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Finding a good copy of Sutherland has always been difficult. The ECHO – Cultural Heritage Online website has his 1711 and 1717 editions in images (tedious, but if someone really was bored each image can be downloaded and assembled into the final book). I don't recall if the plates were present in these versions. I have found the 1748 edition on Google Books, however it suffers the same issues as most of the digitized volumes with fold out plates distorted or not scanned in full. Sutherland, William. 1748. Marine Architecture: Or, the Ship-Builder’s Assistant: Containing Directions for Carrying on a Ship, from the First Laying of the Keel, to Her Actual Going to Sea, Etc. [With a Folding Plate.]. W. & J. Mount & T. Page. https://books.google.com/books?id=57BWAAAAcAAJ. There have been a few reprints made during the 1980"s and 90's and a few "print on demand" versions which are difficult to use (printed to smal size rather than original size, and plates also greatly reduced). Bruzelius (see topic on his site) has some extracts from Sutherland which may be useful, and there was an interesting article some years back in The Northern Mariner looking at developing the drawings for a ship based on Sutherland ( Kenchington, Trevor John. 1993. “The Structures of English Wooden Ships: William Sutherland’s Ship, circa 1710.” The Northern Mariner 3 (1): 1–43. Lastly, for those interested, the Mariner's Mirror had an article about Sutherland which may be of interest. Mallagh, Cris. 2014. “Some Aspects of the Life and Career of William Sutherland.” The Mariner’s Mirror 100 (1): 17–28. https://doi.org/10.1080/00253359.2014.866372.

@uss frolick Thanks - I purchased the Cain book today on that site named for a river (under $12 with shipping). I actually have a PDF copy of Crisman's Coffins of the Brave (available at his page on Academia.edu). I have done a fairly deep dive seeking more but it appears most are only in unpublished manuscript form at the Hamilton Scourge website, which is woefully uninformative. I was able to obtain the 2009 ACUA Underwater Archaeology Proceedings via their website (free pdf). i may be able to glean some info from that as there are several articles listed in Crisman. I'll keep you posted if I can find anything.

It is getting a tad late so I must absent myself from the computer for the evening. Will continue the search in the morning. Let me leave you, though, with a couple of teasers. First, a "virtual tour". http://1812tour.hamilton.ca/hamilton_scourge.html There are an impressive number of photographs apparently available through the project. It appears that Brandy Lockhart of Parks Canada may be the "go to" person. Lockhart, Brandy M., Jonathan Moore and Robert Clarke, 2009 New Insights into the Nautical Archaeology of the Hamilton and Scourge. ACUA Underwater Archaeology Proceedings 2009, Erika Laanela and Jonathan Moore, editors, pp. 173-180. Advisory Council on Underwater Archaeology. Also see the information in the attached thesis extract. Kopp, Nadine. 2012. “The Influence of the War of 1812 on Great Lakes Shipbuilding.” MA Thesis, East Carolina Univeristy. https://thescholarship.ecu.edu/handle/10342/3839. Extracted pages from Kopp_ecu_0600M_10625.pdf This next one offers little new, but may provide an additional contact. McAllister, Michael. 2009. “Museum under the Waves: Preserving and Interpreting the Hamilton and Scourge National Historic Site of Canada.” In ACUA Underwater Archaeology Proceedings, 2009. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323704276_McAllister_-_Museum_091201. I am debating on purchasing the books by Crisman and Cain - any advice, Stephen? Ps. It was interesting to see your description of the Wasp/Reindeer engagement compared to that offered by TR. Rather flattering, eh? Crawford, Michael J. 2002. “The Lasting Influence of Theodore Roosevelt’s Naval War of 1812.” International Journal of Naval History 1 (1). http://www.ijnhonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/pdf_crawford.pdf. Footnote #9.

Kevin Crisman of TAMU is Author of "Coffins of the Brave" . Here are the 2 books Sir Frolick mentioned: Cain, Emily. 1983. Ghost Ships: Hamilton and Scourge : Historical Treasures from the War of 1812. Toronto; New York: Musson ; Beaufort Books. Crisman, Kevin James, ed. 2014. Coffins of the Brave: Lake Shipwrecks of the War of 1812. First edition. Ed Rachal Foundation Nautical Archaeology Series in Association with the Institute of Nautical Archaeology and the Center for Maritime Archaeology and Conservation. College Station: Texas A&M University Press. https://www.academia.edu/9802517/Coffins_of_the_Brave_-_Introduction.

I shall dig into my files and see what leads I can find.

Check with your local library to see what they use.

