oakheart Posted January 5 Author Share #121 Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, iMustBeCrazy said: This gives a fairly clear example: Thanks Craig @iMustBeCrazy that as you say gives a clear example, what a fantastic resource RMG is. so now I have a couple of names, channel is the block of wood, chainplate is the metal strip. Is that correct? Now I am thinking I will make mine like this, with a planted strip on the outside. Tim mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMustBeCrazy Posted January 5 Share #122 Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, oakheart said: channel is the block of wood, chainplate is the metal strip. Is that correct? Lets just say the chainplate is metal, it can be a flat bar, a few flat bars, a chain, a really long chain link or a combination. oakheart and mtaylor 2 Quote Craig. I do know, that I don't know, a whole lot more, than I do know. Current Build: 1:16 Bounty Launch Scratch build. 1:16 Kitty -18 Foot Racing Sloop 1:50 Le Renard HM Cutter Lapwing 1816 Lapwing Drawings Completed....: 1:16 16' Cutter Scratch build. Discussion....: Bounty Boats Facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 5 Author Share #123 Posted January 5 here is yet another revision of the chains mockup I have tried to incorporate the advice you have all given. Tim CiscoH, GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMustBeCrazy Posted January 5 Share #124 Posted January 5 (edited) Found one. And the channel should follow the deck and or wale. That is, lower forward. Edited January 5 by iMustBeCrazy CiscoH, GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Craig. I do know, that I don't know, a whole lot more, than I do know. Current Build: 1:16 Bounty Launch Scratch build. 1:16 Kitty -18 Foot Racing Sloop 1:50 Le Renard HM Cutter Lapwing 1816 Lapwing Drawings Completed....: 1:16 16' Cutter Scratch build. Discussion....: Bounty Boats Facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted January 5 Share #125 Posted January 5 Spacing looks realistic now, Tim! But observe the line of the channel. It should follow that of the outside planking. mtaylor and oakheart 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 6 Share #126 Posted January 6 Tim, If you haven't this book, it's worth consiidering. There are some errors but it' does provide a good overview. zu Mondeld's Historic Ship Models. Online sources are pretty varied as to content and explanations but zu Mondfeld will get you started. oakheart 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 6 Author Share #127 Posted January 6 11 hours ago, iMustBeCrazy said: And the channel should follow the deck and or wale. That is, lower forward Another thing I was not really aware of. iMustBeCrazy 1 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 6 Author Share #128 Posted January 6 8 hours ago, mtaylor said: zu Mondeld's Historic Ship Models. Thanks Mark @mtaylor, I happen to have purchased a copy from the famous Booths bookshop in Hay-on-Wye last summer. I often go there as it's only 40 mins down the road. I paid £5 which was a bargain looking at the prices online. Now I have some non fiction bedtime reading. Tim mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 6 Author Share #129 Posted January 6 10 hours ago, druxey said: Spacing looks realistic now Thanks @druxey and I will make sure to follow the line of planking. Tim Paul Le Wol and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 7 Author Share #130 Posted January 7 Managed to get some good work done over the last two days. working from Bills booklet Bulwarks lined, spirketting in place on both sides now I need to cut away the gun ports, line them and add the waterway fillet Tim Paul Le Wol, mtaylor, Mirabell61 and 2 others 5 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMustBeCrazy Posted January 7 Share #131 Posted January 7 Probably too late but the sides of the ports are perpendicular to the keel and the top and bottom are parallel to the deck. mtaylor 1 Quote Craig. I do know, that I don't know, a whole lot more, than I do know. Current Build: 1:16 Bounty Launch Scratch build. 1:16 Kitty -18 Foot Racing Sloop 1:50 Le Renard HM Cutter Lapwing 1816 Lapwing Drawings Completed....: 1:16 16' Cutter Scratch build. Discussion....: Bounty Boats Facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 8 Author Share #132 Posted January 8 (edited) 9 hours ago, iMustBeCrazy said: the sides of the ports are perpendicular to the keel and the top and bottom are parallel to the deck. Hi Craig @iMustBeCrazy Not sure which you mean here? I have got it wrong or they are correct? I did make them as per the drawings ( yes I know they are in the wrong place 😞 ) and they are trapezoid in shape. It could be the angle of the photo. You can see it better in the photo in post #123 On a different topic Seeing it coming together I do think that the all pale wood is a bit too bland and needs some variation, so I need to do staining. as was discussed earlier. Tim Edited January 8 by oakheart mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMustBeCrazy Posted January 8 Share #133 Posted January 8 53 minutes ago, oakheart said: I have got it wrong or they are correct? Just one of those learning things. With photos of curved surfaces it isn't easy to tell so it was just a caution. basically, the sill is the same distance above and parallel to the deck, the head is the same and the jams (sides) are perpendicular to the keel. This does often give trapezoidal ports. 1 hour ago, oakheart said: Seeing it coming together I do think that the all pale wood is a bit too bland and needs some variation, so I need to do staining. as was discussed earlier. Do some tests and on the model, start lighter. You can darken it with another coat if needed. oakheart, mtaylor and CiscoH 3 Quote Craig. I do know, that I don't know, a whole lot more, than I do know. Current Build: 1:16 Bounty Launch Scratch build. 