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Yes, I know, it is on the design drawings. Hoever, I can't think of any function for it. in the crossection it can be seen that it is kind of and H-profile (and not a small deck) it is not connected to anything inside, and there are two rather large eyelets fastened on top. (On some pics you can see a line going down to these eyes. Jan
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I really don't know. It is not on the Java, a cruiser build in the same period. and yes, it is a non-removable item. perhaps I should go through the wholebunch of drawings available i. The online naval archive.... Jan
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The second pic shows her on the other side in camouflage Maritiemdigitaal has a stunning amoh t of pic of De Ruyter (including many of the build), some during see trials (before the change in the funnel) but none in camouflage.... somediscussions suggest that the camouflage was only added when she entered the combined fleet in the Javazee, but I haven't yet found proof for that. btw: I also haven't any clue of the function of that little platform at the bow.... Jan
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Hi Piet, thanks for the pic. Scaldis has two versions of the kit: one in plain grey, one in camouflage livery. I will not go and try to repaint my grey one into the camouflage version. there are some (but very little) pics of De Ruyter in camouflage. I couldn't find anything definitive on the question whether ornot she steamed into the Javazee with orwithout her camouflage. Jan
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Site down, so time to build. Yesterday I started the skinning of the hull. first the deckhous between the two decks. The difficult thing were the porthole covers. Just over one milimeter in diameter, far smaller than my smalles punch.... edge-colouring proved to be beyond my capabilities. (Luckily there are some spares, breathing is dangerous while cutting these things) next came the first part of the skin. As the point were the skin and the deck meet comes critical, that was the point where I started. Some tweeking of the tabs was needed, as the deck did not quit fit over the part with the tabs. Ithined them at the point of the fold. (The tab looses its function by that, but the deck proved thick enough for theglue to hold. The skin proved slightly too long. (So: I shouldn't have shortened the deck, but actually enlarged the part with the tabs, the pic is of thestartboardpart bedore shortening, to getan idea of the'overlength) next came the front part. After some deliberation, and reading in other buildlogs, I decided to do the hawseholes first. (Luckily, the other buildorder wouldhave proved almost impossiblefor me). I tried to open the hole, but that was nogreat succes. Themess onthe backside, but the outside looks Ok. There will be a part over the gap around the hawsehole (it is in the lasercutted set, but I not add that yet, as it needs to be painted, and I don't have yetfound thenestcolour mix) The other side has two. Fun Next the attachment of the skin on the hull. The first front frames turned outsignificantly smaller than the deck. So I redid them using 160-grams card. (I could justglue them over the existing ones, no need to cut the redundant tabs away). Amidships the frames were slightly wider than the deck, so I cutthe tabs away and replaced them with a wooden strip (matchstick actually). Here the results: Nextthe skin. The edge colouring wasn't uto standard, so somewhite shows trough. the skin didn't take the inward curvature like I would have liked. Problem is that that part annot be reached from the inside. finally (this afternoon) the remainder went on. Itturned out too long. All in all I shortened the skinparts by a centimeter. That ismore than the 4 mm leftover the kits provides for. Luckily thecut didn't go through a porthole :). Next the ship got some weight on it to prevent it twisting while the glue hardens. Notime tomorrow, so,thenext update willtake some time. Jan
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At first glance Ithought it was a picture. Silly me.....:) Jan
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What type of CA do you use? I only know the thin, rather slow setting glue in nasty little tubes. Jan
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Todays wether wasn't that good, so the planned day out turned out to be a short day.....on the bright side: some building time. the superstructure turned out relatively OK ( the rounded side of the deck slighly oversized, so i was short of .5mm. Used a spare piece to fill in. Viewed without close-up lense it is passable next up: strip around the fore deck. Around 1.5 mm wide, 5 cm long. glued in three pieces (starting from the centre) it covers the ugly paper edge of the deck. I still need to add the column under the deck. And another trying part (at least, for me..,) close-ups should be forbidden.....;) it looks pretty OK in real life, as do those 4mm hatches for the coal bunkers. Jan
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Oh, an I forgot one: patience. I tend to let go before the glue fully grabs. that increases the problem Jan
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Yeah, that is what Ithinktoo, but the hawseholes are not simple holes in thehull. They are that 'box-like indentations in the hull, to be glued to the hull with four little tabs.... Jan
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Hi Dan, The framing card is just under 1 mm thick, making the laminated card just over 1 mm thick. There is no probl m there. (In my other build, the framing card is a bit thin: same thickness as the other parts). Thicker card would not have prevented this: there is no frame where the hull cracked. the other points you make are my learning points here. (And no, you don't sound toocritical: it is more 'factual') one learning point is the (handling) of glue: the waterbased glue softens the paper (and it loosens the colour layer). That's what happened here: too much glue, sofftening of the tabs, therefore the gap didn't close. I thought that a little more pressure would close the gap, but I put too much pressure on... but as I said: it is my first of this type of model, so it is intended as a practice model. perhaps I should redo it after I finish this version. Jan
