ObviousNewbie Posted April 5, 2021 Author #61 Posted April 5, 2021 Hi all, thnx for checking in. Busy times at work, work progressed slowly, but the ads are now finished 🙂 Dryfitted them on the masts, using a small messing pin: Next step, securing the masts and bowsprit, and then rigging begins in earnest.. Question about rigging: Occre's rigging sequence starts with the shrouds and ratlines, and then moving on to stays. Somehow tension-wise that doesn't make sense. Thinking about making the stays, and then proceeding with the shrouds. Also, tension-wise I saw a number of build logs where the stays move forward, starting from the mizzen mast. That makes sense a swell. Any thoughts/comments on this? clearway and Geowolf 2 Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
Baker Posted April 5, 2021 #62 Posted April 5, 2021 Well I'm just getting started on rigging, but this is how I'm planning to do it 1 Schrouds mizzen mast 2 forestay mizzen mast 3 Backstays main mast 4 schrouds main mast 5 forestay main mast 6 Backstays fore mast 7 schrouds fore mast 8 forestay fore mast This is on a 16th century ship, but I think the general order is about the same with your ship ObviousNewbie and Geowolf 2 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
ObviousNewbie Posted April 5, 2021 Author #63 Posted April 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, Backer said: Well I'm just getting started on rigging, but this is how I'm planning to do it 1 Schrouds mizzen mast 2 forestay mizzen mast 3 Backstays main mast 4 schrouds main mast 5 forestay main mast 6 Backstays fore mast 7 schrouds fore mast 8 forestay fore mast This is on a 16th century ship, but I think the general order is about the same with your ship Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
ObviousNewbie Posted April 5, 2021 Author #64 Posted April 5, 2021 Thnx Patrick, makes more sense to work your way forward via the shrouds. Allthough Diana has a backstay on the mizzen mast as well, so I’ll start with that. Thnx again! Baker and clearway 2 Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
ObviousNewbie Posted April 6, 2021 Author #65 Posted April 6, 2021 Quick update, decided to rig the halyards and the slings before securing he masts, as I remembered I had a lot of issues with this on Terror. Noted the reference number of the rope onto some blue paper tape, so I know where to attach it to 🙂 Attached the masts, prepped the backstay for the mizzen mast, when it occurred to me I might as well do the other halyards of the mizzen mast as well. Here's my question: halyards for the mizzen main sails and the mizzen topsail run parallel with the mast, but the mizzen topgalant halyard runs to a belaying pin on starboard. So does this line run in parallel with the mast as well until the lower platform (option A in the very sketchy drawing), or does it go straight to the pinrack (option B)? Thnx for clarifying this for me. Personally, I think option B makes more sense, as there are no friction points possibly damaging the rope. Stay healthy, stay safe. ccoyle and Wahka_est 2 Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
Wahka_est Posted April 6, 2021 #66 Posted April 6, 2021 I would say B. Some photos of stuff i found in 5min search. Hope it helps. NB! Great progress! ObviousNewbie, clearway and maddog33 3 Quote
Baker Posted April 7, 2021 #67 Posted April 7, 2021 I see this too late It is best to turn the blocks 180 ° then it looks like the rope goes around the "disk" in the block Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
DavidG Posted April 7, 2021 #68 Posted April 7, 2021 On 4/5/2021 at 1:45 PM, ObviousNewbie said: Question about rigging: Occre's rigging sequence starts with the shrouds and ratlines, and then moving on to stays. Somehow tension-wise that doesn't make sense. Thinking about making the stays, and then proceeding with the shrouds. Also, tension-wise I saw a number of build logs where the stays move forward, starting from the mizzen mast. That makes sense a swell. Any thoughts/comments on this? rigging the shrouds before stays is the normal practice. If it is done otherwise, the loop of stays around the topmasts gets below the shrouds which would be incorrect, as they have to be over them. I found it is not practical to finally tension the lines until a much later stage. The braces will pull the shrouds after you rig them, and have to adjust anyway. Also note, the Occre rigging plan show the stays tied off on the middle of the masts. In practice, the lines were belayed on the deck or the mas top as below, if you choose to to complicate your life further Baker and ObviousNewbie 2 Quote Past builds: Prins Willem, Amati Coca Current Build: Occre Diana
ObviousNewbie Posted April 19, 2021 Author #69 Posted April 19, 2021 Hi all, thnx for checking in. Small update, rigging is in full swing: Approached the deadeyes in a different way this time, as the results on Terror were not too accurate: too high, too low... With "varying degrees of success": I'm still learning, but the result is better than my first attempt 🙂 Stay healthy! Wahka_est, clearway, Baker and 1 other 4 Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
