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Hello.

My name is Jarek. A few months ago I’ve started building my own HMS Victory, as everybody should have this beautiful ship :) . I’ve been making Victory based on the Shipyard’s card model. I hope that the memberships of this forum help me to finish the project, giving me advice, supporting when doubts appear, criticizing when necessary.

Sorry for any mistakes appear in my English :rolleyes:

 

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All the bulkheads are made from 1 mm cardboard, except the bottom of hull (beneath the waterline), where the bulkheads are 3 mm thick. To increase the thickness I glued additional strips of paper on each bulkhead side. I made this because I wanted to have a wider surface to glue the first layer of “plank”.

 

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All sticking out parts of bulkheads I soaked using CA glue. It helps strengthen them to avoid accidentally damage. Also, I’ve made a jig, which helps me to work with a model upside down and not to be afraid of breaking down those sticking out parts. 

 

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I glued two pine slats, one on each side, following almost from bow to stern, to keep the straight line of the paper “keel”. 

 

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Every bulkhead was initially “sanded”, but without using sandpaper. I made this by using the colourless water glue, putting it on each bulkhead edge, to soften this element. Then, with a wooden spatula I smoothed the bulkheads edges. 

 

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Between the bulkheads I glued cardboard pieces (2 mm thick). It helps to avoid “falling” the paper planks between the bulkheads, because they are not as stiff and hard as wooden. It’s hard to believe, but there are about 500 pieces. 

 

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Finally, the view of the first "planking".

 

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On the lower decks, which are not visible, there are “not fully equipped” gun carriages.  The small holes in the carriages were drilled. Before drilling I soaked the element using CA glue in order to have a hard surface for the drill. Firstly, all carriages had been varnished (2 layers), then slightly sanded and finally painted yellow ochre (Talens, Van Gogh). I’ve also made a small jig to build them properly.

 

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I’ve also made a “trial version” of the gun, needed temporary for marking the right position of the gun in gunports. In the future the gun will be a little modified, to achieve much better “product”, more resembling the original ;) . It is of course made from paper, except trunnion and knob which are wooden. 

 

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Before rolling the paper I put on it a thin layer of water glue (on the inside). When the paper is wet it’s easy to roll it and make a pipe, even a small diameter. After drying the glue, paper keeps the proper shape. 

 

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Making the gun, the paper should be cut off with knife holding slightly in angle. Due to it, the edge joint is proper all along the gun, almost invincible. When you cut the paper holding knife perpendicularly, it is hard to join the edges without leaving a slot.  

 

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To make a specific shape of muzzle, I also used water glue to soften the paper. When the paper was still wet, I’d formed the muzzle on rubber, pressing paper with wire rounded ending.

 

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The hole for trunnion was bored using 3 drills, firstly 0,3 mm, then 0,7 mm finally 1 mm, in order to avoid fraying the edges. Before drilling I soaked the paper with CA glue.

 

 

 

 

I’m working on gunports now.

Firstly, using a masking tape, I made fast to the skeleton the first layer of planks. This has been done temporarily for marking the position of gunports opening, on the red “battens”. After that, I cut the battens on smaller sections, so that they fit between each of the bulkheads. Every piece was glued from below, because this way is easier to achieve the good looking gunports.

A little defect has brought to light. One of the bulkheads is visible in the gunport opening, which of course shouldn’t be. It will have to be cut down which is now not as easy, as before gluing all together.

 

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To be continued…

 

 

Posted

Hello Jarek,

 

nice to have your build back!

 

Daniel

To victory and beyond! http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/76-hms-victory-by-dafi-to-victory-and-beyond/

See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History: http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/

Finest etch parts for HMS Victory 1:100 (Heller Kit), USS Constitution 1:96 (Revell) and other useful bits.

http://dafinismus.de/index_en.html

Posted (edited)

That's looking fantastic, I suspect you make a few cannons now and than, rather than waiting till you need to build all of them ?

 

I've tried my hands on a paper period ship only once (Santa Leocadia) but there was some kind of mistake in the kit so I gave up, but I'm sure I'll try another Shipyard kit again in the near future.  (Maybe their new Fluete ship)

Edited by dancooper

On the bench : Revell's Calypso

Posted

Hello Jarek,

 

I've always been interested in building one of these beautiful card models, you're doing and excellent job on your ship, very nice and clean work :)

Best regards,

Aldo

Currently Building:
HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton

 

HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding)

 

 


Past build:
HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo

Posted

Hello Jarek

 

Fantastic build! I really love your card Victory!

 

Cheers,

Rosmarie

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted (edited)

Thanks all of You for the good words.

Dancooper. I’m going to make the guns successively. Making all of them at once probably would kill me.


Slowly, but one step forward. I’ve made my first wooden deck. This is the deck in a wardroom, made from the birch veneer. I decided not to make planking butt step and treenails on this deck, as it will be hardly visible (only through the stern windows). It’s because of my laziness ;) , but I can assure you, that it will be done properly on the other decks.

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To be continued...

Edited by Paragraf
  • 3 weeks later...
Posted (edited)

I’d like to present my way of making the deck planks.

First of all, veneer should be moist when cutting. Therefore before cutting, I kept it in water (about 30 min.). Cutting with knife is much easier when veneer is wet and there is no need to worry about chipping off the wood.

I’ve made a small jig for cutting, which helps me to achieve equal width of each plank. Important thing is to soak the edges of the jig with CA glue; due to this, the cardboard keeps still the same size. Making planks, I cut the veneer twice or three times. I’ m trying not to do it with single cut because it’s harder to achieve straight edge of plank.

