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How old is the dock the Victory is berthed within? For reference, Drydock 1 in the Charleston, MA (USA) dates to about 1815 and is more than large enough for the Constitution, so likely large enough for a first rate. If the early US had one of that size, I am quite sure Britainia did.
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Hull bottom paint/colour used in 1812 era
trippwj replied to TGHill's topic in Nautical/Naval History
No need for copper plating on the lakes as no Teredo "worms" (actually a mollusc). As to the color, I doubt there was a standard. Possibly just a heavy tarring to help seal the wood, but given the added expense of painting (pigment) probably left natural. -
I am looking forward to another build by Sjors the musician! Greetings to you & Anja!!
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I came across the item below recently and though it may be of insterst to some - Anonymous. 1813. A Complete List of the American Navy: Showing the Name, Number of Guns, Commanders’ Names, and Station of Each Vessel, with the Names of All the Officers in Service, for October, 1813; and Steel’s List of the Navy of Great Britain, for July, 1813. Russell, Cutler, and Company and J. Belcher. https://books.google.com/books?id=zfw-AAAAYAAJ. 1813 A_Complete_List_of_the_American_Navy.pdf
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Ship Kit Database
trippwj replied to vmwilson1's topic in How to use the MSW forum - **NO MODELING CONTENT**
No problem. I sent him a note on Facebook - will let you know if I hear back. -
Ship Kit Database
trippwj replied to vmwilson1's topic in How to use the MSW forum - **NO MODELING CONTENT**
Contact Adam @skerryamp (the developer) - not sure if he stops by MSW very often these days, though. -
What rigging goes where? Was it standardized?
trippwj replied to Kevin's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Whilst there was a degree of standardization, the bosun (I think, may have been another non-officer) and sailing master had great leeway with where running lines terminated (belaying points), obviously within the physical constraints of the vessel and total rig. Once the landsman learned his way around the vessel, including the riggong, he would "test" for his next rate. If moving to a different ship of same class, there was a shallow learning curve. A different class or size, though, could be quite different. There are no references (official or otherwise) from the period which I am aware of that specified the precise run for a line, but rather specified diameter, blocks, attachment points at fixed end and so forth. -
That looks like the 1919 by Davis. A very good overview but, and this is the key to using any reference, the value depends on the degree of historical accuracy you desire. The higher the level of period accuracy desired, the more important contemporary records and resources become. This is a good reference for general wooden shipbuilding, though not specific to period, nation or vessel.
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Amazing work by you both! Welcome to MSW - I have admired your work for some time, and as I have no artistic ability, enjoy seeing the results of those so endowed.
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Ship model terms in German. Where to find?
trippwj replied to greenstone's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Sorry it took so long - have been recovering from a crashed hard drive (fortunately, I did have a good backup of my databases). Here are a few downloadable dictionaries that may be of use to you (in addition to the members available to support with translation). Neuman, Henry. 1799. A Marine Pocket Dictionary of the Italian, Spanish, Portuguese and German Languages, with an English-French and French-English Index. London: Printed for the author and sold by T. Hurst. http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008895773. Paasch, H. 1885. From Keel to Truck: A Marine Dictionary in English, French and German, Amply Illustrated by Explanatory Diagrams of the Most Important Details for the Use of Ship-Owners ... Antwerp: Ratinckx Frères. http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008909120. Paasch, Heinrich. 1901. “From Keel to Truck” Marine Dictionary in English, French & German... The author. https://books.google.com/books?id=mG_VAAAAMAAJ&. Reehorst, Karel Pieter ter. 1850. The Mariner’s and Merchant’s Polyglot Technical Dictionary of Upwards of Five Thousand Nautical, Steam, and Ship-Building Terms, Commercial and Scientific, in Ten Different Languages, ... with a Precise Explanatory Key to the Pronunciation of These Languages, and a Comparative Table of the Money, Weights and Measures of Sea Ports. London : Williams and Northgate ... http://archive.org/details/gri_33125012932121. -
Ship model terms in German. Where to find?
trippwj replied to greenstone's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Somewhere on this forum I think I shared a link to a German/French(?)/English nautical phrasebook. I don't have access to my digital archive at the moment (time to head off to the paying job) but will check into it tonight if I get the chance -
Roger - The package arrived today. Thank you so much! The Connie disk is indeed extensive engineering drawings from the 1927-31 restoration as well as some from later periods (1984, for example). Many more drawings than available on the CD from the museum. Many thanks!