Wahka_est Posted April 20, 2021 #70 Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) Good progress. Try running the rope trough beeswax so it does not get hairy (or diluted white glue). I found beeswax in "ecological" products shop where they sell a lot of different stuff (food, chemicals etc). Edited April 20, 2021 by Wahka_est Quote
ObviousNewbie Posted April 21, 2021 Author #71 Posted April 21, 2021 Yep, doing that, makes the shipyard smell like I waxed a heap of wooden furniture 🙂 clearway 1 Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
ObviousNewbie Posted April 24, 2021 Author #72 Posted April 24, 2021 Hi all, thnx for checking in. Rigging continues unabated: As I'm not following Occr's instructions, it's a bit chaotic rigging lines while keeping an eye n the tension, but that' part of the fun I guess. Installed the gaff already, as my previous experience with Terror taught me doing these things last is a major hassle: On to the bowsprit, where Occre's instructions are unclear (contrary to their other rigging schemes). Had to improvise and make some creative decisions, but here we are now: One thing remains a mystery: the lines tying the dolphin striker to the main hull. Occre shows them as dissappreaing into the openings on the top of the stem, but doesn't mention where exactly they need to be tied to. The cleats on the deck are for other lines according to the scheme, so I'm left wondering. thinking about tying the two lines to the points next to the cathead. Any ideas? As always, thnx for your help. Wahka_est, Baker and clearway 3 Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
Kyak Posted April 24, 2021 #73 Posted April 24, 2021 Hi, Really nice progress on your model. A question, what did you use to color the masts? I really like it. Gr. Quote Current build: Diana Occre
ObviousNewbie Posted April 24, 2021 Author #74 Posted April 24, 2021 18 minutes ago, Kyak said: Hi, Really nice progress on your model. A question, what did you use to color the masts? I really like it. Gr. Thnx! I used Occre’s Sapelli dye. I was in doubt for a while to use walnut dye but after testing that came out a bit too dark for my taste. Hope this helps! Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
DavidG Posted April 26, 2021 #75 Posted April 26, 2021 Hi Robert, the line you are referring is called a martingale, which counters the upwards pull of the stays, with the help of the dolphin striker, which is a device to increase the angle of the rope to amplify the downward pull. You took me over by your progress as I haven't rigged this lined yet. To be honest, I don't know what would be the current arrangement for the Diana, but a little research shows several options. Petersson shows it is belayed besides the foot of the bowsprit after leading it through a block below the stay collars. While I try to follow this resource, for me it seems impractical given the different proportions of the Diana (and probably the shown example is a later period due to the double arrangement). A well documented build of the Occre Diana exist in a Russian forum (here). On photo 13 the builder tied off the lines on the big timberhead just besides the cathead (if I see well). It seems to be a viable option. The rigging manual of the Caldercraft Victory (available here) instructs, the martingale tied to the knighthead, similar to what the Russian builder did. Another reference might be the Artesania Latina Surprise, with the manual available here. On page 67 the, line seems to be tied to an eye in the hull below the rails. I hope this helps. best, David Quote Past builds: Prins Willem, Amati Coca Current Build: Occre Diana
Casi Posted April 26, 2021 #76 Posted April 26, 2021 Good job, this scale is not easy. 😃 ObviousNewbie 1 Quote
ObviousNewbie Posted April 26, 2021 Author #77 Posted April 26, 2021 David, thank you so much for this. I usually follow the simple rule: "ropes do not touch", so that's how I got to my idea. Thnx for sharing your links and knowledge, I will visit both sites extensively! I'm a bit ahead of you indeed, and if you need any tips from someone who's not on your level of detailing or experience, I'm happy to help. Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
ObviousNewbie Posted April 26, 2021 Author #78 Posted April 26, 2021 8 hours ago, Casi said: Good job, this scale is not easy. 😃 Thnx! Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
ObviousNewbie Posted May 7, 2021 Author #79 Posted May 7, 2021 Hi al, it’s been a while, but I’ve been busy 😊. Thnaks to DavidG, the Martingale mystery was solved: After that, rigging continued with finishing off the shrouds and attacking the ratlines. Complicated as the stays were already in place, so had to work slowly and very carefully. Eventually all lines were up: Then I got to work on the upper shrouds and ratlines: And after that process, the standing rigging was in place, so on to the running rigging: Moving mast by mast, this is my favorite part of the rigging process, as you see the whole ship gain it’s final shape. Following the build logs I use as inspiration, I experimented with some extra details: Not sure why the rope is so fuzzy in the closeup, as these lines are waxed before they’re installed. Diana is shaping up, the final lines and then deciding which lifeboats to use. Then it will be time to solve the biggest problem: where to put her!😁 catopower, Wahka_est, oneslim and 1 other 4 Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
