Vladimir_Wairoa

41 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

 

Interesting thoughts.  I have a book with plans for the BFP..problem is the cutwater or the angle of the bow is not right for the Glory...plus the deadrize..the angle of the hull from the keel is far more extreme then is found on the Glory.  The Glory is considered to be in the design of the Downeasters...and a fore runner of said design...so has more the deadrise of the Champion of the Seas then the Packard.  The book *How to make a clipper ship model* has plans for the *Sovereign of the Seas*, which is again a fuller design the Packard.

 

Personally, I feel the Great Republic hull design is more in keeping with the Glory's design.  If one changes the spherical curvedbow to a sharper bow of the Glory and one removes the weather deck of the GR and installs a typical gunwale......you might have a very close replica of the Glory's hull design. 

One needs to combine the full body design of the Glory/GR with  less of an extreme design entry of the GR  and the Sovereign of the Seas.  More bow design like that of the Young America.

 

Fun stuff for sure.

 

Rob

Good evening Rob many thanks for your observations and points. You are true treasure of" to the point " remarks. Stem should not be a much problem i guess once I modify it to glorys almost straight line byt i agree whoke cutwater will ne most chalenging.  I have to look closer to it again - i picked BFP as typical downeaster. Regarding deadrise i have some interesting  observations Rob. I found a plan on internet in the book you are mentioning and guess what? I compared it to the plan from https://www.mysticseaport.org/benjamin-f-packard-cabin/

There is significant difference in drawing and this plan looks to me as flat down as could be. I scanned both plans and compared together clearly showing . I will post it here maybe tomorrow. I will check your observation with GR but i think even gunwale curvature of bfp looks similar to glory to me. Intetesting point with sovereign of the seas . I thought that was extreme clipper...maybe combinig entry of sovereign should be spot on as you write. Gonna see. Anyway i twll you  what i plan to do first. I am aboyt to me lets say 30 cm model of bfp with trying to midify cutwatdr - which will be mist dificukt task i guess. I fear stwrn less as it shows beautiful curvy lines thst are nit that hard ti get. Cutwater is definitely challenge as concave below and convex towards rail. Anyway i will show you anothe bfp plan what you will say and will discuss from there. 

Hello,  I continue tuning up here and there towards realism  redesigned poop with proper base line and corner columns ets...with paneling...i  shaped up figurehead a bit more to pronounce skirts waves ( needs to paint)  and made a prototype of rail panels new  look ,  i tried to mimic paneling with knife strokes, i guess its not worth hassling  beyond that. It will take me few weeks to finish them anyway so i will keep silent for longer. Learning that patience is the rule. All done with one bloody sharp carving knife / walnut beast/ and steel liner. Holes with drill. What do you think folks? Thank you  you for likes dislikes and whatever comments. Vlad 

very nice Erik.

On 6/30/2020 at 7:52 PM, rwiederrich said:

 I might even consider building just a hull model of her....myself.  From draying I make and plank on bulkhead design.

 

Rob

Good day Rob, 

i tried some preliminary fun measuring and scaling with my typical method i digitalized  photographs took from the center of boat from Mjeldes book and started to observing upscaling and comparing them on monitor. I believe there is one probable most valuable one from observation when glory was dragged to shore with galcier fish etc paint on her photographed from behind angle. that is definitiely benchmark for stern curvature and belly shape. she is definitely not aggresive curvy , being 3 decker with such register tonnage, i found out she is indeed also a lot deeper than cutty sark. . exactly as you write , i have myself cutty plactic belly but complete plactic modification would not be posssible. firstly i thought myself to modify it similar way you do , and after taking measurements fro it....as you write Mjeldes deck installment is what i will rely on but even body vertical scheme is not precise from my observation of photographs. also after measuring scales his drawing is not precise as depth on hold is not in corelation  with numbers in his book. at least cheeks are proportionally incorrect on that drawing. what concerns me most at this first moment is forecastle curvature. i found half model of down easter from https://penobscotmarinemuseum.org/pbho-1/ships-shipbuilding/maines-down-easters but so far unsuccesful with plans. 

i am playing with idea of trying to model hull out of clay firstly just to see what i am up to  with visual  comparisons of downeasters and photographs ...will see. 

... this is vessel i am going after  - https://www.google.com/search?q=benjamin+f+packard+ship&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjNwsCW26zqAhXN4KQKHYK3AZkQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=benjamin+f+packard+ship&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQA1CJvzJY-dkyYPXbMmgAcAB4AIABxQGIAZ0PkgEEMC4xM5gBAKABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=1Nn8Xs2IFM3BkwWC74bICQ&bih=909&biw=768&prmd=imnv&rlz=1C9BKJA_enSK800SK800&hl=sk#imgrc=-hDlEJKIHEOQyM

Different activity today. Sketches. 

