bruce d Posted March 28, 2022 Share #721 Posted March 28, 2022 Gary, what does the book give as a picture credit? mtaylor 1 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggi52 Posted March 28, 2022 Share #722 Posted March 28, 2022 There are plans for the Queen 1769 at the NMM, but not this one. mtaylor 1 Quote Regards, Siggi Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747) Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share #723 Posted March 28, 2022 Thank's Druxey I have already done that, just have not heard any thing back. Hi Siggi your right sir they do have plans but as you said not this one and thank you. Hi Bruce. am not sure but can you let me know how I go about finding that out, picture credit that is. Thanks again guys. Gary mtaylor and bruce d 2 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted March 28, 2022 Share #724 Posted March 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, garyshipwright said: let me know how I go about finding that out, picture credit that is. If it isn't with the image or at the end of the chapter, it is usually a separate table at the back of the book with the acknowledgements/index/reference notes. The passage may have a heading like 'picture credits' or some other wording like 'image sources' but once you start looking it will jump out at you. Not often but sometimes the picture credits are sneaked in at the front of the book before the 'contents'. There is no single format but I'm sure you'll find it. HTH, Bruce mtaylor 1 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted March 28, 2022 Share #725 Posted March 28, 2022 Bruce and Gary: there is no credit, which leads me to believe that the draught is actually in the Kriegstein Collection! dvm27, mtaylor and bruce d 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted March 28, 2022 Share #726 Posted March 28, 2022 Hmmmmm. I'm intrigued now. May I suggest an email to Pen & Sword? admin@pen-and-sword.co.uk They must know the source. druxey and mtaylor 2 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share #727 Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) Thanks Druxey. Well I will give Pen and Sword Books a try. Thank guys. Gary Edited March 28, 2022 by garyshipwright druxey, mtaylor and bruce d 3 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted March 29, 2022 Share #728 Posted March 29, 2022 Good Evening Gary; The NMM's website now is a bit of a joke, to say the least. Their own staff are in despair at the fact that the new version was ever switched on so long before it was ready. Search results now are very limited. One drawing of 'Queen' of 1769 does appear, but it is not the same one as shown in the book. I have sent a message to some contacts in the plans archive to ask for reference numbers for any other draughts of her which might exist, and I will let you know what they might tell me. All the best, Mark P druxey, bruce d and mtaylor 3 Quote Previously built models (long ago, aged 18-25ish) POB construction. 32 gun frigate, scratch-built sailing model, Underhill plans. 2 masted topsail schooner, Underhill plans. Started at around that time, but unfinished: 74 gun ship 'Bellona' NMM plans. POB On the drawing board: POF model of Royal Caroline 1749, part-planked with interior details. My own plans, based on Admiralty draughts and archival research. Always on the go: Research into Royal Navy sailing warship design, construction and use, from Tudor times to 1790. Member of NRG, SNR, NRS, SMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted March 29, 2022 Author Share #729 Posted March 29, 2022 Good Evening Mark and thank you. That's not good, search results being very limited. Seems it could cause a big traffic jam and long waiting list. I spent a few hour's today and yesterday looking through their plans but never found one of the Queen, accept a deck plan. Well the search goes on. Once again thank you. Gary mtaylor and Mark P 2 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted April 12, 2022 Author Share #730 Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) Hi Every one, Its been awhile since my last update and most probably figure I fell off the ends of the world. Well the misses sent me a life line and finally went back to doing some thing on her. I sort of been stuck on the cables and how the messenger was routed. Ben from Ropes of Scale help me on the cable and Druxey gave me the ideal about the snatch block. So I went to work on making a snatch block for the messenger using Lee's measurement, from his book The Masting and Rigging of English ships. It didn't come out to bad But I leave that up to you. Edited April 12, 2022 by garyshipwright CiscoH, scrubbyj427, Siggi52 and 25 others 26 2 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted April 12, 2022 Share #731 Posted April 12, 2022 Lovely! Nice to see you back at her again and for the new photos, Gary. mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted April 13, 2022 Author Share #732 Posted April 13, 2022 Thank you druxey and your very welcome. mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted April 13, 2022 Share #733 Posted April 13, 2022 Great beautiful work Gary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted April 13, 2022 Author Share #734 Posted April 13, 2022 Thanks you Albert. mtaylor 1 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted April 13, 2022 Share #735 Posted April 13, 2022 Looking fantastic as always. Its a treat to see you back at it. mtaylor 1 