Malazan Posted December 30, 2023 Share #1 Posted December 30, 2023 Are cross sections a good way to gain experience and gain building skills? No Idea and mtaylor 2 Quote John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacquesCousteau Posted December 30, 2023 Share #2 Posted December 30, 2023 In my limited experience, yes, especially if you're interested in trying plank-on-frame construction. They're also excellent if you have limited space. mtaylor 1 Quote Kits: Model Shipways Dory (1:24) - Finished NRG Half-Hull Planking Kit (1:48) - In-progress Midwest Maine Peapod (1:14) - In-progress Scratch Builds: Xochimilco Trajinera (1:32) - Finished Lake Chapala Canoa de Rancho (1:32) - In-progress Juana y José Cross Section (1:32) - Finished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Idea Posted December 30, 2023 Share #3 Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Malazan said: Are cross sections a good way to gain experience and gain building skills? Without a doubt yes they are but it does depend on your previous experience. Before I started building my current and first plank on frame ship I seriously considered a cross section first. The reason I personally chose the ship was because I knew deep down I would prefer the final outcome of a complete ship. I also thought that if I thought I was capable of building a cross section - well I could probably build the whole ship. I was seriously mistaken as the commitment is so much more as is the learning curve. I will say though that the experience for me has been amazing and I would not change my personal journey. So - If you don't feel that a complete ship is for you yet then this is a fantastic way to test the waters of scratch building and learn loads along the way. It also requires far less capital to get it done too. Malazan, mtaylor and JacquesCousteau 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 30, 2023 Share #4 Posted December 30, 2023 I agree with the others that a cross-section is a great entry to scratch building. You might have a look at the Triton group build as there is a cross-section model. Here's a link: https://modelshipworld.com/forum/89-cross-section-build-logs-for-hms-triton/ Malazan and scrubbyj427 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share #5 Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) I was looking at this one COREL HMS VICTORY CROSS SECTION 1:98. It seems to have a little bit of everything including some rigging work. Or maybe one of these MAMOLI USS CONSTITUTION CROSS SECTION 1:93 OCCRE SANTISIMA TRINIDAD CROSS SECTION 1:90 SCALE MODEL SHIP KIT Edited December 31, 2023 by Malazan catopower and mtaylor 2 Quote John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted December 31, 2023 Share #6 Posted December 31, 2023 If you're looking to develop your scratch building skills then a cross-section is a great introduction. You may wish to check out the Echo. The plans and building instructions are available for free from our Admiralty Models website https://admiraltymodels.homestead.com/Tips.html. There are also several builds on this site if you do a search for "Echo". Triton is another good choice (as suggested above). A scroll saw and the ability to thickness your own wood would be useful for a scratch build. Otherwise there are some interesting x-section kits on the market. Alaskan yellow cedar is a much less expensive alternative to boxwood and easy to work with. VTHokiEE, Malazan, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidG Posted January 9 Share #7 Posted January 9 if you look for kits, the new Artesania Latina Victory section is probably the best one on the market now. Artesania Latina, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Past builds: Prins Willem, Amati Coca Current Build: Occre Diana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK1 Posted January 17 Share #8 Posted January 17 Funnily enough, I've decided to do cross-sections after doing full models. So I'm a bit backwards (or maybe upside-down, being from Australia) 🙃. But as others said, they are a great way to learn a lot of the techniques. I see a lot of new builders struggle with planking a full ship (especially a bluff bow), and getting it right (fairing, tapering, spacing, etc) can be daunting - and take a lot of time. With a cross-section, you get onto making fittings, doing masts, and rigging quicker - so a little bit of everything you may do in a full model. Plus not being retired yet, and doing other types of models, it takes me years to do a full ship. Also, my wife was sick of them being everywhere - they take up a fair bit of shelf space! So, cross-sections should be quicker, some of the kits out there are good, and they offer a great intro to scratch-building as said above. Plus I can display a few in the same space as a full ship. I'm working on the Modelers Shipyard HMS Sirius at present - here's the build log: Like any kit, it's not perfect and can do with some improvement - again a god way to get into modifying and scratch-building some components. I have the Hatchett (? part-series with books) sections for Victory and Endeavour, and a few scratch ones planned. I have the AL San Francisco but I'd avoid it, see the build logs on here - hull frames are weirdly thick, ladders don't fit, etc. So will be a lot of work to make it presentable. The OcCre ST looks good. I'll probably do the Model Shipways Constitution rather than the Mamoli one, as it's slightly larger. With the Anatomy of the Ship books you can do a good job of scratchbuilding the ships they cover. Dive in and give one a go - and do a build log 🙂. Darren mtaylor 1 Quote Current Projects: 1/48 HMS Sirius cross-section by Modeler's Shipyard 1/72 HMS Vanguard cross section based on Victory Models full kit (researching) Projects Awaiting Start: 1/48 HMS Endeavour cross-section (DeAgnosti) 1/72 HMS Victory cross-section (DeAgnosti) 1/24 Armed Longboat & English Pinnace (Model Shipways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted January 17 Share #9 Posted January 17 (edited) In vase you want something different: kolderstok is about to launch a cross section of a Dutch Pinas. I have seen the prototype (in real life, not just a pic), and it’s really nice one. https://kolderstok.com/blogs/nieuws Perhaps @*Hans* can tell us when it will be released Jan Edited January 17 by amateur JpR62 and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco_van_H Posted January 31 Share #10 Posted January 31 (edited) On 1/17/2024 at 10:40 AM, amateur said: In vase you want something different: kolderstok is about to launch a cross section of a Dutch Pinas. I have seen the prototype (in real life, not just a pic), and it’s really nice one. https://kolderstok.com/blogs/nieuws Perhaps @*Hans* can tell us when it will be released Jan It is available, I have mine at home already. It looks good. https://kolderstok.com/products/test?variant=48902049366342 Edited January 31 by Marco_van_H Picture added amateur, JpR62, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomculb Posted February 6 Share #11 Posted February 6 About a year ago, I finished my build of Model Shipways USS Constitution cross section. A link to my blog is in my signature block below. I found it to be a lot of fun and a bit challenging at times. No question planking a cross section hull is pretty simple (unless it is a cross section of the bow), but the rest of the build provided lots of varied opportunities to learn. The mast and rigging (especially rigging) took me the better part of a year to complete (but I'm not a speedy builder). All of my builds have been (and always will be) great learning experiences, and my Connie was no exception. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Tom ________________________________________________________________________________________ Current build:: Shackleton's Endurance -- OcCre Completed: USS Constitution cross section -- Model Shipways Peterboro Canoe -- Midwest Models Bluenose -- Artesania Latina Joshua Slocumb’s Spray -- BlueJacket J Boat Endeavor -- Amati Other Wright Flyer -- Model Airways Yacht America -- Model Shipways Brig Niagara -- Model Shipways Sopwith Camel -- Hasegawa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted February 25 Share #12 Posted February 25 On 1/31/2024 at 1:11 PM, Marco_van_H said: It is available, I have mine at home already. It looks good. https://kolderstok.com/products/test?variant=48902049366342 A little bit late from my side, but yes, it is available! mtaylor, JpR62 and rcweir 3 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Mostowicz Posted March 2 Share #13 Posted March 2 Stay away from the Mamoli Constitution cross section - it's missing the orlop deck! One of the guys in my club is building it and he had a heck of a time fitting it in. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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