Glory of the Seas 1869 by rwiederrich - FINISHED - 1/96 - medium clipper

[Glen McGuire]

It's making my neck sore turning my head to study those pictures, but it's well worth it!    Really beautiful work on that whole bowsprit assembly, Rob.

[rwiederrich]

10 minutes ago, Glen McGuire said:

It's making my neck sore turning my head to study those pictures, but it's well worth it!    Really beautiful work on that whole bowsprit assembly, Rob.

I don’t know why my phone keeps doing that.  
 

Rob

[Keith Black]

 Rob, it must be a 'flip' phone. 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 17, 2022 by Keith Black

[Ian_Grant]

I laugh.....HoHo......because I am one of the dinosaurs still carrying around a flip phone. Refuse to get sucked in to "The Matrix" on a smart phone.

[rwiederrich]

I found and ordered the large 18" cleat I have been looking for....that I will be mounting Glory to.   I will machine a groove along the top leading edge of the cleat to house the keel of Glory.  Then the cleat will be painted and detailed and mounted on a fine piece of 100 year old maple.

 

This will be my *Unique* mounting I have devised for displaying Glory in all her glory....(No pun intended)

 

Of course I will take pics of the project as I build it......when the cleat arrives.

 

I'm stoked to have found what I have been searching for, for as long as I have been building her.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Took a few corrected images. 
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Securing down the dingy and long boat. 
 

Rob

Edited March 17, 2022 by rwiederrich

[ClipperFan]

18 hours ago, Ian_Grant said:

I laugh.....HoHo......because I am one of the dinosaurs still carrying around a flip phone. Refuse to get sucked in to "The Matrix" on a smart phone.

Ian Grant, don't worry about being a so-called dinosaur. My flip phone was only replaced when the ability to recharge it failed due to an inability to get the cable to properly set in. Look at the bright side though, without GPS nobody can track you. These smart phones are nowhere near as intelligent as advertised. Although, I must admit my Samsung Galaxy S8 does have a beautiful camera. Pretty soon I'll have to spring for a new one as I've run out of storage, even with the largest capacity sim card too ... I love beautiful pictures....

[rwiederrich]

Stepped the mizzenmast.  
 

Once dry I will clean things up and roughly belay lines out of the way.  
 

Then I’ll probably begin the mainmast rigging off model.  
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob, I'm going to have to refer to a Thesaurus in order to come up with further superlatives to accurately describe my reactions to your breathtaking work on your Glory model! Wow.... just wow. I am constantly blown away by your beautiful work on this simply impressive vessel. Your rigging of the Bowsprit spreader truly reinforces how much more rugged this additional spar would have made the rigging forces supporting the bowsprit, making it far more capable of withstanding stress. I bet Captain Nicholson must have seen that the lack of such a spar was a weakness to be corrected. This is somewhat reinforced by seeing the impressive loftiness of even just the Mizzenmast alone. It's hard to appreciate how tall this mast actually is, since it is so dwarfed by the Mainmast before it. Seeing your model's development with magnificent 1877 photo of "Glory of the Seas" docked at San Francisco behind, I can see why she was so popular in every port she arrived at.

[ClipperFan]

18 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

I found and ordered the large 18" cleat I have been looking for....that I will be mounting Glory to.   I will machine a groove along the top leading edge of the cleat to house the keel of Glory.  Then the cleat will be painted and detailed and mounted on a fine piece of 100 year old maple.

 

This will be my *Unique* mounting I have devised for displaying Glory in all her glory....(No pun intended)

 

Of course I will take pics of the project as I build it......when the cleat arrives.

 

I'm stoked to have found what I have been searching for, for as long as I have been building her.

 

Rob

Rob after having done such exhaustively detailed work to fully realize "Glory of the Seas" in every minute detail, I would think you would want to have every inch of her visible. I suggest mounting her on pedestals on top of the cleat. Carving a slot for her keel to rest in will hide that part of her beautiful Hull. Just my continuing, potentially annoying 2c.

[rwiederrich]

29 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob after having done such exhaustively detailed work to fully realize "Glory of the Seas" in every minute detail, I would think you would want to have every inch of her visible. I suggest mounting her on pedestals on top of the cleat. Carving a slot for her keel to rest in will hide that part of her beautiful Hull. Just my continuing, potentially annoying 2c.

Less then 2/3 of her keel will be resting within the recess of the cleat.  In this way she will be very secure and still presented fully and respectfully.  This contact will occur at the most extreme point of her deadrise and will be less of a distraction then the overall effect the mounting design will convey.

 

We will only be able to really make a definitive evaluation once the cleat base is made and Glory is resting safely within it.

This issue reminds me of the same situation modelers for centuries have struggled with when deciding to add or retract sails from their models.

*They will cover up and hide lots of detail I have put into the model*, is always the fear.  While the opposite is equally true, that, * A sailing ship without sails is like a plane without wings*.