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This looks fantastic - love these fishing type vessels. Mind if I also follow along?
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Wicked nice looking! The planking on mine has now taken about 4 years (including packing and moving to a new to us house about 3 years ago). I am envious of your success!
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Looking at Crothers, most of those with mast rake given in table 29.1 refer back to reports (contemporary) in the Boston Daily Atlas. Duncan MacLean, over a 7 year period, provided information on some 161 vessels. Mast rakes given in the table by Crothers (main mast, inches of rake in 12 inches) range from "nearly vertical" to 1 1/2" (or about a 7.1 degree rake for the Witch). Note thst there are several with that degree of rake.
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Larger versions of the Chapelle plans may be at the Smithsonian. The MacGregor plans may be available from this catalog: Https://www.ssgreatbritain.org/sites/default/files/kcfinder/files/david-macgregor-ship-plans-collection-july-2013.pdf
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The Boston Daily Atlas is, in general, a very good resource for reasonably accurate descriptions of vessels, taking into account that at least some of the narratives were as much braggadocio (by owner and builder) as factual. The owner may embellish in order to one-up competing owners (and, perhaps, for ego enhancement). The builder may embellish to gain more sales. Either way, newspaper accounts are pretty good references. Chapelle, regrettably, was very lax in his citation of sources used. Howe and Matthews (1986 Dover reprint) provide 4 pages on the ship, though no citations. Some highlights: 220x40x21 and 1498 tons (om) or 997 tons (foreign measurement). The mast rake varied - fore 1 1/4, main 1 1/2 and mizzen 1 3/4 inches to the foot. Also provides mast lengths and so forth. Probably, based on the syntax, from the news article. David MacGregor in The Tea Clippers offers an alternate lines plan and a photo of the model by McNarry. He also uses the 220 foot length (note that Lubbock went with 202 feet) in the text, although the plan uses 202 feet. While the notes on the plan are difficult to read, I could make out that it was based to some degree on that of Chapelle.
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Seawatch is a fairly small company, and usually quite responsive. The owner can frequentky be found on this forum as well.
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Here are a few items which may be of use to you: Brooks, F. W. 1927. “A French Eighteenth-Century Document On The Construction Of Galleys.” The Mariner’s Mirror 13 (3): 238–47. https://doi.org/10.1080/00253359.1927.10655426 Gardiner, Robert, and Richard W. Unger, eds. 1994. Cogs, Caravels, and Galleons: The Sailing Ship, 1000-1650. Conway’s History of the Ship. Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press. Gray, Randal. 1978. “SPINOLA’S GALLEYS IN THE NARROW SEAS, 1599–1603.” The Mariner’s Mirror 64 (1): 71–83. https://doi.org/10.1080/00253359.1978.10659067 Hoving, Ab J. 2014. 17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships: Text, Photos and Plans for the Ship Modeler. Florence, OR: SeaWatch Books. http://www.seawatchbooks.com/114003 Kirsch, Peter. 1990. The Galleon: The Great Ships of the Armada Era. Annapolis, Md.: Naval Institute Press. http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002216432
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I will see what I have that may be of use to you. Are you interested in any particular nation?
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That is correct - the actual length of the spar. The angle from horizontal could be changed to a certain degree, which would change that horizontal measurement. The physical length of the spar, however, remained the same.
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The 1997 is available on Amazon for about $33 US
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The 2018 edition seems to be the one with issues - have you looked for the 1997 or 2000 editions?
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On this date: Dateline: June 30, 1818. Eastport, District of Maine in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. The inhabitants of Moose Island and Eastport assembled under a bright sun and blue sky as General James Miller, representing the President, and Lt. Colonel Henry Sargent, representing the Governor of Massachusetts, met with Lt. R. Gibbon at Fort Sherbrooke. Following the reading of the official orders and exchange of remarks, the British flag was lowered and replaced, after 4 long years of British occupation (naval invasion on July 11, 1814 - fairly significant force assembled) with our own Stars and Stripes, the name of our fort restored to Fort Sullivan, and citizenship restored on the inhabitants (along with our freedom to once more conduct maritime commerce). Following the departure of the remai ing British force on naval ships, festivities and celebrations ensued. Join with us today as we celebrate the 200th anniversary of the restoration of Eastport to the United States. What a great way to start off the cekebration of Canada Day (July 1st) and our National Independence Day on July 4th. Hope to see you there! P.S. Your correspondent on the scene will once more assume the role of Town Crier for the occassion.
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