paulsutcliffe

Roger I know where you are coming from and am bending in that direction I think as well, some of the wooden models on this site are stunning as you said, but having now added a bit of colour, I am starting to believe!

I could but I thought I might post them here as this discussion is about the painting, what do you think?

what about using paint to accentuate details even on perfectly constructed models, I went to a lot of trouble to scrape different mouldings on the rails for my cheerful and the caprail which is mahogany but when viewed from the side they are invisible, this morning I painted the rails in yellow ochre and the caprail in matt black and now the mouldings pop out at you, a definite advantage although I have now painted most of the hull and sides I still cant get over the hurdle of painting the boxwood keel(scarph joint showing) the counter (holly planks and treenails) is it a step to far??? regards Paul pictures to follow shortly

Nicely put Bob, couldn't agree more

Found these on Amazon and thought I would try them, perfect for sanding in small areas and difficult to reach places, I purchased 4 and 2mm and they seem to work really well even on painted areas, the dust is probably not Good for your your skin though I have to say I'm really quite impressed with them and they leave a nice smooth surface on the wood or paint with light rubbing Regards Paul

Hi BE If your space problem for displaying and rigging is because of the length of the model with bowsprit, you could show the model with the bowsprit unshipped and slid on deck as would have been done in a rough sea apparently, to stop it catching a wave and dragging the bow down That will give you some more room😁 Regards Paul

I agree completely with everything said above, but would also like to point put that with the research dafi and others have put in, the work carried out on the victory and her paint colours we have a reasonable idea what was used, they were only stocked with red, white, blue, black and yellow according to the logs, so the pinkish colour on the victory isn't a far stretch, yellow and white with a hint of red. David white didn't have it far wrong on the cover of the AOTS Diana. To use druxeys comet again look at a side photo and the colours are amazing black at the top then the red stripe followed by blue and then boxwood left to appear as the yellow stripe-beautiful and also very similar to the king George paintings, does this represent a replica scale model more than others?? The reason I started this was because im arguing with myself about whether to paint or not I'm not going to paint my sirius now, to far down the line but will paint my cheerful, even though its made of boxwood, holly planking and a mahogany cap rail hopefully in the correct colours the admiralty decreed at the time using the evidence shown on dafis log and carpenters logs of the time

Hi Chris No I wont lose any sleep over it but thought it would make a Good discussion, if we don't include a historically accurate paint job is it an historically accurate scale model replica?????

Thanks Gregory and yes Druxey exactly what I meant I guess what I was trying to say was if you build a scale model replica car you don't leave it in metal, you paint it If you build a scale replica tank or train you don't leave them in metal you paint them If you build a scale replica cruise liner you don't leave it in metal, you get my drift, but we build a wooden scale replica sailing ship, we leave it in wood????? And yes I know most of the admiralty models in the NMM or Chatham or wherever they are now are not painted either, that's why im wondering when this convention started, using boxwood sort of conveys the same colour as yellow ochre I guess Regards Paul

Im not disagreeing with you either just putting it out there for discussion, look at the last page of my Sirius log, its all wood too Regards Paul

At the bottom of the front page of this site ?????

I have been having an internal argument about painting wooden model ships, the NRG tagline says Advancing ship modelling through research followed by models that are historically accurate as well as beautiful, so why aren't we painting our ships as they would have appeared? For example there are many models of the victory but none of them look like the real one, whether you like the new paint colour or not, all ships were painted from top to toe to protect them from the elements, most models of victory are left as wood I appreciate that sometimes we use expensive wood ie boxwood and pear and more often than not are encouraged to leave as its wood colour I have done the same with my Sirius build and there wasn't going to be any paint at all, I have now changed that thinking to painting the taffrell only and highlights in this area ie a bit of red where appropriate After reading Davids @druxeycomet fireship book and seeing the beautiful painting and colours (although he has done the hull in holly with no painting) I am considering this as the way to go with my models so they are more historically accurate. Those of you who have seen my Cheerful build on my Sirius log will know I have had major problems with humidity warping on the holly planking, I think I have now decided that I am going to paint completely after some major sanding and gesso in admiralty colours, similar to siggis @Siggi52 tiger build. When did this convention of not painting start? The beautiful paintings done for king George 111 of each the rates give a good example of what these colours should be, before nelson started adding chequers and trying to change the yellow What do we think, to paint or not to paint, that is the question

Ah! a sanding day. What joy. Just love the way the dust spreads its way around the house coating everywhere with a lovely soft velvet. Best done while the wife is out shopping I find And that's exactly why im relegated to the garage!!!! 

I still haven't heard anything either

Nicely done, mole grips as a clamp ! The hull must be bigger than I thought😁

How about further down the line one of the earlier victories, ie 1744 100 gun four Decker, nobodies made that one, flat stern with balconies and lots of red paint, awesome Regards Paul

very very nice johann

Okto very nice go for it

Thanks Keith, four years since the restart, First frames were cut 17 years ago now, yes the tweezers were recommended by someone in this site if I remember correctly and I think the seller did very well out of all of us that fell for it ha!!! I have had the last two days in the garage with the warmer weather, unfortunately work gets in the way at other times, but yes much more bearable than the last couple of months, I have even started doing some sanding on the cheerful Hull to try and get it back into some sort of shape Regards Paul

Remembered I had to fit the elm tree pumps before I couldn't get access anymore, I remade the piece to hold the forked stanchion and added a piece of hardened sterling silver for the end of the shaft, rest made out of brass And after painting Regards Paul

The picture I showed the other day wasn't very good with all the clutter on the deck, as it was supposed to be a four year anniversary picture I decided to show a better effort Cleared away and all shipshape, with the original deck nail from the real ship

Thankyou Gary regards Paul

beautiful work doris, and you will be pleased to know the site your link accesses for the pirated photos doesn't work anymore and says shutdown for maintenance currently regards paul

Oh yes