 

The trade off is perceptions.  She has to be mounted.....thus......Do I display her averagely and receive an average wage....or do I display her in the most unique way and profit from both model and mounting?   These are the things that haunt me at night under covers.

 

You have seen all the ways I mount my models...have you not?

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

10 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, I'm going to have to refer to a Thesaurus in order to come up with further superlatives to accurately describe my reactions to your breathtaking work on your Glory model! Wow.... just wow. I am constantly blown away by your beautiful work on this simply impressive vessel. Your rigging of the Bowsprit spreader truly reinforces how much more rugged this additional spar would have made the rigging forces supporting the bowsprit, making it far more capable of withstanding stress. I bet Captain Nicholson must have seen that the lack of such a spar was a weakness to be corrected. This is somewhat reinforced by seeing the impressive loftiness of even just the Mizzenmast alone. It's hard to appreciate how tall this mast actually is, since it is so dwarfed by the Mainmast before it. Seeing your model's development with magnificent 1877 photo of "Glory of the Seas" docked at San Francisco behind, I can see why she was so popular in every port she arrived at.

Your emotional paragraph says it all my friend...thank you.  I have been using hack processes, unorthodox materials and re-engineering others work for my own particular uses for so long that I suppose I have forgotten the impact of the end result.  Its all become second nature to me, I guess.

When you've put your socks on for so many years without anyone noticing (Through The internet), you sometimes forget how impressive putting on your socks can be.

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Less then 2/3 of her keel will be resting within the recess of the cleat.  In this way she will be very secure and still presented fully and respectfully.  This contact will occur at the most extreme point of her deadrise and will be less of a distraction then the overall effect the mounting design will convey.

 

We will only be able to really make a definitive evaluation once the cleat base is made and Glory is resting safely within it.

This issue reminds me of the same situation modelers for centuries have struggled with when deciding to add or retract sails from their models.

*They will cover up and hide lots of detail I have put into the model*, is always the fear.  While the opposite is equally true, that, * A sailing ship without sails is like a plane without wings*.

 

The trade off is perceptions.  She has to be mounted.....thus......Do I display her averagely and receive an average wage....or do I display her in the most unique way and profit from both model and mounting?   These are the things that haunt me at night under covers.

 

You have seen all the ways I mount my models...have you not?

 

Rob

Rob, I have, as best as I can tell. I particularly like the rather large piece of irregular driftwood that acts as a base to your magnificent "Great Republic." My sole concern was for a viewing public to be able to see the entire Hull of Glory. Why not put a lot of leaning stabilizers all along her lower Hull, just like the practice done in a ship's dry dock. Just a suggestion to an alternate approach which would also add interest. Then again, it's your creation and ultimately your choice.

[rwiederrich]

3 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, I have, as best as I can tell. I particularly like the rather large piece of irregular driftwood that acts as a base to your magnificent "Great Republic." My sole concern was for a viewing public to be able to see the entire Hull of Glory. Why not put a lot of leaning stabilizers all along her lower Hull, just like the practice done in a ship's dry dock. Just a suggestion to an alternate approach which would also add interest. Then again, it's your creation and ultimately your choice.

Thanks Rich...actually the wood the GR is resting on is not drift wood, but a particular piece of a knot I cut and milled from a 120 year old maple tree from my yard.  The finished routered base is also from that same tree.

 

I appreciate your views on the subject....we'll have to see what it all looks like to fully make the right call.

 

Here is GR mounted on her milled knot base.

 

 

Rob

Edited March 18, 2022 by rwiederrich

[ClipperFan]

2 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Thanks Rich...actually the wood the GR is resting on is not drift wood, but a particular piece of a knot I cut and milled from a 120 year old maple tree from my yard.  The finished routered base is also from that same tree.

 

I appreciate your views on the subject....we'll have to see what it all looks like to fully make the right call.

 

Here is GR mounted on her milled knot base.

 

 

Rob

Rob, how's that saying go? I "misremembered." What I do remember is how the knot from below being at the extreme Stern gives the vessel an appearance of floating in midair. Definitely a quite unique appearance for a vessel's mount. FYI thanks for the beautiful broadside.

[rwiederrich]

55 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, how's that saying go? I "misremembered." What I do remember is how the knot from below being at the extreme Stern gives the vessel an appearance of floating in midair. Definitely a quite unique appearance for a vessel's mount. FYI thanks for the beautiful broadside.

Yes indeedy…… I used the knot as the cantilever point , resulting in the very effect you pointed out   The model is resting fully on its keel, but the Knaurly wood grained base is “ floating” over its own base board. 
 Delivering a satisfying effect. 
The heavy dense knot counterweights the overextension of the overhung base under the bow of the ship. 
She is well balanced. 
What will I think of next?
 

Rob(A ship mounted on a large cleat)

Edited March 18, 2022 by rwiederrich

[rwiederrich]

Worked a bit on the mizzenmast shrouds. 
 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Its getting busy there isnt IT

[rwiederrich]

19 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Its getting busy there isnt IT

I'll add the ratlines next and then move to the port side and add the shrouds and ratlines there.

