HMS Revenge 1577 by GrandpaPhil - 1/64 - CARD - from Victory Models Plans

[GrandpaPhil]

6 hours ago, amateur said:

Hi Phil,

 

I got a message that you answered my post, butvthere is no answer…. Did you delete it?

 

Jan

Jan,

  Sorry about that.  I accidentally deleted my reply earlier when I went to edit it. 
 

I have read all of Doris’s and Ab Hoving’s build logs very carefully.

 

Their work is incredible!

 

I have learned a lot from both of them.

 

I used the vertical planking method on my other card ships.

 

With these plans being originally for a wood kit, I am curious to see what happens if I just plank it normally with card, to build up the 2mm thickness that it is designed for.

 

My card is 1mm and it will be double planked so the numbers work out perfectly.

Plus, the gunport/railing forms are supposed to be 1mm thick.

I’ll put the contact paper on the outside layer prior to cutting and installation.

 

The planking material I have now is for the orlop deck.

 

I want to try and make normal planks, with black on the sides of the planks.

 

The orlop deck won’t be visible anyway so it is an excellent candidate for experimentation.

 

If it pans out well, I’ll do the same on the upper decks as well.

I have the gratings for the orlop deck made and the gratings for the gundeck partially made now.

 

The hatch going down to the orlop deck is made too.

 

I’ll get pictures later.

Edited February 16, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[GrandpaPhil]

The first round of gratings:

The one on the right is for the Orlop deck and still needs painted.

 

The one on the left is for the gun deck leading down into the orlop deck.

[firdajan]

Grandpa Phil:

 

there´s another way to do gratings right. I did it a long time ago, here are pictures at the bottom:

https://papermodelers.sk/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=3380&start=50

 

It´s very easy. Just try it. 

Jan

 

 

[GrandpaPhil]

Thank you very much!  

I will do that for the next round of gratings!

[GrandpaPhil]

Orlop deck with my test run of contact paper covered “planks”:

It will not be visible, so it is a good test run.

 

I will have to prepaint the deck a dark brown next time so I do not have pink and red showing through in the gaps.

 

Once I finish covering the deck, I’ll paint gaps as I can and the rest of the deck dark brown, since I am only planking to the bulkheads, and then seal everything in.

Edited February 17, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[tkay11]

2 hours ago, firdajan said:

 

there´s another way to do gratings right. I did it a long time ago, here are pictures at the bottom:

https://papermodelers.sk/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=3380&start=50

That looks great, @firdajan. Unfortunately I don't seem clever enough to understand how he got the serrated edge to the paper. Sorry to be dumb, but could you explain the process. In this case some words will for me be a thousand times better than the image!

 

Thanks for any assistance,

 

Tony

[GrandpaPhil]

He laid strips of heavy card across card making it look like a ladder.

 

Then he cut lengthwise to make grating strips, the same way you would make them from wood strips.

 

It is an excellent method for making gratings.

 

I already made the ones for the gundeck, but I am going to use Jan’s method for making the rest of them.

 

Edited February 18, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[GrandpaPhil]

The orlop deck is complete:

I have the deck beams for the gundeck drying:

 The gundeck is drying under glass:

And a bowl of parts to include one bulkhead, several filler pieces, the gratings for the gundeck and a hatch:

Time to start prepping the next round of pieces!

[firdajan]

6 hours ago, GrandpaPhil said:

He laid strips of heavy card across card making it look like a ladder.

 

Then he cut lengthwise to make grating strips, the same way you would make them from wood strips.

 

It is an excellent method for making gratings.

 

I already made the ones for the gundeck, but I am going to use Jan’s method for making the rest of them.

 

Exactly 👍

I will add just one information: as you can see, I´m using a graph paper, glued on carton of thickness 1 mm. Then I can chop the strips exactly - and then I can them to glue on the another carton with the graph paper exactly too.

Maybe this link will be more helpfull. This is the same way.

http://modelshipbuilder.com/page.php?128

 

Jan 

Edited February 18, 2023 by firdajan

[tkay11]

Thanks very much for spelling it out, guys! I love these ideas which are so clever in their simplicity.

 

Tony

[GrandpaPhil]

Added deck beams for the gundeck:

The orlop deck is now complete.

[GrandpaPhil]

I ended up cutting out bulkhead 4 and adjusting it to remove hull twist.

 

It is now glued back down.

 

Bulkheads 2 & 3 are now glued down and the gundeck is now in place.

I was right, there will be minimal visibility through the decks, which is okay.

This deck will get planked and get detailed, along with the stern portions of the deck, which are now cut out and laminated.

Edited February 19, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[GrandpaPhil]

The gundeck is painted.  The forward bulkhead is on.  I installed the gratings and the hatch down.  Started “planking” the deck.

The rest of the deck pieces for this level are drying.  They will be drying for the next 24 hours.

 

I am going to be planking the inside of the gundeck bulwarks in the same fashion as @xodar461, whose build log of the Revenge kit I studied extensively, once I get to that point.

 

Here is his build log:

 

 

Continuing on, I squared bulkhead number 1 carefully and glued it down.

 

I will glue the 4 aft bulkheads when I install the deck pieces.

 

I am trying to avoid hull twist and warping.

 

But, for my first multi-deck model, I think that this is going pretty well.