There may be some information in the following which documents the restoration of the ECB in 1969 Ansel, Willits Dyer. 1973. Restoration of the Smack Emma C. Berry at Mystic Seaport, 1969-1971. Mystic, Conn: Marine Historical Association. ISBN 978-0-913372-08-1

While perusing the available theses at the East Carolina University (as I am wont to do on occasion), I came across these three which, individually, may appeal to some of you. Brenkle, Matthew P. 2004. “Blue Jackets and White Trousers: British and American Sailor Clothing, 1750-1815.” Thesis, East Carolina University. https://thescholarship.ecu.edu/handle/10342/6615. Green, Catherine M. 2003. “Nineteenth-Century North American Figureheads from the Mariners’ Museum Collection: A Historical Overview, and a Study of Twenty-Two Carvings in the Museum’s Collection.” Thesis, East Carolina University. https://thescholarship.ecu.edu/handle/10342/6622. Panico, Michele. 2018. “Hammock: A Maritime Tool.” Masters, East Carolina University. https://thescholarship.ecu.edu/handle/10342/7036. Please let me know if you have any questions (or are seeking information of a specific type - you never know what I may have in my somewhat eclectic collection).

For those with an interest in the 1794 version reprinted in the original size, DN Goodchild offers the following: Hardcover Elephant Folio STEEL'S ELEMENTS OF MASTMAKING, SAILMAKING AND RIGGING edited by Claude S. Gill A reprint of the 1794 edition with five very large pocketed plates. An essential reference to the ship modeler and all who love early square rig. Every conceivable aspect of rigging and sails is covered here, including a number of tables for the dimensions of the standing and running rigging. There is also an excellent section with very fine engravings of all known types of sailing vessels at the time; including many that are rare indeed, and many from Asia and the Pacific. Those of you who read and treasure Patrick O'Brien will find this work a ready reference for rig and ship types. First published in 1794. Publisher's Note: Our reprint restores the Elephant Folio (11" X 17") sizing of the original volume which was reduced in the 1932 reprint which has been out of print for some years. Arranged, with an introduction by Claude S. Gill, 300 pages, $65.00

Another stunning model - great job!

Sorry abut that, guys. I corrected the original links and while I was doing that our Friend Chapman provided the links as well. Oops?

I came across these fairly recent additions to the US Navy Naval History & Heritage Command collections and thought some of you may find them of interest. Crawford, Michael J. 2017. Officers of Peculiar Skill: Petty and Forward Officers of the U.S. Navy, 1797–1860. Washington, D.C: Naval History and Heritage Command. Corrected Link: https://www.history.navy.mil/content/dam/nhhc/research/publications/Peculiar Skill.pdf ———. 2019. Sea Stories: Forays into American Naval History During the Age of Sail. Washington, D.C: Naval History and Heritage Command. Corrected Link: https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/research/publications/publications-by-subject/sea-stories.html

That may take some digging! Have you, by any chance, any of the editions of Laughton, L.G. Carr Old Ship Figureheads and Sterns London: Halton & Truscott Smith, LTD., 1925? I believe there is a recent (2006, 2012) Dover reprint available. The 1925 editions are rather pricey on the second hand market ranging from $60 to over $400. There may be a bit more history in there. Good luck!

Simpson, George. 1914. The Naval Constructor: A Vade Mecum of Ship Design for Students, Naval Architects, Shipbuilders and Owners, Marine Superintendents, Engineers and Draughtsmen. New York, D. Van Nostrand Company; [etc., etc.]. http://archive.org/details/navalconstructor00simprich.

Here on the easternmost coast of the Us in Downeast Maine I awaken each moring to ascertain the conditions by gazing from my window to see it Canada (about a mile away) is in view across the bay. If not, it either foggy, raining or (shiver) snowing. This week we have had a brief but intense storm woth wind of 44 gusting to 62. Temperatures, alas, are falling rapidly - 70's a week back to barely above freezing in the forecast for today. My poor remaining petunias may finally surrender to the chilling effects - thus far, though, they have been persistent through short freezes and a light snow event which coated them overnit=ght before the temperature, schizophrenic and confused, rebounded into the mid 60's that same day.

Welcome to MSW. I have recently been reading Friel, Ian. 1995. The Good Ship: Ships, Shipbuilding and Technology in England, 1200-1520. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press. While it is slightly before the period of interest, he offers some wonderful information that you may find useful. Also see the research guide here for a brief introduction to Royal Naval Dockyards and the records of each dockyard held by the National Maritime Museum, followed by a selected bibliography of books in the Museum Library. I will need to do some further digging to see what I have for later periods. All the best -

Looking sharp! Nice job so far.

Welcome aboard! Which schooner are you building and what scale are the plans?