1:16 Kitty -18 Foot Racing Sloop 1:50 Le Renard HM Cutter Lapwing 1816 Lapwing Drawings Completed....: 1:16 16' Cutter Scratch build. Discussion....: Bounty Boats Facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 8 Author Share #134 Posted January 8 1 minute ago, iMustBeCrazy said: Just one of those learning things. I have still got plenty of those to go.................. Your drawing show it really well, I was not clear before, but looking at the drawing it I am now. thanks. mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMustBeCrazy Posted January 8 Share #135 Posted January 8 Just now, oakheart said: but looking at the drawing a thousand words, I wonder who first said that. oakheart and mtaylor 2 Quote Craig. I do know, that I don't know, a whole lot more, than I do know. Current Build: 1:16 Bounty Launch Scratch build. 1:16 Kitty -18 Foot Racing Sloop 1:50 Le Renard HM Cutter Lapwing 1816 Lapwing Drawings Completed....: 1:16 16' Cutter Scratch build. Discussion....: Bounty Boats Facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 8 Author Share #136 Posted January 8 4 minutes ago, iMustBeCrazy said: start lighter. You can darken it with another coat if needed Thank Craig @iMustBeCrazy That's good advice, I will need to mask the deck as I am happy with that. Will test on scraps first. Tim mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 8 Author Share #137 Posted January 8 Mixed up some NotWOP 50% varnish, 50% stain, it gave a nice milk like liquid. tested it some some scraps, seems to work..................... Masked up the hull, then I bit the bullet, it was a bit of a pucker few minutes. Here is a profile view of it drying, I guess it will change tone as it dries but I am pretty pleased with the result. View of the stem end Now I'm going to sit down and have a cup of tea, or maybe something stronger 🙂 Tim mtaylor, Thukydides, Mirabell61 and 3 others 6 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted January 8 Share #138 Posted January 8 (edited) beautiful build Tim Nils Edited January 8 by Mirabell61 oakheart and mtaylor 2 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 8 Author Share #139 Posted January 8 16 minutes ago, Mirabell61 said: beautiful build Tim Thank you so much. It is difficult sometimes to keep up the enthusiasm but a few encouraging words help a lot. mtaylor and Mirabell61 2 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 8 Author Share #140 Posted January 8 @Mirabell61 I just had a quick look at your Pegasus build, it's fantastic, that is the kind build I aspire too. I would love to do a cutaway ship like yours, but I feel I still have a lot to learn. Tim Mirabell61 and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 8 Author Share #141 Posted January 8 The hull is now dry, so here it is unmasked I think that the wale needs to be a lot darker than it is. The fashion piece ( when fitted ) should be the same tone as the wale thanks everyone for the likes Tim mtaylor, CiscoH, Thukydides and 1 other 4 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted January 8 Share #142 Posted January 8 Thanks Tim, I wish you a lucky hand for your next cutaway ship project In my hobby office there is the Pegasus on a shelf and my grandchildren love to look into the model which is in head hight in a glass-case (dust protection) Nils mtaylor and oakheart 2 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted January 8 Share #143 Posted January 8 There may be a terminology issue: the fashion piece is part of the framing at the stern, under the planking. Perhaps you meant the quarter piece. That attaches aft over the planking above the wale. oakheart and mtaylor 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 8 Author Share #144 Posted January 8 Looking closely at the planking I can see that the water based WOP ( NotWOP ) has raised the grain but only where I had not sanded down enough. The finish had looked really good but scratches left by coarser grits are now showing as raised lines. Does real WOP do this as well? Tim mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 8 Author Share #145 Posted January 8 (edited) 35 minutes ago, druxey said: There may be a terminology issue Thanks @druxey I think you are right there does seem to be different usages of the term 'fashion piece', I am still learning so just use what I see used here on MSW. Chuck Passaro used the term on his speedwell build, in that instance it was a carved piece, I just assumed it would also apply to a simple uncarved piece applied in the same place. As I said before, there is so much to learn. Tim Edited January 8 by oakheart mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted January 8 Share #146 Posted January 8 I believe this has beem referred to as a fashion piece on Cheerful. mtaylor and oakheart 2 Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake (Scratch From MS Plans On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 8 Author Share #147 Posted January 8 51 minutes ago, Gregory said: I believe this has been referred to as a fashion piece on Cheerful. I knew I had seen it some other place as well, thanks @Gregory Tim mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 8 Author Share #148 Posted January 8 I can't resist playing, placed a few bits on deck just to start to get a feel for how it could look off for a snooze now Tim davyboy, CiscoH, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 10 Author Share #149 Posted January 10 Got a good amount done today. Darkened the wale and added the rail under the gunports, don't know what it's called. made the quarter piece or fashion piece, I made it in two parts as the test I did did not bend well amazing how the photos highlight all of the bad parts as well as the good I am enjoying having got this far and it does not look too shabby, especially as this is only my second single plank on bulkhead scratch build. thanks for all of the likes and help / encouragement you have all given me. Tim ccoyle, iMustBeCrazy, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted January 11 Author Share #150 Posted January 11 Now I need to do the opposite side, the cap rail on the transom, then it's onto making and fitting the details. I will need to keep referring back to thunders @Thunder build for guidance. Chucks @Chuck Cheerful is also similar enough to be a great help here. Does anyone keep a list of what needs to be done next? Tim mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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