I have bulkheads and deck pieces, that’s a good start.

 

Soon it will be time to begin covering the hull and I will have to decide how I want to do that.

Edited February 20, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[GrandpaPhil]

Test fit on the aft decks.  

They need some trimming, but the test fit is an overall success.

[GrandpaPhil]

I am making progress with planking:

The planking is going kind of slowly.

 

But, it is getting done.

 

All gaps will be properly painted.

 

The weather has been improving so I have been busy working outside.

Edited February 22, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[GrandpaPhil]

The gundeck is planked:

I didn’t plank past the bulkheads because that is going to be planked in.

 

Here is the aft deck:

You will not be able to see much of any of these, but that’s okay.

 

[GrandpaPhil]

Deck planking continues:

The next deck, plus 3 others to use up that sheet of tracing paper:

Lastly, my newest shipyard worker, Tiny Tina, is taking a nap:

She is a broad-breasted white turkey poult.

 

We have a tom turkey poult named Brick as well.

 

They are both about a week and a half old.

[Baker]

41 minutes ago, GrandpaPhil said:

Lastly, my newest shipyard worker, Tiny Tina

So that's how you build your model so fast. Working with subcontractors.
cheating 😉

 

ps,

great work

[GrandpaPhil]

Thank you very much!  The shipyard workers are working wonders!

 

We have made much more progress.

 

I have not taken pictures yet.

 

The gundeck is made, and installed, from stem to stern.

It still needs touched up and sealed, but I have more parts to add, so I think I will take care of everything at once.

 

I have traced out all the parts for the next several pages in the Victory Models instruction book.

I am about 2/3 done cutting them out now.

 

I made the two capstans as part of this.

 

I have the beakhead deck ready to test fit, but I still haven’t cut out and laminated all of the associated pieces.

Edited February 26, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[GrandpaPhil]

Here are some pictures.

 

The gundeck:

Deck piece 42 is just sitting there.

 

A pile of pieces:

Two capstans:

Capstan sitting in place:

This is a good use for leftover giant Valentine’s Day cards.

 

I have used four or five of them now.

 

I have nearly seven left.

Edited February 27, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[allanyed]

On 2/17/2023 at 3:29 PM, GrandpaPhil said:

 will do that for the next round of gratings!

Hi Philip

Keep in mind the gratings should never end with open spots against the head edges or coaming pieces.  Sketch below might help.  You can buy bundles of 1/32"X1/32" basswood strips pretty cheaply that will be close to your scale and each piece will be the same width and depth versus a different size for each strip.

 

Allan

 

 

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by allanyed

[firdajan]

Hi everyone.

 

Correct or incorrect ?

Just find it on the net - different ship, different gratings. Just look for gratings of Victory, Batavia, Vasa... there are still different solutions.

Another shipbuilder, another solution.  And mainly in the 16 th and at he beginning of the 17 th century, when everything was changing.

 

Jan

[allanyed]

6 hours ago, firdajan said:

different ship, different gratings.

Hi Jan,

I agree with you there are often differences in many things on these vessels with era, nationality, etc. but from what I could find the gratings are similar in construction as well as the sizing of battens, ledges and openings    I doubt the battens and ledges were ever a made of different size pieces with open ends.  I may completely wrong about this so would love to see contemporary information to the contrary.  ALWAYS happy to learn something new. 😀

Allan

 

[Baker]

The only grating from the 17th century that "remains" is probably that of the Swedish (Dutch built) Vasa.
I think you see in the photo a combination of what @allanyed represents.
16th and early 17th century grating is varied. What it looked like later in the Victory era, no idea.

 

And if you want to play it safe, hathes and no grating 😉

 

 

[GrandpaPhil]

Thank you all very much for the information!

 

I greatly appreciate it!

 

I really like the method of making gratings that Jan demonstrated on his card modeling forum (Thank you again for showing me that).  

I am going to try it out when I make the gratings for the main decks.

 

They will look better than my last gratings.

 

I will arrange to have the solid bars around the edges of the gratings.

 

While we’re discussing 16th century tech, does anyone know anything about late 16th century artillery, and gun carriages in particular?

Edited March 3, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[Baker]

5 hours ago, GrandpaPhil said:

While we’re discussing 16th century tech, does anyone know anything about late 16th century artillery, and gun carriages in particular?

 

Some links

 

https://www.academia.edu/3245770/The_Development_and_Design_of_Bronze_Ordnance_Sixteenth_through_Nineteenth_Centuries

 

https://www.academia.edu/20120786/The_Arming_of_Late_16th_century_Merchantmen._A_Masters_Thesis_from_the_Maritime_Archaeology_Programme_University_of_Southern_Denmark

 

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/4268442.pdf

 

And If you have Peter Kirsch's book Galleon. It also contains a lot of information

 

[GrandpaPhil]

Thank you very much for the information!

 

The bow deck is on!

Making progress!

[GrandpaPhil]

Some deck support beams:

[GrandpaPhil]

Making progress:

I made a fillet of thumb when my scalpel slipped while trimming the transom.

I made balsa alignment pins for a couple beams:

Time to trace some more parts and then get ready to make a ladder.

[Knocklouder]

Hope your thumb is OK,  the ship is looking great.