captainbob Posted May 13, 2013 #91 Posted May 13, 2013 Tom, In the previous picture, (the window half under water) the reflections in the windows seem to indicate the two panes are not in the same plane. I would build it like Michael shows. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
TBlack Posted May 13, 2013 Author #92 Posted May 13, 2013 Bob & Michael. I'll grant you that the middle window of the first picture looks like it might be in 2 planes, but look at the window next to the door above; it's flat. And, I'd argue, so is the middle window above or else the reflection wouldn't be consistent on both sides of the mullion. So how about we compromise and make the 4 windows on either side of the center window in 2 planes and the remaining 3 windows flat? Tom Quote
Jim Lad Posted May 13, 2013 #93 Posted May 13, 2013 I've been quiet here for a bit as working is stytene is ouitside my experience, but I think I have to agree with Tom that the windows are flat. I think the reflection in the windows of the sunken ferry are creating an illusion of a bent window. On a purely practical note, I think windows other than flat would be very rare indeed on this type of craft - but maybe in America they built ferrys like that? John Quote
steamschooner Posted May 13, 2013 #94 Posted May 13, 2013 Tom, I would vote for flat window frames as well, just doesn't make sense that they would use curved or angled frames. It looks like you have three different mouldings to build for the cabin top. Quote Zipper hydroplane(Miss Mabel ) finished John Cudahy Scratch build 1/4" scale Steam Tug 1914 Steam Tug Scratch build from HAMMS plans 1820 Pinky "Eagle" Scratch build from; American Ships Their Plans and History
michael mott Posted May 14, 2013 #95 Posted May 14, 2013 Tom Your compromise sound great, From a perfectly practical point of view the windows are too small to warrant the split pane I still believe that they are split to accommodate the curve which is quite a sharp one. If they could have used flat panes I think they would have, it is not as if they could only make small panes or that small panes were the only available option. Tom what is the radius of the curve both in real life and on your model. I would gusee that it is no more than 4 feet radius 5 at the absolute outside. vinal haven.pdf This is a cad drawing showing the window pane as a flat and a split using 48 inches as the radius. I do think that the split is correct and that the windows were split and angled. Michael avsjerome2003 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
TBlack Posted May 14, 2013 Author #96 Posted May 14, 2013 John, Steve, Michael, Thanks so much for your attention and thoughts. I hope I'm worthy of your efforts; I'll try to be. Michael, Of course, my pilot house dimensions are a guess simply from looking at the photographs. One of the reasons to build the pilot house "plug" was to see how it fit on the model and did it look like what was in the photos. I think I'm pretty close. Having said that, I've got to hand it to you. The radius of the pilot house is, indeed, 48". Or, it's 8 feet across from outside wall to outside wall. This scale is 1:48, so the actual dimension is 2 inches wide. Also, just as a construction tidbit, when I built the windows for the salon, aft of the pilot house, I used the same window mould as on the main deck, and cast the windows from that mould. But the salon windows required a mullion similar to the pilot house windows. I inserted a piece, gluing it top and bottom, in the window frame. The window pane behind it gives it some stability. Quote
michael mott Posted May 14, 2013 #97 Posted May 14, 2013 Tom since it is 2 inches across I have rescaled the drawing to your dimension the PDF will show the amount of bevel or angle to the uprights between windows are a scale 3 inches on the outside edges. vinal haven48.pdf I hope this is of use. Michael avsjerome2003 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
TBlack Posted May 14, 2013 Author #98 Posted May 14, 2013 Michael, You're pretty adept with that CAD program; I'm not sure I can measure out to the ten thousandths on my ruler. I'm reminded of the days when I was a real estate developer. My architect would provide detail plans on some aspect of the build, and my contractor would look at the plan and then "build to fit". What I'm seeing from you is that the mullion and the center of the frame needs to be pushed forward to nearly flush with the outside skin. Tom Quote
michael mott Posted May 15, 2013 #99 Posted May 15, 2013 Tom the split window panes follow the curve more closely. if you zoom in to the PDF the window remains about 3/4 of (scale) inch from the outside curve. Sorry about the 4 decimal places I forgot to round up with the program basically we are looking at 3/16ths (.187) for the split pane and 3/8ths (.375) for the full opening the difference of a few thou is not worth worrying about. Igf you print out the PDF at 100% then you can see exactly the shapes and sizes. In reality Tom these are quite small pieces. So I hope that I haven't opened too big a can of worms. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
