GrandpaPhil Posted November 21 Author #31 Posted November 21 Making progress on the lower hull: I still need to make a couple minor repairs then I’ll add the rest of the lower hull fittings and paint everything below the waterline. I really regret not doing this on Solferino so I’m not making that mistake again. Keith Black, yvesvidal, druxey and 5 others 8 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted November 22 Author #32 Posted November 22 I used my light table for the first time tonight: I traced the cradle from my Orel Tsarevich. The Borodino-class battleships were direct derivatives of the Tsarevich so it stands to reason that they probably shared a similar hull shape. If not, I have a scalpel to reshape the cradles, lol. They are laid out on basswood from a basswood value pack that I got a while back. Coyote_6, John Fox III, king derelict and 4 others 7 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted November 22 Author #33 Posted November 22 Also, I feathered out the remaining lumps in the hull. There’s glue drying on the bottom where I made those repairs, so I’ll seal again tomorrow. Richard44, druxey, Old Collingwood and 8 others 11 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted November 23 Author #34 Posted November 23 (edited) Here’s the cradle: I modified the end pieces to fit the Oryol. It still needs painted, and will be painted a dark brown before being glued. I’m going to go with gloss black, like I did Solferino for the actual base. I like gluing my models to their bases for structural integrity reasons. Edited November 23 by GrandpaPhil mtaylor, Harvey Golden, John Fox III and 7 others 10 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted November 24 Author #35 Posted November 24 The Oryol is sitting in its cradle now: Working on the fittings for the lower hull before I seal and paint everything below the waterline. I’ll paint the cradle at the same time and then glue the ship to it. king derelict, yvesvidal, John Fox III and 7 others 10 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted November 24 Author #36 Posted November 24 The lower hull is now assembled and ready to paint: The props are assembled too: I’m going to paint them also. mtaylor, Ryland Craze, Richard44 and 9 others 12 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted November 24 Author #37 Posted November 24 (edited) The bottom of the Oryol is now painted and sealed. The props are also painted and sealed in addition to being glued to the ship. The cradle is now painted, sealed and permanently glued to the bottom of the ship. The first armor band is also glued on. Next up are the bow sections of armor, with another step. After that, I’m going to need to make all the 75mm guns and install them in their proper locations. This is all new to me, as I’ve never built a modernish card ship before. The only other predreadnought that I have built was the Olympia, which had brass gun barrels sticking out of the casemate. I have heard others saying that card guns, if you do the full thing, are very labor intensive and quite the nuisance. I’ll let you know my opinion after I make 20 of them after I install the bow armor sections. Edited November 24 by GrandpaPhil yvesvidal, Old Collingwood, Coyote_6 and 10 others 13 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted November 25 Author #38 Posted November 25 (edited) I have made 2 of the 75mm guns and I am building them completely. I am going to display the gun emplacements with the blast doors open instead of just having the barrels sticking out of the casemates. They are very labor intensive, especially at this scale, but they look good. Many of the parts are between 1-1.5mm that you cut, fold, roll and assemble. It’s a good challenge. I am learning and having fun with this one. Edited November 25 by GrandpaPhil Added picture Canute, Richard44, druxey and 9 others 10 2 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted November 25 Author #39 Posted November 25 I just added a slide rule to my curio. mtaylor, Coyote_6, Old Collingwood and 2 others 5 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
king derelict Posted November 26 #40 Posted November 26 I’ve still got mine Alan Old Collingwood, mtaylor, Keith Black and 2 others 5 Quote
Canute Posted November 26 #41 Posted November 26 I've still got my old K+E slip stick from college and a couple of circular ones from my flying career. 😉 Keith Black, Old Collingwood, GrandpaPhil and 1 other 4 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild
GrandpaPhil Posted November 27 Author #42 Posted November 27 I finished making all 20 of the 75mm guns: I still need to edge paint them and seal them to cover the edges of the card. They are labor intensive and fiddly from the scale, but no worse than the cannon that I am used to making. I figure that these battleships were the early Twentieth Century version of a ship of the line, so I tempered my expectations accordingly. I have already built the Solferino, which was essentially an armored, steam powered, two-decker, with 55 cannon, also in 1/200 scale and made by Orel. Plus, I made all 46 guns for the Revenge, with carriages mostly made of card. So, I already kind of knew what I was getting into. I’m still glad to get over that hurdle though. The next major one will be all the ladders and the railings. Those are always my biggest problems. But, we’ll see how much I learned from Solferino and go from there. Richard44, Canute, John Fox III and 6 others 8 1 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
Coyote_6 Posted November 27 #43 Posted November 27 Those look the part Phil - super convincing. Just amazing results. Can't wait to see them painted. Old Collingwood, Keith Black, Canute and 3 others 5 1 Quote Steve Launched: USS Theodore Roosevelt, CVN 71 (1/720, Plastic) USS Missouri, BB 63 (1/535 Plastic) USS Yorktown, CV 5 (1/700, Plastic) In Dry Dock: Prince de Neufchatel, New York 1812 (1/58, Wood) USS Enterprise, CVAN 65 (1/720, Plastic)
GrandpaPhil Posted November 28 Author #44 Posted November 28 (edited) Steve, Thank you very much! The front armor pieces had multiple conflicting compound curves around the bow area that didn’t go quite right. I decided to trim that up a bit and fix some problem areas as well as I could. One of those included the shield emblem on the bow that takes the place of a figurehead. It had a huge gap in it. I ended up making a filler piece then I repainted the Imperial Eagle. It’s not as good as a laser printed one and no where near as good as some of the hand painted stuff that I’ve seen on this forum, but I’m happy with it. The entire thing is 1/2” (12mm for you metric types) across. Edited November 28 by GrandpaPhil yvesvidal, Canute, John Fox III and 9 others 12 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted November 28 Author #45 Posted November 28 Working on closing up the upper hull: The upper armor strips have been fitting relatively well. Due to the whaleback shape of the hull, a lot of preshaping has been required to get the pieces to accept the curvature of the hull. I’ll start working on the casemates along with installing the 75mm guns next time! Richard44, Old Collingwood, Keith Black and 7 others 10 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted November 28 Author #46 Posted November 28 (edited) The hull is mostly closed up now: I made the executive decision to keep the blast doors closed and just have the 75mm gun barrels sticking out. This thing is going to have enough fragile pieces sticking out of the hull without adding more points of failure. Also, a battleship to me is an armored behemoth, and keeping the blast doors closed on the casemates would look better to me. I still need to put the rest of the blast doors on the casemates, install the anchor shelves, and then I have a lot of tidying up and paint work to do before I install the 75mm gun barrels. Edited November 28 by GrandpaPhil Keith Black, Ryland Craze, Richard44 and 9 others 12 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
king derelict Posted November 29 #47 Posted November 29 You guys who work in card have great skills alan GrandpaPhil, Coyote_6, Canute and 3 others 5 1 Quote
GrandpaPhil Posted December 2 Author #48 Posted December 2 Alan, Thank you very much! I have learned so much from everyone on this forum! The hull is completely closed up and everything is edge painted now: The Oryol is now at the point where it is becoming difficult to tell that this is a card kit from looking at it. The next steps are to seal the model, add the 75mm guns and then make the fore and aft torpedo tubes. mtaylor, Keith Black, John Fox III and 9 others 12 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
Old Collingwood Posted December 2 #49 Posted December 2 The touch ups with the paint made all the difference Phil - brings it all together. OC. GrandpaPhil, Canute, Paul Le Wol and 3 others 5 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
GrandpaPhil Posted December 2 Author #50 Posted December 2 OC, Indeed it does! This is the part where these models get fun! The 75mm batteries and the torpedo tubes are installed: The instructions for this model are very generic and are more concerned with the general building order. They are not particularly detailed. So, I’m ad libbing a bit and working the deck fittings as I build upwards. I’m going to work forward to aft and then up, much like I would on a sailing vessel. I’ll add the outboard railings, boarding ladders and the davits as the last thing prior to masting the ship. yvesvidal, mtaylor, king derelict and 9 others 12 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
