Nica21 Posted March 18 Share #1 Posted March 18 Hi All, Nic here from Leicester. I understand this is a familiar story....Ive recently inherited a model ship built from scratch by my grandfather, at least half built. He never completed it after doing the majority of the hull it seems. No idea what to do with it but I am a keen amateur woodworker albeit not a modeller. I am considering taking up the hobby to complete this fine model he's started although if someone else fancied it that would be equally fine. First of all I need to work out what ship it is. My googling has not yielded anything except clarity its not the Mary Rose to my mothers surprise. He was a member of the many Rose society so I think it was assumed to be that ship early on. Is anyone able to advise what ship it is or offer any suggestions/advice on what to do next with it! maybe tips how to start this interesting hobby. Many thanks, Nic Jack12477, Baker, davec and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 18 Share #2 Posted March 18 Welcome to MSW, Nic. There's some very nice work there on that model. As to which ship... I take it no plans, notes or anything else related found? This may be hard to sort out. It looks familiar, probably late 1700's and English I'd guess. I hope someone else will recognize it. Keith Black 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcNS Posted March 18 Share #3 Posted March 18 It’s a beautiful ship. You may want to reach out to Chris Watton of Vanguard Models, he has designed a wide range of ships from this era so, assuming it’s not one of his, he may recognize it. He is a member on this site so you may be able to contact him through one of his posts or on line through his website. Good luck Marc Nica21, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 19 Share #4 Posted March 19 Hi, Nic. Your grandfather obviously had some skill at making models. It looks like it may be HMS Prince 1670. An Italian kit manufacturer, Aeropiccola, once made a kit of her, and I have seen at least one example of someone building a scratch model from the kit's plans. The bad news for any new modeler is that this particular ship is one of the most challenging subjects a modeler could choose. In addition to the copious amounts of rigging (which could be omitted if the modeler chose to build a hull model, i.e., no rigging), Prince sported an incredibly lavish suite of carved ornamentation. It's not my intention to scare you off your project, but I think you'd want to know just what kind of challenge you would be taking on. http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/misc/sail/HMSPrince-144-mda/index.htm Cheers! mtaylor, Nica21 and Keith Black 3 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted March 19 Share #5 Posted March 19 Nic, first off, welcome to MSW. As you're not a modeler my suggestion is to leave it as is unless you're willing to spend the next 5 to 7 years gaining the necessary skills to undertake completing your grandfather's model. Though incomplete, it's a beautiful model as is and it would be a shame to sell it and have it leave the family. In our throwaway society of today very little from the lives of our deceased family members gets passed down. Now, if you've got the itch to start model ship building, please speak up and you'll be directed on which first builds you should attempt and what tools you'll need to start with. Wood ship modeling is a deep deep rabbit hole and it takes years of commitment to reach a point where one starts to think they're finally getting it. I'm not trying to put you off by any means, I'm merely trying to share with you the reality of the situation. Don't be fooled by the little devil sitting on your shoulder whispering, "how hard can it be". Whatever direction you go, the very best to you. Glad to have you aboard. Keith Nica21, Jaager and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64Pacific Posted March 19 Share #6 Posted March 19 Welcome, and that is a great looking model! The HMS Prince looks like an intimidating ship, both to have seen on the seas all those years ago and to model, wow. Keith Black, mtaylor and Nica21 3 Quote Scott - British Columbia, Canada. Current build: Malaspina Straits - Plastic tug scratch build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nica21 Posted March 19 Author Share #7 Posted March 19 Thanks everyone for your kind words about the model. I know my grandfather was incredibly particular about it never settling for less than perfection. Potentially to the point of not enjoying it unfortunately. I guess he must have built previous boats to achieve this skill level that are no longer around, at least to the remaining families knowledge. Based on pictures it does seem to be the HMS Prince. If so the amount of decoration and details are certainly overwhelming. It would appear that the hull is not in any way complete, merely just finished the foundational work!! So much gold and Rigging !! Keith mentioned selling it. It is not the intention however I'm surprised to even think there is a market for partially built models. Surely completing one from scratch is the preferred route for such a complex and time consuming craft? A couple of you mentioned slightly easier routes to get into the hobby. Are there resources on what this would entail that I could be pointed to? Thanks, Nic mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 19 Share #8 Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, Nica21 said: A couple of you mentioned slightly easier routes to get into the hobby. Are there resources on what this would entail that I could be pointed to? We live in a Golden Age of beginner-level wood kits. It's a great idea to start with one of the many simple rowed craft or small sailing boats that are available. One of the best lines was produced by Midwest Products -- you can still find the original kits on eBay. The Midwest Products boats are now made by Model Shipways here in the States and are available from Model Expo (ME). ME also makes a series of progressively more challenging beginner kits called the Shipwright Series. In the UK, Vanguard Models makes a line of small fishing vessels specifically designed with beginners in mind. To get a good overview of the process of building a wooden model, check out the classic book on the subject Ship Modeling Simplified by Frank Mastini -- it's easy to find, inexpensive, and a good read. Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted March 19 Share #9 Posted March 19 Welcome! mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted March 19 Share #10 Posted March 19 (edited) 4 hours ago, Nica21 said: Keith mentioned selling it Nic, I mentioned NOT selling it. I only brought up not selling it because of your comment "although if someone else fancied it that would be equally fine" which made me think you were considering selling it. As I said, it would be a shame if it got away from your family. I don't think you need a display case for the model unless there are wee hands and rambunctious animals about. It could easily be dusted with one and two inch soft bristle paint brushes. Edited March 20 by Keith Black mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wawona59 Posted March 20 Share #11 Posted March 20 Welcome to Model Ship World Nic. What a beautiful model ship. It would be a shame not to keep this model in the family and hand it down to future generations. My suggestion is to finish it as a hull model sans full masts, and rigging (although that would be impressive). This would be a HUGE undertaking for someone with no ship modeling experience but may be done with persistence. Based on my experience here on MSW I'm sure there may be some ship modelers in the UK who might be willing to finish it for you or guide you to finishing it yourself. You should be able to finish the work since you have previous woodworking experience. Finishing it yourself as your skills develop will add to the legacy of this model as it is passed down within your family. I wish you al the best with this amazing project. Welcome Aboard! Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Wawona 59 John Next Project: Gifts for friends: 18th Century Pinnace, Kayak 17, Kayak 21 Indefinite Hold for the future: 1/96 Flying Fish, Model Shipways Wish list for "Seattle Connection" builds: 1/96 Lumber Schooner Wawona, 1/32 Hydroplane Slo-Mo-Shun IV, 1/96 Arthur Foss tug, 1/64 Duwamish cedar dugout canoe, 1/96 Downeaster "St. Paul" Selected Previous Completed Builds: Revell - 1/96 Thermopylae; Revell - 1/96 Cutty Sark, Revell - 1/96 Constitution, Aurora - Whaling Bark Wanderer, Model Shipways - 1/96 Phantom, AL - 1805 Pilot Boat Swift, Midwest - Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Monitor and Merrimac, Model Trailways - Doctor's Buggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Idea Posted March 20 Share #12 Posted March 20 Hi Nic and welcome - thanks for showing your grandfathers build that really is a lovely ship. If you would like to get into ship building get in touch with @chris watton as he supplies the most beautiful kits. He's based not far from you in Gloucester Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolmaker Posted March 20 Share #13 Posted March 20 Hey Nic, Don’t be taken in by that fella above called No Idea, he does have an idea. I would concur with him and go for a Vanguard models kit. In a large part because they are in the UK and if you have any issues they are not far away. My current builds are from USA sourced suppliers but I got a couple of Vanguard kits under my belt first. I would suggest this kit to test your mettle; https://vanguardmodels.co.uk/product/fifie-lady-eleanor/ The hull shape gives you the best chance of success at this early stage and you can probably buy the kit and all the tools and paints required for under £200 quid. If you go for it and need advice along the way, just shout out. it was my first dabble at wooden boats and I have lots of photo’s etc Good luck bud Paul mtaylor, Keith Black and No Idea 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snug Harbor Johnny Posted March 20 Share #14 Posted March 20 If you don't mind my two cents worth, the quality of work on the model you inherited is high - and it has the appearance (with little more to do) of an Admiralty Model. Adding gun ports lids (hinge kits are available from Syren) could be done. Not sure, but you might fashion basic wooden gun mounts (no detailing required) to hold cannon barrels or half-barrels that could be put into the side gunports from the outside with long tweezers. A dab of wood glue before positioning, when cured, would hold them well enough. Add channels with just the lower deadeyes with chainplate, a stub mainmast and bowsprit, detailed guns for the weather deck and a few other finishing details ... and you'd have something impressive to make a case for. Or, simply encase the models as-is. mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote Completed builds: Khufu Solar Barge - 1:72 Woody Joe Current project(s): Gorch Fock restoration 1:100, Billing Wasa (bust) - 1:100 Billings, Great Harry (bust) 1:88 ex. Sergal 1:65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knocklouder Posted March 22 Share #15 Posted March 22 Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Start so you can Finish !! Finished: The Sea of Galilee Boat-Scott Miller-1:20 , Amati } Hannah Ship in a Bottle:Santa Maria : LA Pinta : La Nana : The Mayflower : Viking Ship Drakkar The King Of the Mississippi Artesania Latina 1:80 Current Build: Royal Yacht, Duchess of Kingston-Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerome Posted March 22 Share #16 Posted March 22 Nic, Something you may want to consider is mounting the model as is, under a glass coffee table or such. I’ve seen models mounted like this. This way you can display it, it will stay somewhat clean and you have no model building to do. mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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