 

I'll add the spanker boom and gaff (along with the spanker sail mounted between them).

I want to add them before I add the backstays.

 

Trying to be systematic.......

 

Rob

Edited March 22, 2022 by rwiederrich

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

15 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

I'll add the ratlines next and then move to the port side and add the shrouds and ratlines then.

 

I'll add the spanker boom and gaff (along with the spanker mounted between them).

I want to add them before I add the backstays.

 

Trying to be systematic.......

 

Rob

Respect Rob. Then i Will try to observe and study IT when tied up.  v

 

[ClipperFan]

6 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

I'll add the ratlines next and then move to the port side and add the shrouds and ratlines then.

 

I'll add the spanker boom and gaff (along with the spanker mounted between them).

I want to add them before I add the backstays.

 

Trying to be systematic.......

 

Rob

Rob, your ratlines look sharp. There's one item on the roof of the rear house that you haven't installed yet. Before the rigging makes it more of a challenge, I thought I would remind you. There's an exhaust flu with cap from a stove inside towards the front center of the house just before the catwalk. It appears to be 2 feet tall probably 10" diameter. From Mike's blueprint it appears to be set back 1' from the front wall. With a 3' overhang, that would set it back 4'. I apologize in advance if you already had plans to install this piece.

[rwiederrich]

11 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, your ratlines look sharp. There's one item on the roof of the rear house that you haven't installed yet. Before the rigging makes it more of a challenge, I thought I would remind you. There's an exhaust flu with cap from a stove inside towards the front center of the house just before the catwalk. It appears to be 2 feet tall probably 10" diameter. From Mike's blueprint it appears to be set back 1' from the front wall. With a 3' overhang, that would set it back 4'. I apologize in advance if you already had plans to install this piece.

I haven't forgotten the stove pipe Rich.   It's just that it is sucha simple element I want to tackle the shrouds and ratlines first...since I use that deck space to lay tooling on, while I rig.

 

It's been a few slow days in the shipyard.

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

3 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

I haven't forgotten the stove pipe Rich.   It's just that it is sucha simple element I want to tackle the shrouds and ratlines first...since I use that deck space to lay tooling on, while I rig.

 

It's been a few slow days in the shipyard.

 

Rob

Rob, I kinda figured that was the fact but just in case, I felt it was better to speak up than not. My wife Peggy is constantly impressed with your work. She says her late dad would have loved to have met you. He built a bread & butter Brigantine "Newsboy". Unfortunately he became sick and unable to complete her. I found his blueprint & have all materials to finish. It's a goal of mine to honor the man and complete his work. His father was an actual Nova Scotian Shipwright who worked on Maine Downeasters. 

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, I kinda figured that was the fact but just in case, I felt it was better to speak up than not. My wife Peggy is constantly impressed with your work. She says her late dad would have loved to have met you. He built a bread & butter Brigantine "Newsboy". Unfortunately he became sick and unable to complete her. I found his blueprint & have all materials to finish. It's a goal of mine to honor the man and complete his work. His father was an actual Nova Scotian Shipwright who worked on Maine Downeasters. 

Thank your wife for me...would you?

That is fascinating news about her great great granddad.  Its possible she might be able to scrounge up some info or images..... if at all possible.  (I'm sure you already looked into that).

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Thank your wife for me...would you?

That is fascinating news about her great great granddad.  Its possible she might be able to scrounge up some info or images..... if at all possible.  (I'm sure you already looked into that).

 

Rob

Rob, I know for a fact one such image exists, as Leslie, Peggy's dad pointed it out to me. It was an old photo from the 1800s of a man casually leaning into the Foremast shrouds of a large three masted Maine built Merchant vessel. He proudly told me that this was a picture of his dad in a vessel that he was Foreman of construction for. I'll ask my wife if she might know where it is.

Edited March 22, 2022 by ClipperFan
grammar correction

[BANYAN]

Coming along beautifully Rob; just the stimulus (to watch your work) to get me going again

 

cheers

 

Pat

[rwiederrich]

On 3/21/2022 at 5:29 PM, ClipperFan said:

Rob, your ratlines look sharp. There's one item on the roof of the rear house that you haven't installed yet. Before the rigging makes it more of a challenge, I thought I would remind you. There's an exhaust flu with cap from a stove inside towards the front center of the house just before the catwalk. It appears to be 2 feet tall probably 10" diameter. From Mike's blueprint it appears to be set back 1' from the front wall. With a 3' overhang, that would set it back 4'. I apologize in advance if you already had plans to install this piece.

I have not forgotten Rich. 
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

I spent some time finishing up the starboard rat lines on the shrouds. 
 

Now to rotate the ship and begin on the port side. 
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Before I move to port, I decided to add some deck and hull details that would otherwise be tough to work.  
 

I added the aft scupper hole to run the main mast yard brace purchases through.   I then had to make two sizes of cleats for them and the spanker braces aft of the wheelhouse.  
 

Rob

Edited March 23, 2022 by rwiederrich