Ulises Victoria Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share #331 Posted September 8, 2015 Thank you Antony. Means a lot. Due to some life stuff I have not been able to work on mi ship as much as I would like, so progress, and thus build updates are slow. I am presently working on the second planking above the wales. As soon as there is some advance worth of showing, I will post. Best regards. CaptainSteve, AntonyUK, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umeckt Posted October 24, 2015 Share #332 Posted October 24, 2015 hi ulises, just got the plans for the royal Louis. been reading your build log and got some good advice from you and all followers of your log. just wondering how the build is going? will you post more pics in the future? just starting to cut out my frames and other pieces. learned a lot and will also make many mistakes just like everyone else. hope to see more of your build. great work so far. regards,terry mtaylor, GLakie and Elijah 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share #333 Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Thank you Terry. Absolutely! I'm in the process of placing the second line of wales above the lower line of cannons. I will post photos as soon as both sides of this area are finished. In the mean time: Edited October 24, 2015 by Ulises Victoria zoly99sask, avsjerome2003, Sjors and 9 others 12 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted October 24, 2015 Share #334 Posted October 24, 2015 Ulises, Nice update. As was stated your planking looks great especially at the bow Nicely detailed work. Michael Elijah, Ulises Victoria, Dimitris71 and 1 other 4 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted October 24, 2015 Share #335 Posted October 24, 2015 Nice job on the planking. I cannot wait to see the finished item. It is going to be a masterpiece David B Ulises Victoria, GLakie, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted October 24, 2015 Share #336 Posted October 24, 2015 hi ulises, just got the plans for the royal Louis. been reading your build log and got some good advice from you and all followers of your log. just wondering how the build is going? will you post more pics in the future? just starting to cut out my frames and other pieces. learned a lot and will also make many mistakes just like everyone else. hope to see more of your build. great work so far. regards,terry Terry, Give some thought to opening a build log. It sounds like you're doing a scratch build, right? It'll be a great way to get help and inspiration through those dark moments we sometimes get and we'll get to follow along. Dimitris71, GLakie, Ulises Victoria and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted October 24, 2015 Share #337 Posted October 24, 2015 Great work Ulises Sadly the link I gave you for the build on the Russian forum seems to have disappeared.They were doing some changes a couple of weeks ago,hopefully it will rematerialise in the future. Kind Regards Nigel Elijah, GLakie and Dimitris71 3 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share #338 Posted October 24, 2015 Thanks a lot for the likes and comments Michael and David B. I can't wait to see it finished myself. Nigel: I could enter the forum. It seems to have a different format. Try this link: http://gallery.shipmodeling.ru/ Dimitris71, GLakie, NMBROOK and 2 others 5 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted October 24, 2015 Share #339 Posted October 24, 2015 Thank you Ulises,my old bookmark didn't work with the new format.I have redone it now Kind Regards Nigel Ulises Victoria, mtaylor, Dimitris71 and 2 others 5 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted October 25, 2015 Share #340 Posted October 25, 2015 That looks great Ulises !!!!!!! you learned your lessons well And you have to do the coppering????? Good luck with that then ! It's not difficult, only boring........ Sjors Dimitris71, GLakie, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share #341 Posted October 25, 2015 Thanks much, Sjors! No. I don't plan to copper this one. I wouldn't spent so much time and effort doing a (to the best of my possibilities) good hull planking job. I will save that work for Chris' 1/64 Victory. (If it ever comes out ) Appreciate your comment! GLakie, Sjors, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted October 26, 2015 Share #342 Posted October 26, 2015 Then we are both waiting for that Ulises... That one should be the last kit for me . Not for the building but there is someone in the house that want me to do scratch build....... When the time is there to do the copperplates I will tell you how to do it Sjors Ulises Victoria, mtaylor, CaptainSteve and 2 others 5 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted December 13, 2015 Share #343 Posted December 13, 2015 Hmmmmmm almost two months and also no update........ Also redecorating the house ????? He Ulises....can we make an deal ? When Chris his Victory is on the market, we go building side by side ??????? Sjors Dimitris71, mtaylor, CaptainSteve and 1 other 4 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share #344 Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Sjors. That would be a double pleasure!!! You can bet on it!!! Oh, and about the updates. I am almost finished with the second planking. Unfortunately, life has had another plans. Still working almost every day but at a slow pace. Best regards Edited December 13, 2015 by Ulises Victoria GLakie, Sjors, CaptainSteve and 2 others 5 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted December 14, 2015 Share #345 Posted December 14, 2015 I know how it works Ulises......... Take your time and let life going his own way........ Talk to you later my friend ( Now I have to find a way to tell Anja that I want to buy the Victory from Chris when it is there......) Sjors Dimitris71, mtaylor and GLakie 3 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Pierre Posted December 14, 2015 Share #346 Posted December 14, 2015 Thanks much, Sjors! No. I don't plan to copper this one. I wouldn't spent so much time and effort doing a (to the best of my possibilities) good hull planking job. I will save that work for Chris' 1/64 Victory. (If it ever comes out ) Appreciate your comment! I'm not sure the Royal Louis had copper plates. At least the large model at the Marine Museum in Paris does not have them, its lower hull is painted off white. Weren't copper plates introduced in the 2nd part of the 18th century, while the Royal Louis was launched somewhere around 1856? Beautiful and impressive ship to model anyway. Have fun! GLakie and Dimitris71 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 14, 2015 Share #347 Posted December 14, 2015 1780 is right about when the French started coppering. RL may have had it as they were testing on select ships right about then. GLakie and Dimitris71 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share #348 Posted December 14, 2015 ( Now I have to find a way to tell Anja that I want to buy the Victory from Chris when it is there......) Sjors Sjors.That would be an even bigger accomplishment than building the kit itself. Mark. Well my ship is built as it was just two weeks before the coppering actually started. Karleop, GLakie, CaptainSteve and 6 others 9 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 15, 2015 Share #349 Posted December 15, 2015 I like the way you think, Ulises. BANYAN, Dimitris71, Ulises Victoria and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share #350 Posted January 7, 2016 Hello all. Finally, after 9 months and 18 days, today Jan. 7 2016 I placed the last bit of wood to finish the second planking in my R.L. This is just a simple update. I will post photos once it is fully painted, which I estimate will take me just a few days. Just couldn't wait to post this milestone. GLakie, Waitoa, CaptainSteve and 6 others 9 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted January 7, 2016 Share #351 Posted January 7, 2016 Congrats Ulises! mtaylor, Dimitris71, Ulises Victoria and 1 other 4 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted January 7, 2016 Share #352 Posted January 7, 2016 Great news - a significant New Year milestone cheers Pat GLakie, Ulises Victoria, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 8, 2016 Share #353 Posted January 8, 2016 A great milestone, Ulises. Congratulations. Altduck and GLakie 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted January 8, 2016 Share #354 Posted January 8, 2016 A milestone update and not a picture yet....... I'll be waiting patiently !!!!! No I don't !!!!!!! pffffffff Sjors Altduck, GLakie and mtaylor 3 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted January 9, 2016 Share #355 Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) G'day Ulisus My congratulations are there also with all the others A great milestone which I'm sure, you are pleased that is behind you now. Can't wait to see the photos. Havagooday Greg Edited January 9, 2016 by Greg the peg leg sailor Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share #356 Posted January 9, 2016 Thanks all for your comments and patience. Sorry Sjors... photos will be up soon. I am painting the hull at this moment. This is a 3 to 4 day job, so photos should be up pretty soon. In advance I have to say that I am pleased but not totally satisfied with the way this whole planking job came out. Main culprits were those metal frames for the gun ports. I don't know if this is Mamoli's general practice, but in any case, if I ever stumble upon such method in any of my future builds, I will have to find an alternate method. Best wishes to all. Ulises mtaylor, GLakie and Sjors 3 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share #357 Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) First of all, I want to make a comment about my above statement: Statement: Painting the hull will be a 3 to 4 day job. Comment: Aha! Yeah, right! Well, between the experiments, the DOs and DON'Ts and REDOs it will definitely take me more time. So here are some photos of the painting process. I decided to use Model Expo's Royal Louis set of paints for the black and blue. The Milk paint I boasted about sometime ago, just did not cut it in the end. Still undecided about the ochre color, which apparently came out fine with the milk paint. (It's under the tape) If paint looks uneven when zooming, it's because it's still wet. Thank you for visiting. Ulises Edited January 13, 2016 by Ulises Victoria avsjerome2003, Seventynet, mtaylor and 6 others 10 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share #358 Posted January 14, 2016 At last, a workbench that looks even more cluttered than mine! And I cleaned up for the photo. GLakie, CaptainSteve and mtaylor 3 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share #359 Posted January 14, 2016 Okay, here she is! Just a very few minor details left but I can say now my hull is planked and painted. It looks shinier in the photos than it really is. Maybe an effect of the flash. Also, the Boiled Linseed Oil finish was applied just a couple hours before, so I think it will diminish with time and handling. As I said before, I am pleased but not fully satisfied with my planking job. It has been a tremendous learning experience, though. Thanks for visiting. Sjors, avsjerome2003, Seventynet and 13 others 16 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted January 14, 2016 Share #360 Posted January 14, 2016 Congratulations on reaching this milestone Ulises. Well done. Now the real fun begins? edmay, Ulises Victoria, CaptainSteve and 1 other 4 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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