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Marc, Thank you for that. I was fairly certain that the round up is the way to go but the drawings I had either do not show it at all or make it appear to be flat. Flat did not see right but I could not tell and I have learned not to just assume that all ships were built similar no matter how much sense something makes. I will model it that way! AS to the model in the photo, I do have some more pictures of it. I can post them later on when I get home. THey are mostly of the stern as I collected them when I was looking at different versions of the stern configurations. -
Progress continues on the gun port framing. 3 hours of build time tonight have left me with 3 ports left to go on the starboard side. Should have them done tomorrow and then more filler and sanding. There are lots of imperfections but the filler and the sanding should be light at this point so no big stress there. I will have pictures later this week when there is something to actually see. To all my S.R. scholars, I am in need of guidance. On the stern at the aft gun ports, does the transom remain flat and the just the balcony supports curve or does the transom follow the curve of the balcony supports. I have seen it both ways and am wondering if anyone knows how this should look. Below are pictures of the area in question. On the drawing the transom appears to be flat and just the supports curve. On the model, and I have seen this on a few of them, the transom itself takes on the same curve as the supports. I am quickly approaching a point where I need to make the decision on how to frame and plank this area so any input would be greatly appreciated. On this model it shows the transom curving with the balcony supports.
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Thanks for that Michael! That is almost too simple, I don't think I ever would have thought to do that! Yet another reason I love this site as often we get tunnel vision that having another persons perspective adds a great solution that we would never have seen. Well, I have now achieved my daily goal and learned something new.
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Great job indeed! The end result is what really matters and if you found a method that achieves a finish you like, then it is the right way!
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Been hard at work but I feel like it has mostly just been chasing my tail. I finished framing all the starboard gun ports Friday night but something had been bothering me. I got up, left the room and played with the dogs for a while and when I came back in I realized that the bottom two rows of gun ports were shorter than the top row. Width was great but they were all squatting. I measured them and they are in fact shorter. I could not figure out how that happened as I have measured them time and time again what happened?!?! and why were the top ports all the correct size? Then I realized what I did. I did not oversize the height on those port opening for the framing. Still don't know how I missed that but I caught it. So now I get to go back through and re-frame the ports in order to make them all the correct size. On the bright side, while I still have rework to do on the port side gun ports, I should just be able to transfer over the dimensions from the starboard side and rework them once instead of the 4 times I have reworked them on this side..... I wish I could say that simply pulling the dimensions off the prints would work, and the would normally but, with the interior modeling I am doing there is no way to make the kit plan layout align with the actual decks. So, here I go. Already fixed a few in this picture and got in a couple more since it was taken. The repair work is going fairly fast so hopefully in a few days I will have some forward progress to show. Then I get to fix wood filler and finish sanding the hull and repeat on the other side.
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Indeed, sorry to hear of the health problems. Glad you are back with us and best wishes for a speedy and full recovery.
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Nice repair job on that shroud. I've had several parts and one whole car look like it was used as a teething toy by Godzilla and I expect that despite my best efforts to prevent it, it will happen again. Love the four legged children but they can be a disaster around models! Jolly Roger is looking better with each update! Great work!
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I've built this kit a couple of times now and both times did a few things different but for the most part I have stayed close to the instructions. Nothing wrong with that approach as it makes for a very nice model of the Constitution. It looks like you have a great start going on your build so I wish you continued success!
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Elijah thank you! That wood rack is a modified craft storage cabinet I bought from Michaels. I added the black parts cabinet and the hooks as I need them. For the wood bins, the original cabinet came with the dividers in the top section. To allow for long strips of wood, I drilled out the bottoms of the back 2 rows and moved the top drawer to the middle slot. This gave me the depth I need for long strips. The middle row I left alone for shorter pieces and the first 2 rows I covered with a piece of wood to make a ledge for my glues. I use a lot of their craft cabinets for my shipyard. Sometimes I can use as is, other times I can modify them to fit my purposes better. Here is the link to Michaels website and the actual cabinet. I've included the original pictures as well as my modifications.
