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The Brig Oneida was built in New York City around 1809, and Brig Syren was built in Philadelphia in 1803. The Brown brothers opened their own shipyard also in New York City around 1809, on Long Island right around what we now call the Financial district. The Brown brothers had worked for some time constructing houses, then along the way got into ship building. Also this would be the same location where those gunboat remains were found under the rubble from the collapsed World Trade towers. History isn't saying anything that I can find, but I suspect that Noah and Adam Brown started ship building with the Oneida project. Armed with experience from Oneida and drawings of Syren, America got Brig Niagara and Brig Eagle. -
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Hello everyone. I haven't forgotten about this project, despite some inconvenient changes in circumstances. I've had to temporarily shelve Brig Eagle because of change in housing situation and many of my tools had to be put in storage for a few months. However, I am still doing lots of research and making frame templates for this model to work on once housing situation improves. Lately, I've been doing additional comparisons of different ships, this time the American brigs Syren and Oneida. Syren seems more like Brig Eagle in deck layout and overall hull contours (even though Eagle is 20 ft longer than Syren and Syren was a deep water hull with additional deck like European ships HMS Blandford and Le Cygne discussed in Post 41), whereas Oneida would be more followed for rigging and was also a "shallow draft" hull design with just only berthing deck and gun deck like the Eagle was and Niagara. However, I found one article interesting about Oneida saying she was a slow performer under sail, I am guessing that she may have been top heavy for a ship her size. Will have to do more digging around work schedules. Brian D
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Very impressive CAD drawings of the deck gear used on Cape during her Navy days. A lot of detail, going to be fun to see how the scaled equipment turns out. As for the location of the control box, my personal opinion is it looks less out of way of operations being in front the motor between those two large white wheels instead of the offset position. This is incredibly cool. Brian D
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On the real ship would this support structure be the forward magazine? Looks almost the right place for such a room. Making good progress, Ben. Brian D
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Again I find another interesting blog way too late. You guys brought up many interesting views. The iron pigs mentioned have an interesting history as you well know and document. They are poorly smelted iron often poured into molds in the ground and would get very brittle after cooling. The pigs often measured about the same dimensions as Limber boards and weighed up to 92 lbs each. On my model of Brig Eagle, she is said to have been filled with iron pieces like the ones pictured. It's not sure how much a ship like the Eagle would have carried in the form of ballast. I've seen estimates that the Brigs Eagle and Niagara may well have weighed twice as much as the current Niagara in Lake Erie despite modifications like engines. Using the mentioned calculations of the limber boards, the distance between the masts measured 42 feet enabling 14 boards each side between masts, which comes out to one and a quarter tons just for that space. Brian D:)
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I received this kit close to the same time that you did. Haven't started constructing her yet with issues involving my Brig Eagle project, but also am wanting to attempt scratch build a similar design off the same plans. Will be following this with interest. Brian D
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Nice progress on this ship model and blog, Chris!! Those frames look well made in all directions. Question - for the water channels you have, did you use a router/Dremel to cut those out or did you make those with a table saw?? Brian D
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Once again, like usual, I am late to the party on a fascinating model and blog. Ab, you have made another beautiful model, I've never tried modeling with card personally. Seeing the ketch version of same ship would be really cool to me as those rigs were so rare and unique. My condolences with the many others here about the loss of extended family and your friend. Druxey, this is great news to hear about your co-writing this book about the Stuart yachts. I have Ab's book about the Dutch cargo yachts of that time and was wondering if there was going to come a civilian/VIP version even if there is scant information available. I have long admired ships such as Mary and the Utretch. So many similarities in deck layouts and some internal features yet so many differences as well, especially length of the hull. An old book I have printed in Dutch about one of the statenjachts being built as a scale model, this one measured 79 ft long (which was recorded as a standard size of many such vessels) whereas the diving expedition to remains of Mary estimate her to be only 52 ft long. Those designs of that era are beautifully made, too bad so much history and information was either destroyed or never recorded. I look forward to this book of yours being published.
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I know this likely isn't what you have in mind for displaying your model ships, but I saw these and the idea looks very interesting and has potential with larger models. https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/besta-shelf-unit-with-glass-doors-black-brown-sindvik-black-brown-clear-glass-s49047666/#content Got an email about this company that may be worth be checking out as well https://www.grandpascabinets.com/ Brian D
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I have been tempting over the possibility of starting own hobby store business in greater Denver area with a strong emphasis on ship building and hobby woodworking in general. Would also include woodburning for making kits and potentially a 3D printer. I admit that I don't know anything about CNC which some people have been making incredible items using. With permission would like to partner with certain individuals selling merchandise. Just trying to get a potential feel for clientele and overall feedback about starting up such a business. Brian D
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Interesting process doing the stern decorations with 3D printer, seems making headway. I may not know much about the stern designs of sailing ships from this era that the Christiana was in, but it seems most designs that I've seen in the past were symmetrical both port and starboard - likely for balance reasons and simplicity. Went back and looked at the original drawings of this ship you provided at the beginning of this blog which were less than helpful. Just my two cents. Keep up great progress on this beautiful ship. Brian D
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Gunboat Philadelphia 1776 by tmj
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Even though probably too cold for frogs here in Colorado, I am certain that one of my neighbors has Ribbit's big cousin hanging out by their front door. -
There are many builders on this blog site, including myself, who have little to no scratch-build experience and undertake projects similar to your project and the one I am building slower than evolution. You are progressing nicely with your model, sending encouragement to you. I just hope that I can build a respectable model and like you have lots to learn ahead.
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Phil, glad to hear that my suggestion about the Blue Jacket propeller worked out better than expected. Your progress on Cape is looking great and this has been fun to follow. As for these strips to make the sheathing, would polystyrene be an acceptable material?? This comes in a variety of thicknesses and widths, so I would think easier to work with than cutting plywood like you were mentioning. Brian D
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A blog I followed a while back on here was someone bravely scratch-building a Xebec, I'll have to see if still have that link attached or not. He had a spare anchor strapped solidly to that monkey ladder at the main hatch. I don't know if your plans do the same or not. Brian D
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