Chasseur Posted January 1, 2017 Author Share #211 Posted January 1, 2017 Thanks Patrick! Stay tuned as more to come early in 2017. Jeff Omega1234 1 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share #212 Posted January 4, 2017 Yesterday and today I thought about building a scale figure for on deck to ensure everything « I model is in scale and within reason. First off I needed to build a micro chisel and a micro carving knife. The chisel I built from a sewing needle and the knife from a broken off piece of razor blade. See below! Number 11 exacto knife for scale comparison. I then mulled around and stewed in the cave trying to figure out what to do. Following ideas came up: Carve a figure from a matchstick Carve a figure from a pencil lead Sculpt a figure from Sculpy III clay Then it dawned on me. I`ll make one from paper and then paint it. I photocopied a figure from a file a Gent in the UK had sent to me free of charge. His scale was 1:250 so I halved it on the photocopier then halved it again to get to my scale. My figure scaled in at a 6` tall German sailor weighing in it at 195 lbs. all muscle when painted up LOL. First shot shows the paper figure glued to another piece of paper for bulk. I reinforced the figure with cyano to make it easier to carve. Once I carved it to spec I painted the body a merchant marine uniform blue, flesh for face, white tee shirt underneath and black boots. See below. Figure is 1.5 mm tall. For my first attempt I`d rate this figure at a 7 out of 10. When you view it with the naked eye it`s pretty convincing at this scale. I know I can do better with some practice. Some quick comments. I tried to paint with acrylics but they dried out way to quickly. Switched to enamels which seemed better but bulked up a bit too much for my liking. I will probably go back to acrylics and add an inhibitor in to slow paint drying time down or I might try artists oils for kicks. I attached a photograph to show how I am going to model some sailors on a yard taking in the sheet before the storm hits as the Preussen will be modeled before the wind rounding the Horn. See below. Also attached is an article if anyone is interested in making their own micro chisels from scratch. Making_Small_Tools_Tutorials.pdf More to come ... Jeff JesseLee, IgorSky, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share #213 Posted January 5, 2017 A little work on the Forecastle/deck area. Got some decking on and railings installed. Fiddly work just the same. First shot below is a dime to show scale. I still have to scrap some paint off of the port holes. Amazing what the camera picks up! Next two shots are just for kicks ... Jeff IgorSky, Tadeusz43, cog and 8 others 11 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted January 6, 2017 Share #214 Posted January 6, 2017 Hi Jeff Wow! Your idea for making your little man is just brilliant. I think I may just nick that idea.... Chasseur, cog and mtaylor 3 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share #215 Posted January 6, 2017 Thanks Patrick. Yes by all means use any ideas here or elsewhere as this is the way here at MSW to share ideas, methodologies and different ways of doing things. Glad you like the little sailor. I hope to improve my technique on making figures at this scale as I am always learning. Have a good day mate! Jeff cog, Piet, JesseLee and 2 others 5 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted January 9, 2017 Share #216 Posted January 9, 2017 WOW, Jeff! It's just incredible! Bravo! Omega1234, Chasseur, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share #217 Posted January 9, 2017 Thanks Igor greatly appreciated! Piet, Omega1234, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 9, 2017 Share #218 Posted January 9, 2017 All can say is.. I'm in awe. Landlubber Mike, JesseLee, Piet and 3 others 6 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted January 10, 2017 Share #219 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Hi Jeff Thanks for the compliment about being inspired, and thanks for the article about making carving tools and miniature chisels. Your desk is looking very appealing I like the tray idea as well as the leather apron. And very neat way to do the little man. Michael Edited January 10, 2017 by michael mott IgorSky, Chasseur, Piet and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share #220 Posted January 10, 2017 Thanks Mark for the fine comment greatly appreciated! Michael thanks for your comments and as always I learn something from you and... hopefully the article will be of great use to you. Jeff mtaylor, IgorSky, Piet and 1 other 4 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMS Bellisle Posted January 22, 2017 Share #221 Posted January 22, 2017 how goes the progress? Omega1234, Piet and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share #222 Posted January 23, 2017 Slow right now. Working on the two port and starboard running lights and reflectors on the forecastle. Built the bases for the lights out of 1.5 mm O.D. Brass pipe. Turned the domes for the lights on the mini lathe. I'll post some pictures when the lights and reflectors are done, painted, and mounted on the deck. Had a bunch of chores to do from the Admiral's checklist to knock off so hobby time was limited this weekend. Thanks for asking ... Jeff Piet, JesseLee, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 23, 2017 Share #223 Posted January 23, 2017 Fantastic work Jeff......I can appreciate your ingenious methods......Your home made lathe appears to be set up for a left handed worker. Love that Great Republic picture.....places just in the right place to give you inspiration. Your build is coming along nicely. Rob Chasseur, Piet, Omega1234 and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share #224 Posted January 24, 2017 Thanks Rob and you are right about the lathe I am a South Paw! Omega1234, mtaylor and Piet 3 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 24, 2017 Share #225 Posted January 24, 2017 I own a smaller Dremel lathe I rarely ever use...I might set it up in my workshop and use it for turning masts. Rob mtaylor, Chasseur, Piet and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share #226 Posted February 4, 2017 A brief update. I am onto detailing the forecastle area. The first photograph shows what I am trying to achieve end game. How much detail I stuff into this small area will be a treat. Fabrication of the two reflectors port and starboard are built and installed. I am now working on the clearance marker lights which are located right behind the reflectors. I also have the two chicken coups built as well. Picture shows one just behind the ladder from deck to castle. Next shot is of me turning the dome part of the marker light. 