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Great!!! Thanks! As far as I can judge by the details that I already know, it is a quite faithful representation. Great to see the catheads properly. Nice to see another detail: The Vic first sat far too deep in the drydock and on top of it, the bow was even lower than the stern. After the King´s moaning, she had to be resettled to todays level. XXXDAn -
Thank you guys, and Jan, as always, looks like I am an open book to you! This is one of the pictures that I am seeking still a better resolution! It shows some nice details of the deck structure in the bow section. If one looks around, there are loads of pictures of the empire attitude of the Victory, but only a few in a useful resolution, those ones I am seeking still. Here is one that confirmed some interesting bits, that I already guessed in other pictures: And very surprisingly - there are no whales and the hull is planked flush, no curve to be seen. No profiles to structure the surface, only thin battens as a split line for the color change, and this one follows exactly the line of the gun ports - not very elegant ... Ok- and I already believed that this could be a fast build. ... ... so I made a dummy .... ... and filled in all the well known artifacts of the original planking. Oh my dears, DAniel
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Congratulations Frank, that really is the most tricky part imho in the whole etch set! Well done :-) Cheers, Daniel
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Thank you Jan, the 2525 is the one I am already building ;-) But yes, for a long time already, she was turning around in my head - the empire Vic of 1910. Matchless in her appearance, she started to fascinate me as soon as I saw the first picture of this state some 30 years ago. By now I collected enough good pictures to have a good understanding of her hull and stern. Also the aft assemblies I get a clearer idea, even Nelson´s barque is already parked underneath the poop deck. Still looking for some high resolution pictures of the bow and the fo´castle, also those of contemporary ships, as this is a very outrageous design there ;-) So it is like in the sales: Everything has to go! XXXDAn
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Here a picture out of NMM, the Cyrus of 1813 with planking details :-) XXXDAn
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...hihihihihihihihi... As the lower deck of my other Victory will definitely still will take some time - in the Year 2525 - here a small in between meal. The usual start-up picture - everything as it is known to be 🙂 Where will this lead to? To a face, that only a mama is being able to adore - or a dafi ...hihihihihihihi...
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In some simple words - I think the main mistake we mostely do is to consider the deck planking done with parallel planks that - as far as I remember - came up with the industrial mills around 1800 - correct me if wrong. The nibbing and all the other joints of planking meets waterway and so on looks completely different with the curved planks. So the waterway can be met without nobbing as it is a parallel curve. XXXDAn
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Well done so far! I think for this scale, faking would be a much more appropriate way ;-) Here a nice version on a Airfix Prince. it is in german, but the pictures are sufficient I believe :-) 420 444 Also he gives a nice solution for the deadeyes a bit further on. Cheers, Daniel
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Sharing is great - and big thanks to him if it was him who made me aware of the wonderful possibilities offered by the world of Tic-Tac :-) XXXDAn
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And now something different - the difference ... ... the small irregularities in the bow do not bother me to much. From there do come the remains from the first picture, I replaced them by bigger plates. Still refined the corners ... ... and fixed missing nails. The false keel, first try with flattened 0,3 mm copper wire ... ... but this proved to complicated to assmble. Then better simple copper foil :-) Then still enjoyed some unusual views ... ... and brought back my small one into her normal position ... ... and had a deep breath as no bigger casualties had happened. Only the school table looks like was not glued ;-) XXXDAn
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... doe, how to say ... ... I just looked - no touching involved ... ... but how did this happen ?!? Suddenly my sweet one found herself lying on the back ... ... and got the edges worked with the RB Riveter. Then changed the dermaroller from large-gauge ... ... to narrow-gauge. And here we go :-)
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Oh you are scared of model part´s suicide?!? That is new, I better go to a psychiatrist with my dear shipdaughter to avoid more losses ... ... there is still enough V1.0 on her ... ... and V2.0 that were already redone ... ... and V3.0 that was also overcome ... ... and the V4.0 that ... ...hihihihihihihihihi... ... XXXDAn
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... only a little bit ... ... Jan I am so sorry I lied to you ... ... wasn´t intended ... ... did not touch it - just looked ... ... came off by itself ... ... soooooo sorry ... ... ... XXXDAn
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MAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMM, he did it again, and he lied ... XXXDAn
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Fastening of the false keel
dafi replied to dafi's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Also one can see a lot of staples missing. The staples of the first keel were flush in the surface, so the slots are still visible if one has a close look. Those of the first keel appear to be closer than those of the second one. Also the ones of the second one have different lengths: Into the "true" keel and into the first false one. I was looking quite close, but still difficult to see a pattern. DAniel -
Fastening of the false keel
dafi replied to dafi's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
This one ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gault ... or this one ? http://www.greatdreams.com/blog-2012-2/dee-blog279.html XXXDAn -
Fastening of the false keel
dafi replied to dafi's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Thank you Druxey and Jaager, the staples of the Vic are still in place and give a good impression, but I found no picture that could reveal the dimensions. As the Vic has two false keels, one as build and the other added probably around 1800 one has to also to take care, what staples are for which keel. http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=hms+victory+keel&gbv=2&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ved=0CBQQsARqFQoTCOKg877dhMYCFcy3FAodwUkAaw&tbm=isch Luckily these are about the only original staples of the golden age of sails :-) Cheers, DAniel -
Very enjoyable build, love it, cheers, Daniel, also master of rebuilds ;-)
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Very nice result, thank you for showing!!! Congratulations, Daniel
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The false keel was fastened by vertical copper staples. At what distances were those placed? Cheers, DAniel
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I think the "official" butt schemes are an ideal solution, that ensures maximum strength of the deck which is a integral part of the structure of the ship and not "just some planks to walk on". But reality then collides with plenty of issues, the biggest probably is dealing with the material available. Also repairs will easily give some deviations to the pattern. Also the Vic there are some parts where a 4 but shift can be recognized, but most is a irregular pattern. Whatever patter you prefer for what year is up to you, nobody can prove how it was in the year 1XXX. Just there are some remarks: It was never as neat as we would like our models to look ;-) I think important is to respect the deck beams, get near to a 4 butt shift system and avoid short ends and butts in between coamings and near the start and end of the decks. Cheers, Daniel
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Impressive project :-) Love it ! XXXDAn
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