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Looks as if nothing changed over the last 20 years

those warped planks: are those perhaps the steamed beech strips? (Recognisable as very flexible strips). Those were a bit wavy in my kit.

For those going to build the model: there is s book on the model in the Amsterdam Rijksmuseum (yes: Corel made a model of a model), written by Herman Ketting. In dutch, but interesting anyway

And the kit makes a nice model: 

(I left out the guns, as they were too many and I didn’t like the looks of them)

Jan

Or turn to card-modelling. There are some good card-models around of ships from thus era (orel/oriel for indtsnce has a couple 1:200 scale, see http://Www.papermodeling.net )

Not for the fainthearted though: quite a number of very small bits and pieces to cut and glue.

Jan

The similarity to the original is stunning. What a master you are!

Hope you will be able to continue your work and share it with us in the comming year(s)

Jan

I don’t know whether you already looked elsewhere, but the eastern half of Eirope is home to some very good builders. There are some very nice card-websites over there.

Jan

Perhaps not finished, but I like the ‘emptyness’ of that last one

Jan

17 minutes ago, Flambeaux said:

Hi Chris,

Love the Fokker E.V and your project. They certainly make a nice model in paper. The nice thing about lozenge camouflage is that it's not on the wing! Have you seen the one in Rhinebeck NY? Flies with a 160 Gnome. Probably more in keeping with what Fokker had in mind for that aeroplane, rather than the UR.II.

Cheers

although some planes had it all over.

http://www.landships.info/landships/models.html#

Jan

I checked: You are right: the bollards and winches were metal, as well as masts and details.

It was the ship boats (wrong size and model), the screws (even worse, as they provided the 3-bladed, large pitched ones for the RC), the nozzles, the bulls eyes and the lifebuoys that were plastic. Evidently, the frustration on the boats is what influenced my memory

(and in their kits of sailing ships, they added ugly plastic blocks and deadeyes)

Jan

Hi Philemon,

Interesting news indeed. Has that research on these drawings been published somewhere, or is it really very new research?

Jan

Ps: billings shows the ship (dating from 1963) in her post 1971-livery. For the older ships I do like the original style better:

Although pre-internet, there are quite a lot of pics (mostly general overview) available, as this one was once the pride of the Dutch tugs: largest and strongest on the seven seas  . On every model-exhibition in the Netherlands there was a separate section ‘zwarte zee’, next to the sections: ‘smit Rotterdam’, Furie and ‘Happy Hunter’

Jan

I guess it is a late seventies/early eighties version. Have been looking at it quite often, but slightly out of my budget (in those days). And once budget was abvailable the shop had the other Smit-tug on offer

I only had (long ago) a paper 1:300 version.

the wood in my kit was not basseood, it was all obechi, a bit dry, a bit brittle (fun to cut the windows  )

With respect to fittings: Billings in those days had almost no ‘specific’ fittings. It was standard railing, standard anchors, standard bollards, standard everything. (And a lot of cheap plastic). Checking on the drawings what you need and just buy/make it is easier than scouting an old box of fittings. 
 

Jan

I can follow your reasoning, but I never saw pictures of Dutch ships showing this setup.

Also, this pic shows the setup as found on many Dutch pics. The only thing I can’t find wether or not Vasa has a gallion-knee that has a hole through which the collar goes, or that it is just around the bowsprit.

But I don’t know how much of the stay-setup survived. Perhaps they vhoose this setup only because of the Dutch pics….

Jan

I don't understand your mainstay setup: in Stockholm, the staycollar is  (as so often in ships of this era) not going into the deck.

see this pic on wiki: The Vasa from the Bow - Vasa (ship) - Wikipedia

Jan

Btw nice Duth Northsea fising vessel.

google hoogaars arnemuiden for some inspiration

jan

And: which BP do you mean: the 2017 yacht, or the three masted pirate ship?

Jan

Hi Phil,

can’t help you on your question, but I would suggest renaming your topic into something more specific: ‘How many sails on Black Pearl’ or something like that. That will trigger a larger response than just ‘sails’

Jan

You can also find a lot of info here:

https://warshipvasa.freeforums.net/
 

It used to be a rather small, active group of vasa-researchers and builders (including Fred Hocker of the vasa-museum). Over the last two years activity died down vompletely, and the last post dates 6 months back.

Still: lots of detailed info hidden over there.

Jan

Better than the original  

Hope you will show us more of your art and wizzardry!

Jan

I have seen e youtube of a fairly large RCmodel of Prins Willem (same period, slightly latger) and it looks ad if the mizzen is set more or less just to please the eye.

It just goes with the wind. Not sure about the spritsails…

Jan
 

Does it help to browse the NMM_collection in Greenwich? Some of the models have the swivel posts installed.

Warship (1741); Sixth rate; Sloop; 24 guns | Royal Museums Greenwich (rmg.co.uk)

(at least, I think those six posts on the poop are swivel posts)

Or have a look at Chucks Winnie: Syren Ship Model Company|Boxwood ship model rigging blocks|Ship Model rigging rope |turned brass cannon| Chuck Passaro

Jan

Nope, google picture search killed the game….

Jan

Hi Valery,

I don't know whether it has been asked earlier, but do you build your models in commission,

do you offer them for sale after finishing, or is this 'only' for your own fun? 

It is certainly great joy for us watching this magnificent model grow.

Jan

How long does the pressire-cartridge last?

Jan

Don't think it is useful to continue this thread: Peter's first post dates 2018, his total post-count is 2, and his last visit to MSW was early 2020.....

The 3D pictures are parts from shapeways: Ships - Shapeways Miniatures

Not a kit, but parts you can use to upgrade your own scratch model

Jan 

Thanks: the version my shop sells is labelled 'heavy', so I think I can deduce which is which

Jan

With respect to the EZ-line: Do you use the thin (0.25mm) or the "thick" (0.5 mm) version?

Jan