1.5mm brass here. Next two shots are port and starboard reflectors respectively. Next shot is a special tool I made for sanding and profiling the dome after I glued it to 1.5mm brass pipe. I had this old handle used for a hacksaw that I can't get a blade for so now it's a new tool. I used pipe to glue the dome onto as it has a hollow for the toothpick to stick into as a holder. Next shot is a dome glued onto the pipe. Also is a notch filed into the pipe to show where the glass cover is that protects the electric light inside the dome as on the real ship. Next two shots show the fabrication process of the lower ring being formed from soft wire Copper-Extra Fine W-C-XF. Last shot shows the wire glued into position. "GS Hypo Cement works wonders here." Dome glued to pipe and wire glued to lower part of dome. Notice the notch below the ring? That's it for now. Jeff hexnut, mtaylor, captainbob and 10 others 13 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted February 4, 2017 Share #227 Posted February 4, 2017 Hey Jeff Now, that's almost microscopic! Tiny in size, but huge in achievement! What's more, it's great to see you getting back to the building process, again. I'm looking forward to more updates. All the best. Cheers Patrick. cog, Piet, Chasseur and 3 others 6 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted February 5, 2017 Share #228 Posted February 5, 2017 Very nice Jeff, by the way I have about 25 miles of some AWG 42 copper wire if you need a foot or two Michael Omega1234, mtaylor, cog and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted February 5, 2017 Author Share #229 Posted February 5, 2017 Thanks Patrick and Michael for the kind comments. Wow 25 miles of wire,,, now that is one cache! Jeff mtaylor, Omega1234 and cog 3 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted February 5, 2017 Share #230 Posted February 5, 2017 Well it is only .0029 in diameter a pound of it goes a long way. Michael cog, mtaylor, Chasseur and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted February 5, 2017 Share #231 Posted February 5, 2017 Jeff, Marvelous work, I'm glad you build at a scale you can still get something on screen with the aid of a camera. Cheers IgorSky, mtaylor, Chasseur and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share #232 Posted February 6, 2017 Thanks Carl it's really not that bad. One thing though at this scale any imperfections really show up with the camera but as Rob W. says paint hides a multitude of sins. Jeff Piet, cog, Omega1234 and 2 others 5 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted February 6, 2017 Share #233 Posted February 6, 2017 You can still register those ?... i.e. imperfections. It is hard enough to see the item, let alone its finish, or one of the subparts. Still I'm glad you are at it again! P.s. love the workbench Omega1234, Chasseur, IgorSky and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share #234 Posted February 13, 2017 Today I spent a little time on the marker lights but focused more on test fitting the seas and test fitting the hull. I made a few decisions on moving forward. I decided to build the model “Ralph Preston style” so I can get more detail into the model regarding the running rigging etc. Each of the 5 masts will be inserted separately moving from stern to stem one at a time. This way I can reduce the amount of lines to mess with coming out of the bottle neck so each mast, yards, rigging etc. are in modules. I had to build a special insertion tool today to test fit the upper deck section of the hull to the lower part of hull as there are two parts to this hull build. Tool fits into hole where bowsprit goes. So there will be no folding masts utilizing the Hinkley hinge as most builders tend to do. The build will take longer however I am in no rush whatsoever. So that's it... Steady as she goes! Jeff IgorSky, michael mott, Landlubber Mike and 5 others 8 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted February 13, 2017 Share #235 Posted February 13, 2017 Amazing!..How you do it is besides me...... Working through that little opening. Heah..I found a ship in a bottle in an antique shop the other day...I think it is the Charles W Morgan...there is a whale along side the ship splashing. What do you think? IgorSky, Tadeusz43, michael mott and 8 others 11 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted February 13, 2017 Share #236 Posted February 13, 2017 Amazing work Jeff, I like the fact that you need to build special tool in order to accomplish certain aspects of this work. Michael mtaylor, Omega1234 and IgorSky 3 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted February 13, 2017 Share #237 Posted February 13, 2017 Hi Jeff I'm with Michael and Carl on this one. How you're able to fashion new tools and also work within that confined space is mind boggling. You may not be in a hurry to finish her though, but I'm keen as mustard to see it all done quick smart! I must repeat to myself over and over - "Patience, patience, patience...!" Cheers Patrick Landlubber Mike, IgorSky, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share #238 Posted February 13, 2017 Thank-you Gentleman for peeking in. @ Rob - Nice model a great find! Thanks for posting it's an encouragement to me. @ Michael - yes making the tools are not an option I am afraid but rewarding just the same* @ Patrick - All in due time and yes patience is the key here! Jeff IgorSky, JesseLee, Omega1234 and 2 others 5 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted February 13, 2017 Share #239 Posted February 13, 2017 I thought of you Jeff...when I saw her in the shop....Just had to have it for the bath decore. I'm all about nautical(Good authentic nautical) Rob Chasseur, Omega1234 and mtaylor 3 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share #240 Posted February 14, 2017 Rob, Is that a figure of McKay on top of McCann's book? Omega1234 and mtaylor 2 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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