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Let me know when you do as I would love to follow along with another builder. I have found that it is always nice to have someone else working on the same ship to bounce ideas back and forth. It is hard to find that on these large builds though as not as many people tackle them. Good luck on yours as you start planking.
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Hi Andre, looks like you have done a great job on her so far. For being shelved for 6 years she looks like she has been well taken care of. I'll follow along with you and enjoy the show!
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Welcome to MSW! Best advice I can give you is to be sure to take your time, read through the plans and instructions and look ahead clear to end of the build to make sure you know what will be in an area early on. Often times something may be needed for rigging that is not shown on the plans till the rigging pages but is better to install very early for ease of access. Otherwise, keep doing what you are doing in reading the tutorials and build logs, (be sure to start one yourself) and asking questions for guidance. Best of luck to you and I look forward to seeing your build!
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Had to take some time to reorganize the lumber rack this evening. It had been needing it and with the new wood I finally decided to take the time and clean it up. Found some pieces I thought I was out of and now I have a better idea of what I have. Then it was back to work on gun port framing. Slowly advancing down the hull. Focusing on them has also allowed me to see areas that will need a little more fill and sanding work before the 2nd planking. It is like looking for a lost item. Stop looking for it and it appears! Same with dips and uneven planks. Stop looking for them and there they are. Not a problem as I was expecting to have to do another sanding anyway. I am just marking the spots I want to fix as I see them and will get to it when done with the framing. The top row of ports I am still not certain how I am going to do them. At the moment the have been cut out to receive the metal fittings that came with the kit. These contain the port frame and the ornate casing. The more I look at them the more I think they will be replaced by something I create. This of course means I will have to resize the ports but at this stage that is not a big deal to do. I will sleep on it as I have a couple more days before I reach those ports anyway.
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Ah! That is the trick! I have been fighting that same issue with mine and that "bow" in the rope was one of the biggest annoyances with trying to keep them tight. As much as I hate to do it, I may redo my crows feet to see if that improves the overall look. May rebuild those blocks while I am at it. Don't have to do them all but three of them for certain are bothering me. Thanks for figuring that out!
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When I was at Hobby Lobby over the weekend I found this kit along with Captain Kid and they almost joined my ever growing shopping cart! Luckily the Admiral was with me and reminded me that I still needed food for the week. I've yet to learn how to go into those stores and buy just the item I originally set out to get.... Keep up the good work!
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If it is not too late, I would recommend leaving your shrouds and stays adjustable. I had already glued mine down so I had to cut them free at and retension many of them through the deadeyes to help keep my running rigging tight and the standing rigging straight. Not perfect but it helped a lot. I've also had that problem with my auto correct when I post on my phone with many nautical terms. Spelling and grammar checkers do not like the Navy! I wish I would have found that picture of the euphroe blocks when I was searching. I like that better than the one I designed mine off of. Well, into the files for the next build! Rigging is looking sharp. Won't be long now and she will be ready for her maiden voyage!
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S.R.'s planking arrived today making for a nice couple days of acquiring new stuff for the build. The mahogany and walnut strips are from Crown Timberyard, the bass wood is just from Hobby Lobby but works great for sub structure work. I also picked up a pair of those pliers for making wire loops for eyebolts. Looked like they might be a good investment after seeing them used on some other logs here. I realized when I bought them that I own a very nice collection of jewelry making tools and supplies for having never made a piece of jewelry.... Well, I guess I better get to building as I no longer have any excuses!
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I don't know if I actually build fast or if I am just fortunate to have a lot of time I can dedicate to building. Just to get to this point I around 230 hours and La Couronne to date is around 860. While the compliment is appreciated, in fact I need to slow down. I tend to get impatient and want to keep going and I have sacrificed details and a cleaner look on some things that I wish I had not. It is one of my faults I am constantly working on improving with every build. I do use a power sander for rough sanding to knock down the really bad planks and the clinker effect. Still, most is done by hand and all the wood filler sanding is done by hand. I have to be able to feel the curves on the hull as well as the low and high spots as I sand. Now I get to start squaring up the gun ports and installing their framework. Once I get all of those done, I will give the hull another sanding. I like to do this as it helps to make the port framing match up to the hull shape as well as just giving the hull another go over before the second planking goes on. I also like to use a rough grit to lightly hit all the places where I applied wood filler to provide grooves for the glue to bond to.