ObviousNewbie Posted June 3, 2021 Author #80 Posted June 3, 2021 Hi all, thnx for checking in. It's been a while, but we're there, Frigate Diana is finished: Quite a challenging build experience as a second ship, but incredibly gratifying. Learned a lot of new stuff, including new techniques from all of you scattered over this forum (and some of my own), tried out and tested a lot more, and built my first scratch build pieces 🙂 The Admiral took a long look and then this happened: Admiral: She's gorgeous, beautiful job! Me: Thnx! Admiral: now you only (!) need to put on the sails. Me: Errmm, no... Admiral: But she's a sailing ship, she needs to have sails! Me: But all my rigging will be hidden! Admiral: yes, but you'll see sails 🙂 In short, we compromised: the next one will have sails 🙂 Thnx to everyone for the help and support in this 10 month build. On to the next one, a bigger challenge still: Single planking, hardly any instructions, walnut planks... What was I thinking? 🙂 I'll cover this in a separate log, for sure. thnx again all, the model shipwright bug has certainly caught! clearway, DonSangria, Dfell and 11 others 13 1 Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
ccoyle Posted June 3, 2021 #81 Posted June 3, 2021 Beautiful! But now I think you need a new username, because you are obviously not a newbie anymore! 😉 clearway, ObviousNewbie and BranPie 3 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, DS Børøysund
ObviousNewbie Posted June 3, 2021 Author #82 Posted June 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, ccoyle said: Beautiful! But now I think you need a new username, because you are obviously not a newbie anymore! 😉 Thnx! Indeed, I'll start thinking about it.... If I can get my head away from the stern of the Bireme 🙂 Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
Baker Posted June 3, 2021 #83 Posted June 3, 2021 Great work. Congrats with this nice model 👍 ObviousNewbie 1 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
Bill Morrison Posted June 3, 2021 #84 Posted June 3, 2021 Obvious, I just found this beautiful build! You did a great job; I am most impressed! I saw that you asked a question on Page 2 about attaching yards to the masts but I never read anyone answering. You should look up "parrels", which differ slightly depending on the nation building the ship. Good luck on your next ship! Bill ObviousNewbie 1 Quote
Wahka_est Posted June 4, 2021 #85 Posted June 4, 2021 Superb job. I dont understand how have you finished them so fast.... Im still in middle.. My admiral also talks about sails..... ObviousNewbie 1 Quote
ObviousNewbie Posted June 4, 2021 Author #86 Posted June 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, Wahka_est said: Superb job. I dont understand how have you finished them so fast.... Im still in middle.. My admiral also talks about sails..... Thnx for you comment, top tip: compromise on the sails 🙂 Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
ObviousNewbie Posted June 4, 2021 Author #87 Posted June 4, 2021 12 hours ago, Bill Morrison said: Obvious, I just found this beautiful build! You did a great job; I am most impressed! I saw that you asked a question on Page 2 about attaching yards to the masts but I never read anyone answering. You should look up "parrels", which differ slightly depending on the nation building the ship. Good luck on your next ship! Bill Thank you for your kind words, got it sorted out with a small messing pin in the mast, worked like a charm 🙂 Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
Baltic_submariner Posted June 5, 2021 #89 Posted June 5, 2021 Hello, your Diana looks awsome and it's very clean builded. I'm building now her cousine Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes in similar manner ( pure wood and no paint ) and your build helped me a lot as they share a lot of parts. Quote Greetings Paul Work in progress: PA-2 (ex Hallebarde) Captured Flower-class corvette 1/144 Revell Completed: Le Renard corsair cutter 1:50 Artesania Latina Polaris schooner conversion OcCre 1:50 San Juan felucca OcCre 1:70 Buccaneer gelleon 1:100 OcCre Chinese pirate junk 1:100 Amati Planned: Montanes OcCre 1:70, Greek Galliot Amati 1:65, Pinta Amati 1:65, Terror OcCre 1:75, Le Coureur Mamoli 1:54
ObviousNewbie Posted June 7, 2021 Author #90 Posted June 7, 2021 On 6/5/2021 at 10:36 PM, Baltic_submariner said: Hello, your Diana looks awsome and it's very clean builded. I'm building now her cousine Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes in similar manner ( pure wood and no paint ) and your build helped me a lot as they share a lot of parts. Thnx for your feedback Paul, if you have any questions with Mercedes, don't hesitate to get in touch, I'll try to help as much as I can with my limited knowledge 🙂 Baltic_submariner 1 Quote "Whatever does not kill you, only makes you stranger." Current build: Finished builds:Calella by Occre - Greek Bireme by Amati - HMS Terror by Occre - Frigate Diana by Occre
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