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I got the deck closed, but unfortunatedly, the pressure needed for that made the hull crack (just under the glueing tab attached to the hull) and I will redo the superstructure. The parts are ready, but the paint on the deck edge needs to dry before I start gluing (waterbased glue, so it will not grab on a wet / damp surface) both decks are rounded the same way, so I hope that there will be no twisting this time. No building time tomorrow, so plenty of drying time Jan
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At one a day, your house must be filled to the attic with these ships! Or do you sell? jan
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It always looks so simple when other people show their magnificent progress. So here is one to cheer you less-gifted modellers up when closing the hull on the other side, it provd that I had 1.5 mm short. I printed the part again to cut a piece of the required length. Guess what: my printer gave an other colour, but next to my not-so-well-executed paint job, it doen't matter too much more of a problem was the first oart of the superstructure. In his tutorial Chris showed how it should look. Well, this is how it turned out. as the base and top floor were severely out of line, this part will be scrapped. Hope my printer will provide me with something comparable... and finally: the front deck: the first tabs are glued, but I am not quite sure how to procede. (And on this macro I see the next problem coming: the tabs are not lined up properly.... Well, it is only intended as a practice model Jan
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And the weight to keep the deck down. The cardboard is struglling a bit with the weight, but I need it, toget the deck more or less flat. (Although I already noticed with the back-deck that some unevenness remains. it turned out that some (not all) of the frames were slightly wider that the deck, and that there was a very, very slight lengthwise curvature in the hull. So I will need to tweak around a bit with those flaps to get the skin and deck without any gaps. Next up: some edge painting of the decks. (After the glue is dry, so I guess that Ishould take a break for now) (I could switch to one of my other builds, though..;) ) Jan
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More tabs more weight and a workable flat deck Now thinking over the skinning procedure: the skin goes over lengthwise: stern sction, bow-section, and finally a midship section, that has some margin for error (3 mm ) fun thing is: the stern and bow need to be formed: at the waterline they meet at an angle, at deck level they meet without angle. The sternsection is curved inward, the bow should kind of 'fan out'. There are, hoever no slits cut into the skin to help forming. besides: in the bow section, exactly in the place were curvature is largest, the skin need to be cut where the hawse holes (three of them) need to come. The instruction says: first skinning, next placing these hawseholes, but i cant get to the backside of them after the skin goes on. Cutting the hole before skinning perhaps will cause the skin to kink instead of curve while forming, so i contemplate over the order of appearance I will keep you informed Jan
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Hi Danny, it is tabs all over. Doing away with them is a bit tricky, so I will try to live with it. I dont like this design: there is no way of checking the length of the frames: the frames did not exactly match the bottom piece. Untill the skins goes on you dont know. By that time, there is no way of correcting....... jan
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What is a kit without problems? I ran into the first one, and the instructions are not helpfull: the gluetabs are not attached to the deck, but on a separate layer, to be glued under the deck. But it didn't match up: is the deck wider than de hull, is the deckpart too wide, the tab-part to small, the deck too long, or the underlayer too short. I don't know, so i just glued it to the underside. This however did't look good, so i ripped it off again. (Ouch, the glue sets pretty quick). Ishortened the deck by about 1.5 mm, and now they under and upper part seem to match up. I hope the gluing/regluing does not result in a deckthat is very uneven..... and now for thebottom part. The instructions say: attach to flat underground, glue togetehr, and glue frames on top. Yeah....:) Jan
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Piet asked me in an other thread whether I would build her pre WW-Ii or like she was in the war. Actually, I don't know which year the kit takes as a reference. De Ruyter had over a very short period of her already short existence a camouflage-print (in dark green and grey). Scaldis also had this camouflage version, but I don't know whether this greylivery. Depicted in my kit predates this camouflage or isthe 'post-camouflage' version. I know for sure that it is not depicted 'as build', because the kit shows the modified funnel. Ihave not searched for other clues yet. and now for this mornings progress. cutting, folding, gluing. t in the last pic you can see another twisting: both bow and stern are two pieces, flaps folded outward, and than glued back to back. Although glued under heavy weight, folded along a steel ruler, the final piece had some twisting. I hope to correct this wen the bottom and top pieces are installed. I like the length to breadth ratio of these cruisers: less than 1:10, just over 6 cm wide, and 70 centimeters long. Definitely more elegant than the large battleships of the period. (The same holds for the two other dutchcruiserrs of the same period: Java and Sumatra) Jan
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And a neatly folded cardbox is surprisingly strong: see how much weight Danny put o on that deck. Jan
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Hi Piet, I will build her 'out of the box', but scaldis does not mention which date they use as reference. So..I can't answer your question.... jan
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I did the backbone, it is almost straight, and not too heavily twisted. that is the problem using this constructionmethod, any folding-errors, however minute create a twist inthis backbone. and I cut out part of the frames that have to slot over the centra beam. Jan
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Thanks. The pic was taken at sundown, almost against the sun.... Jan
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