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Cedric, Welcome and thanks for both the kind words as well as the link. Always good to have another resource for rigging. I do have Anderson's book, in fact I have two different printings of it, a newer 1994 printing as well as one from 1955 that I absolutely love as the drawings are a bit larger and on fold out sheets. I have referenced his work extensively on my Couronne build and I expect to do the same for this one. As for the build itself, I have had a successful weekend of sanding, wood filler, sanding, wood filler, sanding, wood filler, sanding, wood filler, sanding, wood filler, sanding, wood filler..... okay, so maybe not that bad but it sure feels that way! Actually, I am thinking that the end is in sight. Should be able to tell for certain after dinner tonight when I get back at it. Been applying sealer to a book shelf that I built for my kitchen to hold all my cook books which has given me a nice break from sanding. I also had a fun trip to the hobby store for a couple tools and some more wood for the gun port frames and other framing that I will need to build. And to make the weekend even better, I received a nice email from the good people at Crown Timberyard letting me know my order has shipped and should be here early this week. That will be all the wood for the 2nd planking layer and the wales plus some other misc. wood for all those unforeseen items that come up. This week should see some interesting progress made!
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I've put it off long enough...... sanding the hull starts now.... Well, as soon as I add a little more bourbon to this glass... Pics will follow soon.
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Ship yard is open again and I'm back working on the starboard gun ports. As you can see from the many re-drawings and a couple of patched back in sections, I have been fighting this layout. Since I decided to model the interiors I had to build the interior decks. The kit was never designed for this and so the gun port layout did not need to follow a deck until the main deck and upward. When I added actual decks in the hull I quickly saw that the gun ports were not going to align and many were ending up in very odd places. As I began to modify the ports to align with the new decks I started to see more and more that the sheer at the stern seemed to be much more pronounced than I felt it should be. The more I looked at it the more it bothered me and so I began the process of leveling out the decks slightly which in turn lowered the sheer. This of course threw off my gun port layout again. After the nice long break that I took to work on La Couronne I am seeing the entire layout much clearer with all my adjustments and now I just have to once again re-draw the ports but now I can finally cut them out with confidence that they are where they need to go. The downside is I have to adjust a few on the port side so they match. Oh well, I tell people all the time that it is better to fix something that is bothering you now than leave it till it is too late. Then it bothers you forever. I guess it is time I start to take my own advice!
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I do know that I have leveled off the decks in the cabins considerably when I built them on my S.R.. Doing that lowered the sheer considerably but made the decks, in my own opinion, much more realistic and usable. Prior to this, the interior cabin floors would have been sloping at such an angle that all the furniture would be constantly sliding forward. I would hate to see what would have been happening to the canons and if one came loose... that would not have been good. On my La Couronne build, I noticed this same issue with the sheer on it. The poop deck reflects this dramatically but also the quarter galley turrets and the space between them also show how steep the sheer is. I would hate to have to try to remain upright on a deck that steep let alone stop furniture and especially cannon balls if they got loose from causing damage. I have seen a couple other builds of that ship where they have lowered it and the end result looks much better. While ships of this era and earlier did have an extremely large amount of sheer, I think that today's model designs have over exaggerated it as they are largely based on the artwork that quite possibly is over drawn.
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That is good advice indeed! Thanks to for the names of those artists. I will have to take a look at their work.
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Marc, Your build log is a great reference tool for anyone looking for serious, in depth research and information of this great ship. Yes, it is not really a "build" log yet as you have not really built anything but, it is full of relevant information that will benefit anyone looking to scratch build and/or expand their knowledge of this ship. The building part will come soon enough!
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