21 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

 

Vladimir...your desire to build a replica of the Glory is commendable...and will take some real research, even though Mjelde's book does cover her deck plan very well...the hull is left to the imagination.  This will rely on your observation skills, not to mention some deductive conclusions.  When I built the Glory...my desire at the time was to use an existing Revell Cutty Sark hull and modify it enough to correct the cutwater of the bow and correct the under emphasized gunwale...not to mention the correction of the forecastle and poop.   Correction of the deadrise could not be made with that plastic hull....so I simply accepted what I had.   but if I were to do it all over again...I'd find or develop plans for a heavy bodied Downeaster hull design.  Photographic images of the Glory's hull(as she is on the beach), and at her launching, shows she was of a fuller design....not the extreme clipper design of the Cutty Sark.

 

It can be done..but work and research will have to be employed.  I hope you look into it further.

 

Rob

Good day Rob thank you for your input , yes downeaster was the first what really came to my mind watching glorys body and Michael citation from jozrnals of that time trIng to describe  her . i will research on it further sure. many thanks and good luck with finishing yours Vlad 

50 minutes ago, NenadM said:

Thank you, Vlad. As I said somewhere in this, I think, the slowest build on MSW log, couple of years ago, I made terrible mistakes with lines of main deck, so, I decided to overdetail Her Majesty, to try to "pull up" whole thing. That approach lead me to this ... ant work ... (which is, really - nothing, comparing what, for instance, MSW member Igor Sky do!!!!)

However, it is fun to test your own limits, and to learn.

Thank you for watching and following

 

Your ant work is beautiful and interesting in many ways thanks for sharing it. i did make crucial miatakes on my path and i am not shy to admit it. why should i be? i dont like taking this hobby as some kind of competition in the moment i do passion and fun dies for me. im happy i can elarn from skilled ones but i think boat of everyone is just bwutiful in its own artisticalyl and technically way because everyone is different. fair wind to our cape horners  Vlad 

treacherous waters of horn - ghosts of cape horn- fantastic historical footages of clippers and downeasters 

On 5/29/2020 at 4:33 PM, Vegaskip said:

South of Kerguelene windjammer in the roaring forties.

w/c 14” X 10”

Jim , very beautiful paintings, thank you for sharing. it taeks ships out to sea where they belong , makes them alive. i love watching ship paintings. 

On 6/14/2020 at 10:44 PM, English Rebel said:

I have completed the hull and deck planking. As I don't intend to put a motor in this build, I decided to plank over the removable hatch cover and either saw cut or mark the shut lines. Now it's sanding and sanding and sanding.

Alan

perfect work English rebel. i envy. vlad 

4 minutes ago, stuglo said:

Taking modelling to new level-well done

 

my thought as well stuglo. seing your bottomline "arsenal" i am gonna jupn on it straight. thanks. 

I just finished repairing bulwark stanchions attaching bit  to proper oval not square shape.

- I had to remove every 48 !,

- cleaned off glue gently remove, 

- sand  off sharp edges to form oval shape,

-drill two holes thru them and thin strip simulatning iron plate

,-screw screws

- paint every each

- mark with number and

....repeat this 48 times.

4 evenings 

- Then glue them up to bulwark under new pkanksheer.

Am i really idiot doing twice the same. Better than soldering them but i swear, i will never ever make another composite vessel. No *** way. Please wooden wooden  bulwarks. I wanted to cry. Im now satisfied with them even they are not in middle of the stanchion but more in bottom. Nothing for purists i guess this is how lousy i am with  measuring etc. Shame. 

1 hour ago, Jamie Coleman said:

Wow, Vlad, you’d almost think she could sail right out of your workshop, so lifelike. Your attention to detail and craftsmanship is incredible.

Jamie , thanks for comment but pleaaase i think really otherwise. i reworked almost everything for the reason i was just hurrying up and worked lousy . i now have to admit i probably took a big bigger task i was up to though and i would make her better next time but...i suppose that is how everyone thinks . learning on mistakes... what fascinates me about ship modeling from scratch and to some extent also for bought  is that same ship would not look same yet   correct and beautiful because everyone is different...   ... i am learnig as everyone though.manythanks for lovely comment and have a nice day. 

some pople were wondering how big really she is....

well....i am quite about 2 and a half meters with hands up ...and still not quite a lot enough

I made coffee today and pleased myself thru your GR log Rob. late to party but congratulation indeed. what a look uder sails.  I am doing big ship by neasurement but queen of all queens and  sizes is here. i enjoyed watching your true style and your sure unmistakeable approach. its also educational treat . specially deck  cabins it looks to me like some clay engraving after not wood...very interesting. Vlad. 

