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- GrandpaPhil, Zarkon, cog and 2 others
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ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ ΜΙΛΗΣΙΟΣ Looking that my first though is: In nomimativ is AlexanDROS. Here, is genitive... AlexanDROU. Meaning "of Alexander's", showing in this way that it belongs or it refers to Alexandros. That is... the ship, or the picture, or whatever "of Alexander", "of" belonging/referring to him.
Now, ΜΙΛΗΣΙΟΣ its nomimativ and clearly means, Alexander from Miletus (Μίλητος) (ref.to a historically very important ancient greek city of Anatolia in the Ionian region, on the western Aegean Sea coast -present day Turkey ), meaning simply and definitely that Miletus is his home city.
Still why is the name written twice? (Peculiarity?)
Actually and more precisely its written : ΑΛΕΞΑΝ_ _ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ ΜΙΛΗΣΙΟΣ.
Can that be that this way it designates the person in the picture as Alexan the son of Alexandrou from Miletus?
Example: My son's name is Andreas and my name is Christos, so it can be said "Andreas ChrisTOU" (genitive), meaning Andreas the son of Christos. (Commenting Alexandros as the name of both father and son, it can be said, that it was oft at that time, that the son and father had the same name).
So this possibly is the case here. Otherwise there is only just a repeat of the name, which again, that would have been meaningless.
Concluding I have to add, that ΑΛΕΞΑΝ as a word (as a name) of it self -I believe- its incomplete and had never existed. The complete and proper name was (some grammar):
Ο ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ (nominativ)
ΤΟΥ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ (genitiv)
ΤΟΝ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΝ (acusativ)
ΤΩ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΩ (dativ)
Ω ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΕ (vocative)
Ofcourse it can be that it was originally written ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ (and not ΑΛΕΞΑΝ) ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ ΜΙΛΗΣΙΟΣ and simply the last four letters have been damaged. If this is the case, then this makes sense: Alexander, son of Alexander from Miletus
Christos
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- GrandpaPhil, Dutchman and ccoyle
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- cog, chris watton, J11 and 2 others
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- GrandpaPhil, Dutchman, chris watton and 3 others
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Thank you very much for your response and for the links.
Christos
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Great work! Congrats. Am going to follow you... am anxious to see the end result... putting sails on this beautiful build I imagine thats a challenge and I believe thats going to be an event for all of us modellers. I think nobody did this build with sails.
- Old Collingwood and Peta_V
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Dutchman... I have just noticed you are building again! This time no explorations... no finding a new world. "A British Royal Yacht"... This time you became an aristocrat! May be you won the Netherlands lotto.
I know the panart model... its a dream kit. She is a beauty and I know your work, you ll do a great job.
Am following you. Viel spass.
Christos
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- mtbediz, goetzi73, chris watton and 5 others
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Finished the gun-ports lining. There are 15 gun-ports on each side. The last gun-poet before the ship's stern had no cannon, it was a glazed window of Lafayet''s cabin(same on the other ship side for Lafayette's second). The first gun-ports on each side, near the cheeks of the head, are the bow chaser gun-ports (firing at pursued ships). Both have hinged port lids to avoid water from large waves entering the ship.
All the other gun-ports -when not in use-had a false lid.
- J11, GrandpaPhil, goetzi73 and 3 others
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@Gaetan BordeleauOh yes! I see now. For the upper case, the copper, yes I think its ok, but for the lower deck, as @Judechar also meant, ead has a melting point at ca. 300° C, which means it doesnt seem to be the proper material for that area. I believe that maybe thin copper plates would have been more proper, given the fact that copper has a melting point over 1000° C, about as also cast iron has, of which the stove was made of. Of course lead its better than plane wood... it gives protection to the wood deck in order that it doesnt catch fire. So may be after all, lead was used at that time. I dont know.
Christos
Ps is that your build? Its lovely!
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@Gaetan BordeleauSorry my english is not the best. I still dont get it what are you saying to me.
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@Gaetan Bordeleau thank you for dropping in. Great pictures there! Is it a model you build?
You mean the basin (panel) on the main deck is copper and the roof of the stove (on the lower deck) is lead.
Christos
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You are an artist! I told you that before... but this is far over and beyond ship model building. This is pure art. Congrats dear friend astonishing!
Christos
- cog, Louie da fly, EJ_L and 5 others
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Proceeding with the gun deck. Lining of the walls and the inside of the gun ports.
And the waterway's harder reinforcing wood (stained) is connecting the deck floor with the walls. It has a concave profile in order to drain the water at the scuppers. (I dont know why but the AL instruction show a concave waterway!)
- GrandpaPhil, mtbediz, J11 and 4 others
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Absolutely! Its the best kit ,I have ever build. Its quality, quality and quality... in japanese!
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10th-11th century Byzantine dromon by Louie da fly - FINISHED - 1:50
in - Subjects built Up to and including 1500 AD
Posted · Edited by MESSIS
Adding some etymology:
Αλέξ-ανδρος is composed out of two words, Αλέξ from the verb αλέξω meaning push away, and ανδρός from the word άνδρας meaning man. Man is άνδρας (nominativ) του ανδρός ( genitiv)
So Αλέξανδρος its the strong and brave one, "the one that pushes men away", men is referred to the enemy's men.
So in the case above it could have been written Άλεξ (as it exists as a word) but never Αλεξαν... which that would be the word Άλεξ plus the two first letters of the word ανδρος... cant be.... its nonsense.
Ps. I apologise for writing all these, it makes me most probably look like a "wise guy" or a smart-***... but ancient greek its my pet subject and I always really enjoy talking about it. Hope that some of the stuff is useful or interesting and apologies again.