Jim Lad Posted June 17 Author #241 Posted June 17 Thanks for the positive feedback on the sails, Keith. It really helps! Thanks Paul: I think you're right, but I'm afraid I would really like to see her finished and in a proper display case. Visitors keep saying I must have amazing patience, but sometimes I wonder. 🙂 And a warm thankyou to all those who have attached 'likes'! John Paul Le Wol, FriedClams, Mirabell61 and 1 other 4
SaltyScot Posted June 18 #242 Posted June 18 She inspires me anew, John. Sometimes it's the journey and not the destination that is important. I am certainly enjoying this one. Keith Black and FriedClams 2 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Jim Lad Posted June 18 Author #243 Posted June 18 Thanks for your encouragement, Mark! John Keith Black and FriedClams 2
Mirabell61 Posted June 21 #244 Posted June 21 a beautiful piece of work John, it reminds me of back of the course when my "Pamir" was under progress ( rigging and sails) at that stage as yourè doing.... Nils FriedClams and Keith Black 2 Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
Jim Lad Posted June 21 Author #245 Posted June 21 Thanks Nils. I'm finding that the rigging of a four master just seems to go on for ever! 🙂 John Keith Black, Dr PR, FriedClams and 1 other 4
Jim Lad Posted July 5 Author #246 Posted July 5 Another update. The 'Duchess' continues to grow sails. First two on the mizzen mast. The cro'jack is rigged, the lower topsail merely crossed at this stage, but at least she looks a little more balanced with sails on all three of the forward masts. John Ian_Grant, JerryTodd, woodartist and 19 others 22
Keith Black Posted July 5 #247 Posted July 5 She becomes more impressive with each new post, John. Very nice. SaltyScot, FriedClams and Paul Le Wol 3 Current Builds: Mosquito Fleet Mystery Sternwheeler Sternwheeler from the Susquehanna River's Hard Coal Navy Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
Paul Le Wol Posted July 5 #248 Posted July 5 John, she must be really something to see in person. FriedClams and Keith Black 2 Best Regards……..Paul ‘Current Build SS Wapama - Scratch Completed Builds North Carolina Oyster Sharpie - Scratch. - Glad Tidings Model Shipways. - Nordland Boat. Billing Boats . - HM Cutter Cheerful-1806 Syren Ship Model Company.
Jim Lad Posted July 5 Author #249 Posted July 5 Thank you for your kind comments, gentlemen. John Keith Black 1
FriedClams Posted July 6 #250 Posted July 6 She looks so very good, John! That last photo really made me smile - a four masted barque in the foreground with the Spirt of Australia in the background. Quite the contrast. Gary Paul Le Wol and Keith Black 2 Current Build Pelican Eastern-Rig Dragger Completed Scratch Builds Rangeley Guide Boat New England Stonington Dragger 1940 Auto Repair Shop Mack FK Shadowbox
Jim Lad Posted July 6 Author #251 Posted July 6 Thanks, Gary. As she's in the museum gallery I'm a bit limited as to what background I can choose for my photos. John FriedClams and Keith Black 2
SaltyScot Posted July 12 #252 Posted July 12 Absolutely impressive work, John. A joy to behold for sure, and who gives a hoot about the background (shouldn't be looking at it anyway with this beauty in front of you!) Keith Black 1 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Jim Lad Posted July 12 Author #254 Posted July 12 Another small update. The mizzen upper topsail is now rigged (apart from the halliard), so only 3 more square sails to go and then the 3 sails on the jigger. Of course, there's still a mass of work to do on he after all the sails are on, but at least she'll look more or less like a complete ship then. This will probably be the last update for some time. We're off on holiday next week and then I'm up for daily medical treatment for some time after that so that will stop me getting to the museum for a while. John petervisser, Siggi52, Elia and 9 others 12
Keith Black Posted July 12 #255 Posted July 12 john, a nice update before you head off on holiday. I pray your medical treatment is successful, get back to us when you're able. Take care. FriedClams and Paul Le Wol 2 Current Builds: Mosquito Fleet Mystery Sternwheeler Sternwheeler from the Susquehanna River's Hard Coal Navy Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
BANYAN Posted July 13 #256 Posted July 13 Enjoy the holiday John. You've done a great job with the restoration. So many people will now see her (if not yet complete) in a whole new light but not understand/know the hours of effort put into her. cheers Pat FriedClams and Keith Black 2 If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
Bedford Posted July 13 #257 Posted July 13 You've brought her such a long way John, she'll wait, enjoy the break and I'm hoping all goes well with the treatment. FriedClams and Keith Black 2 Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson, Thermoplylae, Bluenose II, 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy, Full sized 17 foot yawl Selway Fisher Ptarmigan
SaltyScot Posted July 13 #258 Posted July 13 21 hours ago, Jim Lad said: I'm up for daily medical treatment Fingers crossed that this is nothing serious, John. Enjoy your break, you have certainly deserved it! Keith Black 1 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Jim Lad Posted July 13 Author #259 Posted July 13 Thank you for your comments and concern, gentlemen. I must say I'm looking forward to a bit of a break - this has been a much bigger project than I had first imagined, and I've been putting a lot of time in. As for the upcoming treatment, it's akin to pulling up a single weed roots and all before it can grow into a whole garden of weeds. Side effects should be minimal and each days treatment is short, but having to be at the hospital during the day means (obviously) that I can't be at the museum. The 'Duchess' will wait patiently in her temporary case. John. SaltyScot, Bedford, Ian_Grant and 5 others 8