TBlack Posted May 23, 2013 Author #100 Posted May 23, 2013 More on the pilot house. I'm working on the interior, although I've also cast the windows. They won't go in until I've put the" skin" in place, and I'll do that after I've installed the pieces that go on the flat parts of the pilot house, namely the doors. On the left, in the picture, is the form I used for making the doors. I'm using the sandwich method that Danny uses to build his doors. So between two door panels will be a window and 3 wooden panels. The picture also shows the beginnings of the door from the pilot house into the captains cabin. Then there's the pilot house floor and chart table. There will be a seat on the other side of the door. Tom avsjerome2003 and popeye the sailor 2 Quote
Jim Lad Posted May 23, 2013 #101 Posted May 23, 2013 And I suppose we'll eventually see a coffee pot and some mugs on top of those drawers, Tom. John mtaylor 1 Quote
TBlack Posted May 23, 2013 Author #102 Posted May 23, 2013 John, I'm not sure about the mugs. When I was in the Navy we used to bring a mug up to the bridge to stay awake while standing watch at 0200. The XO got so fed up with dirty coffee mugs cluttering up the bridge that he threw them all over the side! Tom Quote
captainbob Posted May 23, 2013 #103 Posted May 23, 2013 Maybe that's because you didn't bring coffee for the XO. Nice looking chart table anyway. That won't be thrown over the side. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
TBlack Posted May 28, 2013 Author #104 Posted May 28, 2013 A little more progress. A binnacle and an EOT in the construction shop. avsjerome2003 1 Quote
realworkingsailor Posted May 28, 2013 #105 Posted May 28, 2013 Not bad at all Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy
popeye the sailor Posted May 29, 2013 #107 Posted May 29, 2013 well on your way to some great pilot house detail........sweet job Tom! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
TBlack Posted May 29, 2013 Author #108 Posted May 29, 2013 Popeye, I can't begin to get to your level of detail, but it's fun to try. Tom popeye the sailor 1 Quote
michael mott Posted May 29, 2013 #109 Posted May 29, 2013 Good to see that you are getting round the bend, or is that going round the bend Looks good Tom Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
TBlack Posted June 4, 2013 Author #110 Posted June 4, 2013 I've made a little more progress: The window frames are a real challenge. The ship probably only had a voice tube down to the engine spaces, which are right below the pilot house, but the EOT looks more dramatic. I'm still trying to figure out how to make the handle/indicator for it. The barrel is 5 mm across and 2 mm radius. And the face was an example of a successful operation where the patient died. I got a picture of an EOT off the internet and reduced it to my size, so it's all there, you just can't read it! Tom popeye the sailor, Piet, avsjerome2003 and 3 others 6 Quote
Jim Lad Posted June 4, 2013 #111 Posted June 4, 2013 Tom, I don't think it matters that you can't actually read the lettering on the telegraph - the effect is still there! John Quote
popeye the sailor Posted June 5, 2013 #112 Posted June 5, 2013 my level of detail ........indeed! now your trying to upstage me.......... I knew you can do it! the windows and doors look really good as well. are you going to put in cup holders too? Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
captainbob Posted June 5, 2013 #113 Posted June 5, 2013 Nice pilot house, and furniture. Well done. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
TBlack Posted June 5, 2013 Author #114 Posted June 5, 2013 are you going to put in cup holders too? Popeye, You started this! I'm just trying to keep up! What would they have had in 1900? Coffee mugs OK, but certainly not a plug-in coffee pot. Tom popeye the sailor 1 Quote
michael mott Posted June 6, 2013 #115 Posted June 6, 2013 What would they have had in 1900? I would imagine a gimbled stove in the galley Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
TBlack Posted June 6, 2013 Author #116 Posted June 6, 2013 I totally agree with you Michael; especially since I'm not doing a galley! Tom Quote
TBlack Posted July 19, 2013 Author #117 Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) I've finally gotten to the point where I can show something. i had some health issues that got in the way for the last month. I don't have the right tools to build a proper ship's wheel, and I wasn't going to buy one. I figured that you can't really see it all that well once the roof is on. It's a bit of a clunker, but it will do. Also, I'm disappointed that, with the roof on, you can't really see the interior detail, sigh! Edited March 23, 2014 by TBlack Piet and avsjerome2003 2 Quote
druxey Posted July 19, 2013 #118 Posted July 19, 2013 You wrote: I'm disappointed that, with the roof on, you can't really see the interior detail, sigh! But, you know it's there! And so do we. Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
mtaylor Posted July 19, 2013 #119 Posted July 19, 2013 Druxey is right... and there's pictures to prove it!!!! Good to see you back in the workshop, Tom. I hope all stays well for you. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
realworkingsailor Posted July 19, 2013 #120 Posted July 19, 2013 Look at it this way.... It is the room on the ship with the most windows.... So there is a chance that people will notice (I mean, other than us, whom you've enlightened with your pictures). It's not like you detailed all the other cabins and spaces that would never be seen again except by X-ray... Or maybe you did and you're just not telling... Anyway, good to hear you're back and in better health. Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy
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