iMustBeCrazy

3 minutes ago, oakheart said:

channel is the block of wood, chainplate is the metal strip. Is that correct?

Lets just say the chainplate is metal, it can be a flat bar, a few flat bars, a chain, a really long chain link or a combination.

1 hour ago, oakheart said:

I think I need to do some more research

There will be exceptions!

The channel is often notched for the chain plates and then a cover strip goes on the outside.

This gives a fairly clear example:

6 hours ago, oakheart said:

have done a new profile view and think I will be able to make it work

Looks fine to me but the straps will all be pointing to a spot up the mast about 54 feet above the deck.

1 hour ago, Thunder said:

I would always try to get the straps down to the wale if possible.

 

..... Items of rig would change through a ships life as captains changed things to try and get a better trim and improve sailing quality.

The Lapwing drawings are possibly wrong here except there were probably no clearly defined wales (other than by a coat of paint) just a thickening of the planking. (My Lapwing will have wales despite this).

Add in that Speedy was built 10 years after Lapwing and some changes are certainly possible.

This is one of the Vigilant class (enlarged Lapwings with 2 extra guns) showing the shrouds moved.

49 minutes ago, Thunder said:

the first one should be in line with the mast

While that's true of the kit you built I've taken the dimensions from the Lapwing drawings on which Speedy was based. Speedy may have been different but I've not found any contemporary drawings to show it.

17 minutes ago, oakheart said:

I have just been working up some drawings in photoshop.

I've had a little play myself. Note that the scaling of your model is pretty rough.

The forward three shrouds between the ports and the aft one moved a little further aft should work.

2 minutes ago, oakheart said:

not sure if this would work

Me neither.

Try on some scrap, a coat of WOP then a coat of lightly tinted WOP. I think it should come out nice and even.

37 minutes ago, oakheart said:

I intend to leave it all natural wood so there will be no hiding any more

Perhaps some very very light stains to provide some contrast?

I'm looking at using Tassie Oak (our generic hardwood, actually more of an Ash than an Oak) and the Huon Pine which will provide the contrast, and will probably paint the wale black to stick with my theme.

Tim, I think she's going to look very nice.

And to think it's taken me four days to draw six pieces of wood!

2 hours ago, oakheart said:

can't remember which goes on which side.

 

W.C.

Now, remember you are working off different drawings:

On 12/29/2023 at 12:12 AM, allanyed said:

I have searched high and low and no contemporary drawing shows this design.

Allan, there's at least one in the Danish Archives, D 870  click on the diskette symbol to open a larger version. But if you mean English, then I can't remember any either.

On 12/25/2023 at 11:56 AM, iMustBeCrazy said:

False deck and false keel are probably done, moulds (bulkheads) are mostly done, keel needs a little 'fettling'

These bits are done I think.

I cut some wood and they seem to be going together alright.

I mocked up the stern area and found out that a flat stern wouldn't work (and to a lesser extent a flat transom).

So, back to the drawing board. Curved stern and timber transoms.

After MUCH stuffing around I came to the conclusion that the stern is not just curved but is a section of a cone! The curve at the rail is tighter than that at the counter.

The following image also shows me trying to work out the outboard ends of the transoms, first with a flat bevel and not with, hopefully, correct curves.

A Christmas update, currently working on an new rendition for a possible PoB but ran out of time today.

False deck and false keel are probably done, moulds (bulkheads) are mostly done, keel needs a little 'fettling' and just getting started on the stern.

Merry Christmas everyone!

6 hours ago, oakheart said:

On the plan drawn by Shoulders the deck planks measure about 5mm wide ( the lines are thick and uneven)

At 1:48 scale that equates to a 9.5 inch plank is this too wide?

I can get thinner planks in stock sizes so 4 mm = 7.5 inches which would seem to be a bit more realistic

Honestly? My brain says 'around 6 inches'.

However the way we perceive smaller objects, 'to scale' often looks 'too busy'.

My Renard uses 5mm strips and looks quite believable.

The following are 6", 7.5" and 9.5".

And this is a PoB Lapwing in progress (I blame you).

And since it's already Christmas morning here, Merry Christmas Tim.

21 minutes ago, oakheart said:

Is that deck / beam plan of the Speedy or a different cutter?

Lapwing or Speedy or somewhere between the two, I've done toooooooo many versions to remember.

22 minutes ago, oakheart said:

I think she was a sister to Lapwing.

Nice painting but: HMS Kite - Purchased in 1778 which makes her 40 years too early for Lapwings sister Kite.

12 hours ago, oakheart said:

I think I will go for a simple deck

At a minimum I'd delete the following joins:

It gets rid of planks that are just too short.

Also consider how wide you think your planks should be.

And if you want to go a bit more accurate, the deck beam spacing varied quite a bit, you could put your joins on the beams.

9 hours ago, SighingDutchman said:

I have a question about the oar locks.

Don't we all!

9 hours ago, SighingDutchman said:

are making Bligh's journey in a replica of the launch

It's probably the worst replica ever built. So don't take much notice of it.

9 hours ago, SighingDutchman said:

My question is: are such inserts historical?

Umm, yes. But that certainly doesn't answer the question.

4 hours ago, allanyed said:

Thole pins were common on long boats but the later boats SEEM to have the cutouts as Keith shows or the style as shown below.

Historically Cutters had washboards (or at least construction that resembled washboards), other boats not so much (as usual there will be exceptions) until around the mid-late 1700s (as usual there will be exceptions) . After Bligh's journey, and perhaps as a result of his books, they seem to have become more popular (as usual there will be exceptions) but that might have been normal evolution.

Did I mention there will be exceptions)?