Zooropa Posted September 7 #260 Posted September 7 On 7/13/2025 at 12:07 AM, Jim Lad said: Another small update. The mizzen upper topsail is now rigged (apart from the halliard), so only 3 more square sails to go and then the 3 sails on the jigger. Of course, there's still a mass of work to do on he after all the sails are on, but at least she'll look more or less like a complete ship then. This will probably be the last update for some time. We're off on holiday next week and then I'm up for daily medical treatment for some time after that so that will stop me getting to the museum for a while. John I see the housing of the boiler room got a door, as this housing is fully occupied by a cochran boiler. Herzogin Cecilie never had any doors from the poop deck
Jim Lad Posted September 8 Author #261 Posted September 8 Do you mean from under the poop to the well deck? she certainly had those. John. Keith Black 1
Keith Black Posted September 8 #262 Posted September 8 Welcome home, John. I look forward to seeing more Cecilie updates. MAGIC's Craig, Jim Lad, FriedClams and 1 other 4 Current Builds: Mosquito Fleet Mystery Sternwheeler Sternwheeler from the Susquehanna River's Hard Coal Navy Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
Eileen Posted September 18 #263 Posted September 18 Hello everyone, My name is Eileen, I'm studying to become a naval architect and I'm currently doing research on Herzogin Cecilie. I've found a lot of writing about it, especially in this book Derby, William Lenson Arnold. The Tall Ships Pass: The Story of the Last Years of Deepwater Square-Rigged Sail, Embodying Therein the History and Detailed Description of the Finnish Four Masted Steel Barque “Herzogin Cecilie.” With Internet Archive. Newton Abbot, David & Charles, 1970. http://archive.org/details/tallshipspasssto0000derb. I have not found many drawings though, and I'm looking to remodel the hull in 3D. I've seen that you've been working on this great model and I am looking for the drawings, Do you know where I could find them or who could have them ? Have lovely day, Eileen Keith Black 1
Kenchington Posted September 18 #264 Posted September 18 Eileen, It has been a very long time since I read Derby's book cover-to-cover but I think he wrote that he could not find any lines plan for the ship. Maybe someone has since uncovered them! Trevor Keith Black and BANYAN 2 In progress: Norwegian sailing pram, by Model Shipways Completed: 1880 Gloucester halibut dory, based on Model Shipways Lowell banks dory
wefalck Posted Thursday at 03:55 PM #265 Posted Thursday at 03:55 PM A very limited set of plans can be found here: http://www.digipeer.de/index.php?sf=0&al=Herzogin+Cecilie They are drawings held in the Deutsche Schiffahrtsmuseum Bremerhaven. I am not sure what happend to the archives of the Rickmers shipyard, which finally closed in 1986, whether they survived the bombings during WW2. The International Maritime Instiute Hamburg, which had a financially potent founder/sponsor, managed to buy out many shipyard archives, but Rickmers does not seem to be among them. In a way it is strange that not much in terms of original resources seem to have survived, as she was quite a prominent ship in Germany before WW1. BANYAN, Kenchington, Keith Black and 1 other 4 wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux
Jim Lad Posted Thursday at 09:21 PM Author #266 Posted Thursday at 09:21 PM Eileen, Harold Underhill's plans, which are said to have been redrawn from the original yard plans, are available through various dealers online. Just google 'Herzogin Cecilie Plans'. Bear in mind that these plans show the ship 'as built'. There were major changes made during her long life. Our model shows her as she was on her last voyage in 1936. John Keith Black and FriedClams 2
wefalck Posted Friday at 08:05 AM #267 Posted Friday at 08:05 AM I always wondered, where Underhill found some of the builders' plans. For instance, I researched some years ago the background to his drawings of the 1879 wooden brig MARIE SOPHIE, the last built in Germany, but the only thing I could find was an old model of her in the maritime museum in Brake (near her birthplace). He didn't provide information on the location of the respective plans. Kenchington, FriedClams and Keith Black 3 wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux
Eileen Posted Friday at 10:13 AM #268 Posted Friday at 10:13 AM Hello Trevor, Wefalck and John, Thank you very much for your input ! I would have never thought about Bremerhaven ! That helped me a lot ! Have a nice day, Eileen Keith Black, Jim Lad and FriedClams 3
Jim Lad Posted Monday at 03:07 AM Author #269 Posted Monday at 03:07 AM Had a bit of a break between our holiday and starting treatment, so here's a final final update for a while! 🙂 The mizzen upper topgallants are now rigged and the sharp eyed might also notice that the fore lower shrouds are also sporting ratlines. Only one more square sail to go and then the full ratline, lower sheet, brace thing happens, plus some deck details I can't put on yet. The 'Duchess' will hopefully return to active duty in mid November! John Tony Hunt, Paul Le Wol, chris watton and 13 others 16
Bedford Posted Monday at 05:13 AM #270 Posted Monday at 05:13 AM Best wishes John Paul Le Wol and Keith Black 2 Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson, Thermoplylae, Bluenose II, 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy, Full sized 17 foot yawl Selway Fisher Ptarmigan
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