Jsk Posted December 3 #51 Posted December 3 Is there any indication as to who designed this model? I'm struck by how similar so many of these card kits are to each other. The instructions all look the same, too. Of course, you never find out what's missing in the instructions until you get to building! Keith Black, Old Collingwood, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote --jeff In Process: Skipjack Kathryn 1/72 Card (scratch build) Completed Builds: Slavic (Viking) Longship 1/72 (Falconet), US Revenue Cutter 1/72 Card (Seahorse),
ccoyle Posted December 3 #52 Posted December 3 1 hour ago, Jsk said: Is there any indication as to who designed this model? I can't remember the gentleman's name, but all or most of Orel's predreadnoughts are designed by one man, and he is prolific, which is why so many of the Orel kits have a common look about them. Coyote_6, Keith Black, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, DS Børøysund
GrandpaPhil Posted December 4 Author #53 Posted December 4 Gromyk Yuriy (Grom) designed the kit. He did a wonderful job of it. Everything fits perfectly. I am assuming that he intended for this to be built by someone who already knows the ropes of predreadnought building. I’m figuring it out as I go. It’s a really nice kit, it’s just definitely for an advanced level modeler. I’m having a lot of fun with it, it’s just giving me a run for my money. I’m glad that I have a high tolerance for ambiguity, lol, to figure out where everything goes and how it goes together. Keith Black, Canute, king derelict and 2 others 5 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
Glen McGuire Posted December 4 #54 Posted December 4 Just found this build log, Phil. I'm on board for what looks like a cool project. Looking good so far! Keith Black, Old Collingwood, king derelict and 2 others 4 1 Quote Current builds: BlueJacket Constitution Repair & Build Flying Dutchman/Black Pearl Pirates of the Caribbean SIB Gallery: Mamoli CSS Alabama; Amati Hannah-SIB; Charles W Morgan-SIB; Aurora-SIB; Independence-SIB; Zheng He Treasure Fleet-SIB; Adventure Galley-SIB; Oseberg/Kraken-SIB; Roman Quinquereme/Archimedes' Claw-SIB; Wa'a Kualua-SIB; Ghost Ship Jenny-SIB; Banshee II-SIB, Completed build logs: Alabama; Hannah; Morgan; Aurora; Independence; Zheng He Treasure Fleet; Captain Kidd's Adventure Galley; Oseberg/Kraken; Roman Quinquereme/Archimedes' Claw, Wa'a Kualua, Ghost Ship Jenny; Banshee II
Veszett Roka Posted December 4 #55 Posted December 4 Phil, here is a few pictures of a shipmodel from a russian page. This might help with the ropes. https://karopka.ru/community/user/23019/?MODEL=629020 Keith Black, Old Collingwood, Canute and 1 other 3 1 Quote
GrandpaPhil Posted December 5 Author #56 Posted December 5 (edited) Glen, Welcome and thank you very much! Veszett, Thank you very much! That was extremely helpful! One set of ladders: All ladders going down are my first step and then I’ll start in on the rest of the deck fittings, working from fore to aft! Edited December 5 by GrandpaPhil Keith Black, SiriusVoyager, king derelict and 7 others 10 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
king derelict Posted December 5 #57 Posted December 5 Wow. And I thought PE ladders were painful. Great work alan Canute, Keith Black, GrandpaPhil and 1 other 3 1 Quote
Jsk Posted December 6 #58 Posted December 6 On 12/3/2024 at 7:15 PM, GrandpaPhil said: I’m having a lot of fun with it Bah, you say that about all your builds! Canute, GrandpaPhil, yvesvidal and 1 other 4 Quote --jeff In Process: Skipjack Kathryn 1/72 Card (scratch build) Completed Builds: Slavic (Viking) Longship 1/72 (Falconet), US Revenue Cutter 1/72 Card (Seahorse),
GrandpaPhil Posted Monday at 06:27 PM Author #59 Posted Monday at 06:27 PM (edited) Alan, Thank you very much! Jeff, Lol, I enjoy the hobby quite a lot, and each build I learn something new! The challenge is what makes it fun! I’m having a ladder making party today: Second set for the day: Ladders are one of the hardest parts of a ship for me, especially modernish ships. Edited Monday at 06:28 PM by GrandpaPhil Richard44, ccoyle, Keith Black and 6 others 9 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted Monday at 09:32 PM Author #60 Posted Monday at 09:32 PM All ladders going down into the ship are made and installed: king derelict, Keith Black, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
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