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Allan, I'm embarrassed. I know I've seen round foot rails depicted before, I thought in Pinnaces or Barges, but this morning I can't find any examples. I'd say Chuck's nailed it except in this case it seems to be set up for two positions.

Also note the round foot rail for the aft thwart in this enlargement.

Drat, the forum re-sized it.

1 hour ago, scrubbyj427 said:

I am however slightly puzzled as to why Portland had them and Bristol did not?

Actually they both did. The drawings in Allan's first post show the deck of Bristol  (with scarphs) and the profile drawing of Portland (also with scarphs).

Here's some more drawings:

Now, here's an interesting one, Stirling Castle has no deck beam timbers longer than about 24 feet. Where 24' is sufficient for a scarph joint one is used, if 24' is not long enough a chock is used instead. Unfortunately  the profile drawing doesn't show any joints.

4 hours ago, allanyed said:

A few of us have looked at these drawings and are of the opinion that the drawing of the beam ends in elevation indicate lips of the scarphs.

For what it's worth, I agree. This is what is depicted (not to scale):

9 hours ago, oakheart said:

is the repair doable?

It's wood and you're only really worried about the outside surface, it's repairable.

Carve out the areas in purple until almost the depth of your planking, select wood with matching grain and glue in (clamp with your thumb if you have to), sand lightly.

Remove the plank from the stern post and do it all in one piece (edge glue 2 or more pieces to make a broad plank if you have to). I think it will look better if the grain runs parallel to the aft edge but choose what pleases you.

I think the big issue here is Chinese piracy, if these plans were easily available I have little doubt they would be cloned.

That said, there is more than enough information in the instructions to build the model. Add in the numerous build logs and have at it.

6 hours ago, allanyed said:

I cannot believe how stupid of me not to just take the line all the way through to see such a basic thing by myself.

How do you think I feel? I worked this out months ago and then forgot

3 hours ago, oakheart said:

While searching for information on cutters, I found these.

Thanks Tim, I've seen the second but not the first.

1 hour ago, Jaager said:

I believe  that it is the underside of the deck at the side.

BINGO!

I knew that....once.

I think the last block is just hidden in the shadows.

Flotherwoode seems to be fake wood grain.

Queen Elizabeth employed Leonard Fryer to decorate the long gallery at Oatlands with a woodgrain pattern in 1598. He primed the panelling with white lead paint and then painted imitation "flotherwoode", with gold and silver highlights on the mouldings, with arabesque patterns and paintwork of "markatree", perhaps resembling marquetry.

So, ornate paintwork seems to be the theme.

29 minutes ago, bruce d said:

If so, who is the legitimate source please?

Seems to be "Royal Navy Captain, 1805" by Alexandros Models (whoever they are http://www.alexandrosmodels.com/).

Again, I think there were more exceptions than rules:

https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-535332

11 hours ago, Gregory said:

Here is a drawing from Lavery's 'Arming & Fitting -etc.. '

Which is a copy of HIL210 from the RMG.

This is a drawing by a shipbuilder not the Admiralty which might explain some differences.

15 minutes ago, Boerscht said:

The length your questionmark shows is in the plan 29,5 cm. So in 1:24 this would be 7,08 m length. Seems reasonsble for me?

So, 23 feet give or take. Thankyou!

3 hours ago, Boerscht said:

the Occre Bounty boat 1:24

I have been trying to work out what size boat this model depicts, could you do one measurement for me?

Thanks,

39 minutes ago, BANYAN said:

bracing for incoming fire

Only friendly fire.

I concur with both thoughts.

7 hours ago, bruce d said:

I'm wondering if the mystery items are for a specific task.

I would think so, but I also think it's a boat built for a specific task rather than modifications. It's too nice a drawing.

The bow roller looks like a normal anchor handling roller, the stern roller 'feels' like it serves the same purpose but the drawing provides no details.

It's possible not impossible that these could be used together to carry a cannon slung under the hull. Combine that with four swivel guns and we may have something fit to support a landing somewhere. Not impossible but...........fantasy perhaps?

4 hours ago, Roger Pellett said:

C is definitely the horse for of the fore sail sheet.  The circular arc allows the sail to cross over without releasing the sheet  when the boat is tacked; a self tacking sail.

Yes, but it's backwards.

4 hours ago, Roger Pellett said:

A wild *** guess.  I wonder if it is a pump.

I don't think so but it's a better guess than any I can propose at this time.

32 minutes ago, allanyed said:

Please correct me if I am wrong.

I can't correct you as you are correct.

20 minutes ago, vaddoc said:

If you guys could turn a blind eye, we could go for 40 cm that is technically much more feasible and still give the visual impression of a log oar.

Well, they might reach the water when fully loaded Hmm, I thought I did a similar cheat on my 16ft cutter but now I'm not sure. I think I dislike oars.

2 minutes ago, vaddoc said:

For a 21 foot boat, oars would be 13 feet length

Won't work, my best guess is about 16 feet. 13 might be ok for a double banked.

G'day Allan. This drawing contains a few enigmas doesn't it?

'A' and it's mate/s in the bow look like sockets to me, the top section being drawn in black ink suggests they are near or on the gunwale, either for an awning stanchion or a small swivel gun. THIS would fit nicely.

'B' No idea at the moment but the red ink suggests it's near the centre line.

'C' (just in front of the mast) You didn't ask but it's probably a 'horse' for the jib sheet, Maybe?

It would have been nice if the showed A, B and C on both drawings.

Other interesting things: Double lifting eyes fore and aft, rollers fore and aft, cant frames fore and aft.

1 hour ago, vaddoc said:

on to the oars it is

They look way too short to me, you didn't make them half scale did you?

Looks great! I really like the colour choices.

1 hour ago, vaddoc said:

but surface underneath far from perfect

I think you and I suffer from the same issue, the desire to make a wooden hull hewn with hand tools look like fibreglass popped from a mould.

1 hour ago, vaddoc said:

Still have to make oars though

At least it's single banked, only six to make.

And so we come to a rather delicate subject, one not much talked about in polite society since the advent of indoor plumbing. The backside!

So she has an issue with her backside It seems to be a genetic flaw common to her sisters but never discussed.

Her transom is wrong! It's wrong and it can't work. It will have to be bodged, fettling isn't enough

7 minutes ago, allanyed said:

THANK YOU!!!

No worries