I posted this in one of Allan's threads:

I guess the general progression was one round pin, two round pins, two rectangular pins, two rectangular pins through a 'plinth', two gusseted rectangular pins with or without plinth, two gusseted rectangular pins with removable washboards and then two rectangular pins with fixed washboards. But I wasn't there.

Your boat could be any of those but I think 'one round pin' is unlikely.

I know, I know, I'm just confusing you

1 hour ago, oakheart said:

Is that dotted line an exit hole for the WC ?

Yes, putting a shed over it was a step up from this:

She's moving along Tim.

9 hours ago, oakheart said:

I have traced the deck fittings to give me an idea of what it will look like.

Something looks a little off aft, possibly the angles? Also, note that the drawing has the W.C. and pantry too far forward.

9 hours ago, oakheart said:

For this I need some advice, what would be the correct plank layout for a cutter like this?

Is there a layout I could use, the drawings I have only show part of the deck.

Cheerful could be a reasonable guide, https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/revenue-cutter-cheerful-1806.php  chapters 6-8.

I just found this in the Danish archives:

A couple of additions, an (almost) all wood version and a honing guide.

I think that's enough planes for now.

32 minutes ago, CAlanR said:

One thing not described in the instructions but laid out in the details of "The Dory Book" is the removal of material from the frame at the angled joints to allow water to flow through. I plan to add these in after the glue sets up.

They will be tiny, what's 1/24 of say 3/4 of an inch?

56 minutes ago, SighingDutchman said:

do you have a link to the plans on Wikimedia common?

Best way is to go to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page  and type in your search, say "rmg frigate plan" and you will get https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=rmg+frigate+plan&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image 

Select image size large and you will get (mostly) the larger scans.

You can modify your search using the modifiers AND and OR or even NOT (in caps)(the AND is usually implied) such as "rmg frigate plan 1812 OR 1813 OR 1814" [which is the same as "rmg AND frigate AND plan AND (1812 OR 1813 OR 1814")]

3 hours ago, SighingDutchman said:

I know that the Jolly Boat was not actually used, and that Bligh used the launch instead.

3 hours ago, SighingDutchman said:

Even without the historical interest, the jolly boat is still and attractive project for me though.

G'day Seb, it seems they've finally dropped the claim that this was 'the famous boat...'. As to what it is, it's probably a generic 20'9" longboat, it doesn't really matter just enjoy the build.

How were ships boats painted? It probably depended on how much paint of what colour they had on board.

For the Bounty all we have is "Hauled the Launch up and breemed her and payed the Bottom with half pitch half Tar." and "Paid the small Cutter with Turpentine having not sufficient white to do it."

Payed or Paid meant Painted. So my guess is Bligh's boats were painted white but I have no idea how much of them was white. If you want to read more about Bounty's boats, see my sig.

1 hour ago, SomethingIsFishy said:

I am going to put the horse above the tiller.

I do sometimes think "on my boat I'd do it like this". And then do it my way.

1 hour ago, SomethingIsFishy said:

One more question

Probably in the corner of the knee, like this:

I would also keep the tiller just above the transom so the horse isn't too tall, put a slight bow in the horse and bend it's 'legs' so that it is vertical above where it goes through the knee. But that's just how I'd do it.

18 hours ago, SomethingIsFishy said:

This doesn’t make sense to me

It doesn't make sense to anybody.

However, the Medway model shows a horse barely above the seat.

This can be a very puzzling hobby.

A few weeks ago I made myself a mini plane, it's 80mm long which fits nicely in my hand, has brass sides and I made it with a 'T' shaped blade (or iron) which, at the cutting edge, is the full width of the plane. But this meant that I couldn't use it as a shooting plane.

So I decided to make another smaller which could.

Parts list: Hardwood (something hard wearing that makes a nice 'clack' when you hit it), brass strap, three nails (two roughly 2mm diameter and one roughly 3mm diameter), epoxy glue and hardened steel for the blade (I used a reciprocating saw blade).

Tools: Wood saw, Hacksaw, Drill, Drill bits the size of the nails, Hammer, Sandpaper (various grades), an Angle Grinder with 1mm thick disk and something to act as an Anvil. But I admit I also used a band saw and a disk sander.

First, dress your wood to the required size but make it about twice as long as your finished plane. I my case 10x19x120mm.

Cut out the template from the plan and glue it about the middle of the wood. Drill the two smaller holes. You will need either two drill bits for alignment when glueing or you could use the nails.

Cut the 62 and 45 degree angles, trying to keep the 45 as square to the sides as you can.

Cut the brass to size, glue the template and in one piece drill the small holes with the same drill bits used for the wood. Test fit as below.

Mark the end of the brass on the long piece of wood (the one with the 45° angle), cut it to length. Do not cut the short piece until after glueing.

Epoxy the drilled side to the two pieces of wood using the drill bits to align them and a flat surface to align the base, epoxy the other side using the back edge to align.

While drying, cut the blade to size and sharpen it. I used 25°

After the glue has cured, drill the holes through both sides, countersink the holes slightly, cut the nails to the overall width plus 2mm and make a wooden spacer 1mm thick with a hole in the middle slightly larger than the large nail (say 4mm).

Now you need your Anvil, something solid with a hard surface, could be the back of a vise (not the jaws) or a small steel plate on a rock. Place the wooden spacer on the anvil, place the plane on the spacer with one nail through the hole, peen the nail so that it fills the counter sink, turn the plane over without the spacer and peen the other end of the nail. When peening the large nail, use the offcut saved earlier to keep the brass sides from bending.

Sand both sides of the plane until the nails are flush with the brass. Generally sand the plane to soften edges and corners, make it nice.

Cut the wedge to size. On a cutting board, fit the blade, fit the wedge and tap it in firmly. To adjust the depth of cut tap (quite hard) the front of the plane for a deeper cut or the back of the plane for a shallower cut.

Fin.

Mini Plane.pdf