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted April 14, 2022 Author Share #736 Posted April 14, 2022 Thank you Chuck, its nice to be back to working on her. mtaylor 1 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share #737 Posted April 16, 2022 Well guys, sort of out done my self this time on updates, figure it was time to work on the mast to make sure it fit in place before I can't get to certain places. After a couple of daysI finally got the fore mast looking some thing like a mast, but still a long way to go with it but its a start. Have to say thank you to Alan and druxey for info on the mast and helping me bring it to life. Mirabell61, fake johnbull, Landlubber Mike and 21 others 22 2 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted April 16, 2022 Share #738 Posted April 16, 2022 Gary - it is fascinating to watch your and Siggi’s build unfold; you are brothers from a different set of “mother” plans. I look on with the highest respect and admiration. Mark P, mtaylor, scrubbyj427 and 1 other 4 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share #739 Posted April 16, 2022 Thank you very much Hubac's and hopfully I have another up date some time in the near future. mtaylor 1 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted April 16, 2022 Share #740 Posted April 16, 2022 Good Morning Gary; I have heard back from the NMM; they only have one drawing of the Queen, and it is not the same as the one which you show. The plan curator believes that It must be part of the Kriegstein Collection. All the best, Mark P mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote Previously built models (long ago, aged 18-25ish) POB construction. 32 gun frigate, scratch-built sailing model, Underhill plans. 2 masted topsail schooner, Underhill plans. Started at around that time, but unfinished: 74 gun ship 'Bellona' NMM plans. POB On the drawing board: POF model of Royal Caroline 1749, part-planked with interior details. My own plans, based on Admiralty draughts and archival research. Always on the go: Research into Royal Navy sailing warship design, construction and use, from Tudor times to 1790. Member of NRG, SNR, NRS, SMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share #741 Posted April 18, 2022 (edited) Thank's very much Mark P for all of your help. Gary Edited May 5, 2022 by garyshipwright mtaylor and Mark P 2 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted April 18, 2022 Share #742 Posted April 18, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 11:14 PM, garyshipwright said: I will give Pen and Sword Books a try. Any luck? mtaylor 1 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted April 18, 2022 Share #743 Posted April 18, 2022 Can't remember if this has come up before but there is a single drawing in the Danish museum identified as Queen 1769, number D207: Data on D207 is sparse but here it is: mtaylor 1 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share #744 Posted April 18, 2022 (edited) Hi Bruce d. I did finally get a reply which came from Henry Kriegstein late Friday but didn't get to it till today. Took the family to Cincinnati and just got a chance to look at it. It helped me answer question about pillar's in the manger and was it possible that they may of been used as roller's for the messenger. I was excited to see this in their book, the pillar's in the manger but looked to be holding up the beams and not what you think of as rollers. Hard to really make it out from the picture for sure. I would post it but would have to ask the Kriegstein first to make sure its ok. If your interested let me know please and will ask them if it ok. Gary Edited April 18, 2022 by garyshipwright bruce d, druxey and mtaylor 3 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted April 19, 2022 Share #745 Posted April 19, 2022 A novel way of launching a ship: upside down. Oh. Picture is inverted. Just regular launch ways after all! Might you consider showing your model on the ways to present your model, Gary? mtaylor and bruce d 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share #746 Posted April 19, 2022 That's a possibility druxey, of course I probably need to finish the rest of her first 😁 druxey, Mark P and mtaylor 3 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giampieroricci Posted April 22, 2022 Share #747 Posted April 22, 2022 wonderful model Gary!!! druxey and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted April 22, 2022 Author Share #748 Posted April 22, 2022 Thank's Giampiero, and your not doing to bad your self. mtaylor 1 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted May 5, 2022 Author Share #749 Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) Hello. Here's a new update for you. Not perfect but I like it . One thing for sure, It really takes a lot of time to make and fit the knee's to the side but am getting there. Thank's for looking in. Edited May 5, 2022 by garyshipwright popash42, mtaylor, KentM and 16 others 18 1 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giampieroricci Posted May 5, 2022 Share #750 Posted May 5, 2022 3 hours ago, garyshipwright said: Hello. Here's a new update for you. Not perfect but I like it . One thing for sure, It really takes a lot of time to make and fit the knee's to the side but am getting there. Thank's for looking in. I see a great job well done! I really like the shades of the different types of wood! mtaylor and KentM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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