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Another jig has been made for “forming” planks into bundles and sanding their edges. The jig consist of two elements: into the first I lay down the planks and after that insert all into the groove in the second element. Due to this the planks block and do not move when sanding.

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Next I apply onto one sanded surface the thin layer of glue (I use Pattex for wood), so that paint do not soak into the plank. Then I paint this “glued” surface with black acrylic paint, which imitates caulking. When everything is dry I cut up the bundles for single planks using razor-blade. 

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To be continued...

Edited by Paragraf
Posted

Hello jarek

I like Aldo have beel interested. In building one of these card builds for a while now, and find it very intriguing, so I shall watch this build

With lots of interest and wish you well. Enjoy your build. DAVID

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

Hey Jarek.

     Beautiful looking model!  I have a neighbor that builds models and asked me to help him find a place to order this model. Any help you can give me as to where he could find it?  Any help is appriciated. THanks!

 

Darren

  • 4 months later...
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After a long time of laziness the first deck has been made. Each plank was cut to the proper lenght using the jig.

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The picture below shows not yet polished deck.

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To have a smooth deck surfice firstly I scratch the veener with the blade, as shown beneath. Finally the deck will be sanded.

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  • 4 weeks later...
Posted (edited)

My way of making gratings.

 

The first step: cut apropriate number of veneer sticks; this time I used alder veneer because it's softer then birtch so - much easier to cut.

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The second: glue sticks on the paper masking tape; they should be glued side by side, very tightly.

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The third: paste another sticks across to the rest; to have appropriate distance between crossed veneer strips I used another stick of the same size, as a separator. After all masking tape must be removed.

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The fourth: turn glued element upside down, insert razor blade into the slot between the sticks and cut „teeth”pressing the razor as guillotine.

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The fifth: put „the combs” together into grating.

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Grating holes are about 0,8 mm.

Edited by Paragraf
Posted (edited)

Excellent thread, thank you for your building tips, Paragraf. Although technically your Victory is a paper model, in fact your tips are certainly good for wooden modelling too. Will follow your build with much interest!

 

Cheers!

Edited by Doreltomin
  • 2 months later...
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Making wardroom...

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Octagonal casing over the rudder head.

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Two of the three deck beams; made from four glued together pieces of cardboard (1 mm thick), then soaked with CA, after that sanded to the proper shape and finally painted white.  

 

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Edited by Paragraf
Posted (edited)

The aftermost deck beam, because of it's specific shape, had to be done using the jig.

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The first of four cardboard "batten" was glued to the jig.

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Next three battens I glued only to the first, without sticking them to the jig. After that I cut off the deck beam from the jig, then soaked with CA, sanded to the proper shape and finally painted white.

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  • 2 months later...
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Not a long ago I discovered on MSW that card building is something more complex that making paper planes, and was astonished with details

 

Keep nice and clean work as you start.

 

Please describe more detail your method for gratings, something is missing (or I am stupid/blind or something simillar)  - how do you make equal level on upper surface ? Sanding to the maximum possible level ?

 

Nenad

In progress:

CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653

Content of log :

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381

Past build:

Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic

Posted

 

 

Please describe more detail your method for gratings, something is missing (or I am stupid/blind or something simillar)  - how do you make equal level on upper surface ? Sanding to the maximum possible level ?

 

Nenad

 

Nenad. You're not blind. I didn't write about this, my mistake, sorry. As you said, to have a smooth upper surface, grating after gluing is sanded. In the beginning I use sandpaper grades 320 and finally grades 500 or 600. That's all the secret. 

Posted

One idea collected. Thx

In progress:

CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653

Content of log :

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381

Past build:

Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic

  • 1 month later...
Posted (edited)

The first cabin has been finished. I realise it doesn't look like the original wardroom which should be much longer, with a big table in the middle. Unfortunately too late I decided to make a wardroom. If I wanted to do it properly I would have to destroy the already glued ship's skeleton. 

 

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To be conitunued ...
Edited by Paragraf
Posted

My way of making gratings.

 

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Grating holes are about 0,8 mm.

Woneerful, thank you for showing!

 

DAniel

To victory and beyond! http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/76-hms-victory-by-dafi-to-victory-and-beyond/

See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History: http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/

Finest etch parts for HMS Victory 1:100 (Heller Kit), USS Constitution 1:96 (Revell) and other useful bits.

http://dafinismus.de/index_en.html

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

The next phase of work is the admiral's cabin. 

 

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The first of the walls separating the Nelson's cabin from the rest of the ship was made of pear veneer. Veneer has been covered the stain color of teak. When staining I used a method called „dry brush” - before applying the stain on veneer I wiped the brush in a paper towel so that it was almost dry. Next I let the stain sink (for a few seconds) and then rubbed veneer with dry paper towel to remove excess stain. I placed stain twice, and finally varnished.

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To perform window frames I prepared myself a small jig. I guess the pictures fully illustrate the method and doesn't require a description.

 

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  • 4 weeks later...
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The wall in the Admiral's cabin has been completed. There are also door knobs ;) . All of this isn't perfect, but I think it looks tolerably.

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Admiral's commode doesn't look like the furniture from the early nineteenth century, but I could't do it in a different way - means more original.
 
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To be continued...
 
 
 
 
Edited by Paragraf
Posted

Great work! I like the way you make your ship. I also get plenty of good ideas from you :)

I am currently building the same ship, scale 1/98.

I am looking for some advice/pictures/drawings for the stern post.

It is missing from the box, so i have to build them myself.

Any good ideas are welcome !!

 

Cheers mate :)

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