On 12/5/2016 at 1:12 AM, rwiederrich said:

Spent some time building the main cabin today....about an hour of my time before I had to run.

Paneled just like the for cabins.

impressive cabins Rob! 

Rob , what you are doing for McKays legacy is mafnificent! puts to shame entire Boston sleeping population when they let Glory to get burned instead of preserving her . howgh 

On 6/26/2020 at 8:06 PM, NenadM said:

Atttempt No 4. and that is final solution. I just can't do it better. (for now 😁).

Top and the bottom are soldered, another little beadt are glued with CA. Acryl paint will harden all structure.

All made from brass wire 1mm and 0,3mm.

 

 

impressive with arrow Nenad in such small scale. your focus on tiny details is wow. Vlad 

On 4/5/2020 at 1:11 AM, samson said:

Hello everyone here is a small update that has required a lot of patience and 2½ meter anchor chain 1½mm thickness. There are a few stays and backstays missing before I move on to the main mast but it vill com .

 

Cheers

 

Jens.

 

 

This is amazing Jens. 

On 4/25/2020 at 10:47 AM, OldMart said:

Hi Everyone. I hope that I am doing this right? I am not very IT savvy, however Hope to get it right one day. I am attempting the Cutty Sark as my first build, after doing little bit's previously. I am very new to modelling and find this site very informative. I never took many photos when I first started as there was no need at the time, however I have a few after I did the decking, I am a bit further on now so will take more pics when my new camera battery comes, "I let it run down too much and it wouldn't recharge?" 

 

Sorry about the big pic I don't know what happened, I thought it was resized. God bless everyone hope you all keep safe. Kind regards Martin.

From what i can tell her line look sharp and curved as should. very well done. 

On 9/21/2015 at 4:22 AM, baskerbosse said:

Slowly getting there.. Fore braces coming along.

(I unfortunately haven't got much modelling time at the moment. A couple of hours a week is the current speed..)

she is Lovely Peter. this majestic rigged view is what i miss most on my cutty though. 

On 6/13/2020 at 11:28 PM, Bill97 said:

I built the Revell 1/96 Cutty Sark some 50-55 years ago as a teenager. After recently finishing the Revell USS Constitution I decided to do the Cutty Sark again using the skills I have refined over the years as well as the patience that comes with age. This time I decided to work with acrylics as well as enamels to achieve the effects I want, or hope for. Will include more pics as I make my way. 

I like how you treated colors on deck planks Bill. 

Really nice progress on this lovely but yet unforgiving vessel. revell did many things good on this model. . looking fwd ahead. Vlad 

On 6/23/2020 at 8:48 PM, clearway said:

Thanks for the views and likes everyone. Thankyou geowolf and your english is very good. Back in the shipyard and continued with the second planking. The counter was planked with walnut and will be sanded back when rest of planking finished on the "tuck" still trying to work out best way to tackle the run onto the sternpost🤔.

 

 

Take care all

 

Keith

Nice sternpost Keith  ( place for propelled screw ) after modification terror went . reminds me i have 1/48 terror left unfinished somewhere in the dark room  ...:) ice breakers or whatever they are called are finely done. respect. looking fwd ahead. Vlad . ps. looks like dingy next to victory :)) 

On 6/23/2020 at 3:37 AM, OT1138 said:

So this part ended up being kind of a mess. I still didn't like how dark it was, so I brought it down almost to bare wood. I left a bit of the toner in place to give the wood some depth. But that was far too light.

 

The rails were already glued in place so I attempted to brush more toner on and it came out blotchy. So I relented, stripped it down again and masked her off before giving a light spray of Perfect Brown. Finally, a color I liked!

 

 

 

 

I then ended up having to fabricate new parts for the stern as none of the premade ones fit. These were sprayed with 90% Perfect Brown and 10% Red Mahogany. They came out pretty good, I say!

 

A little thing that tripped me up were some builds that put the benches half way up the bulwarks. The 1982 instructions clearly show that they should lay flat, supported by the counter and the main deck. I presume these were provided for seating and if you think about it, placing them halfway up the bulwarks would be far from comfortable!

 

Very nice lines. Vlad 

On 6/19/2020 at 8:08 PM, Jamie Coleman said:

Finished the bow sprite rigging, shrouds and stay sails.  If you were following along in the instructions, you'd see I was jumping between multiple steps, I ran out of pin nails, so I kept working the best I could.  The more I work on this, the more shortcuts I see in the design/instructions as compared to a lot of the build logs/models here.  I'm going to push on through as designed, but lots of room for better rigging detail in the next model.

good day Jamie, neat and lovely work on cutty competitor.  horizontal sailing look is eyecatching .  Vlad