Bill - I came across this listing of model steamboat plans available from John Fryant - includes the Mt. Washington as well as an email address. You may be able to reach him directly for info. johnfryant-postatsteamboats.pdf

Unfortunately, the search and index tools from the CD version won't work on my 64bit Windows 10 machine. I will pull out one of my semi-retired Windows 7 32 bit machines later today and see what I can find for you.

I stumbled across this PhD Dissertation while seeking out something entirely different. The author takes a very deep dive into the Napoleanic era looking specifically at the Portsmouth shipyard but also the broader political, financial and organizational issues of the time. Exceptional compilation of statistical information on numbers and types of vessels, manpower, shipyard staffing and resource consumption and much much more. Even for the model builder, there may be some handy tidbits to consume. Plenty of tables and figures (so not all 343 pages are text.) I am still reading it in my spare time and find her writing style easy to digest. Wilkin, Felicity Susan. 1999. “The Application of Emerging New Technologies by Portsmouth Dockyard 1790-1815.” Phd, The Open University. http://oro.open.ac.uk/58009/. Here is one figure as an appetizer!

Beautiful work so far on the planking - each of my current bulds has ground to a screeching halt as i continue to struggle getting my 2D mind to grasp 3D bends and curves! I'll be watching to see how you handle some of the curves - and hopefully I can apply the tecchniques to my builds.

Not work at all! The compilation and assessment of resource information is a hobby for me which grew out of my enjoymment of making small pieces of wood from larger pieces to then assemble into larger pieces. Here are a couple to get you started. Rasor, Eugene L. 2004. English/British Naval History to 1815: A Guide to the Literature. Greenwood Publishing Group. Rasor offers an extremely comprehensive assemblage of materials which may prove useful. Arranged topically, the 4,124 entries each include a brief commentary as well as extensive topical narratives for each section. From this you should be able to find items of interest. One downside is the lack of contemporary treatises (that is, written during the time period of interest). Goodwin, Peter. 1987. The Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War, 1650-1850. Annapolis, Md: Naval Institute Press. This book offers a deep dig into the construction and fitting out of a British warship - exceptionally detailed drawings and thoroughly researched. For more general info, there are many e-documents available as well. Brassey, Thomas. 1882. The British Navy: It’s Strength, Resources and Administration. Volume III - Opinions on the Shipbuilding Policy of the Navy. Vol. 3. 3 vols. London: Longmans, Green and Company. http://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.284950. Clowes, William Laird, and Clements R. (Clements Robert) Markham. 1897. The Royal Navy, a History from the Earliest Times to the Present Volume 1. Vol. I. London : S. Low, Marston. http://archive.org/details/royalnavyhistory01clowuoft. Hervey, Frederic. 1779. The Naval History of Great Britain: From the Earliest Times to the Rising of the Parliament in 1779. Describing, Particularly, the Glorious Atchievements in the Last War. Also the Lives and Actions of Illustrious Commanders and Navigators. Vol. 2. 5 vols. W. Adlard. James, William. 1886. The Naval History of Great Britain, from the Declaration of War by France in 1793, to the Accession of George IV : A New Ed., with Additions and Notes, Bringing the Work down to 1827. Vol. 1. Vol. 1. London : R. Bentley. http://archive.org/details/navalhistoryofg01jame. Ralfe, James. 1820. The Naval Chronology of Great Britain; Or, An Historical Account of Naval and Maritime Events from the Commencement of the War in 1803 to the End of the Year 1816 ... Whitmore and Fenn. Winfield, Rif. 2007. British Warships in the Age of Sail, 1714-1792: Design, Construction, Careers and Fates. St. Paul, Minn: Seaforth Publishing / MBI Publishing Co. ———. 2008. British Warships in the Age of Sail, 1793-1817: Design, Construction, Careers and Fates. 2nd rev. ed. Barnsley [England]: Seaforth Pub. These two Winfield volumes offer some wonderful information about many of the classes (and individual members of each class) warships during the subject timeframe. He has more, I believe, extending the coverage. Hopefully, that is enough to get you started! Good luck and please feel free to let me know if there is something special you are seeking.

Your question -and the time period of interest - are broad, to say the least! Are you interested in the design, building methods, performance, manning, equipping, feeding, handling, careers &c? Zu Mondfeld is a handy reference though not universally applicable for your time period. Also, the difference between English and French or Dutch or Iberian could be (and was) significant. Let me see what I might offer after I get my first cup of coffee.

WHile I am not sure if it will meet your needs (or be too complex in what it does), there is a free FREE free program which I have been using for some time to catalogue and index my resources (print, websites, images, downloadable articles/books and so on). https://www.zotero.org/ Here is a screenshot of my install (currently contains some 2,100 entries).