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Sorry, missed your reference to the notation for Diamond and Jason, perhaps something spotted during building. You will never really know the minds at the time.
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Hi Jason, I took from the inboard profile plan for Diana J5531. Interestingly you can see similar movements on the deck plan J5527. Seems a lot of work to move an existing ship for 61/4 inches as it shows moving the bits, wheel and skylight for each change as well. Most probably for slight modifications for each successive order. Most were ordered at the same time including Artois, Diana, Diamond, Apollo, Jason and Seahorse. The fir ships Clyde and Tamar and then Ethalion were ordered later. So unless the plans were used for another class we can assume the alterations were for these last three ships. (four if take into account Clyde was rebuilt). Of course only conjecture. All the original batch seemed to have been launched within a close period of time so was not after the first to improve sea quality.
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Hi, Investigating that Mizzen mast position have come across the details below Sorry for poor drawing but hopefully can show the two locations for the Mizzen mast. One drawn in red which looks to compare with measurements of the kit. Second in green that seems to be as AOS book. Therefore difficult to say when these were moved. There is two lines plans in the NMM. looks like as originally built with open bulwarks the mast was as kit, with built up barricades as AOS. This would imply kit incorrect but still conjecture unless someone has the dates. I have not purchased the drawings so cannot read the text, can someone help with this?
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out of the 9 kits i have built only one has not had some issue like you are experiencing. to be right the forward bulkheads should overlap the bearding at their front side and the rear bulkheads at their rear edge. then once you have faired them they will be reduced back. The bulkhead you are showing with the gap looks to be far to small, I have one such as this on my present build, Diana. I am going to fair them all then pad out the gaps and do them afterwards. It really is down to experience and i still struggle with it now. However, don't worry, wood is forgiving and more can be glued back on to let you sand it again.
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Hi Mark, That link will be a great help, thank you. I think i will buy some cheap wood to practice on first. Blades and set up are limited with my proxxon so may need to invest in a saw. Adrian
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I have it all over my front garden but after 20 years it is still not substantial enough to get any planks from it. Don't think it will be usable in my life time. I have purchased two sheets of 3mm and 5mm thick . Was wondering what was the best tool to use to one planks off at about 1mm thick. Have run a couple off on my small proxxon circular saw but too many teeth marks where i hesitate. Was thinking of setting into a longer bed to make it better for supporting what is a metre length plank.
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Hi Dunnock, I will be watching with interest as just started her myself. Interestingly I had no issues with, and no cleaning up to do of the bulkhead slots, as all fitted together perfectly. My kit has been stored under the spare bed for 10 years which may be why, or has their quality dropped? I am having the same decisions as you regarding bow and stern post and am undecided what wood to use as second planking. I have purchased some box to make my own planks and some pear in case I do not make a good job of the box planks with my small Proxxon circular saw. The only other addition made to the keel is an extra false keel that makes it the correct depth and additionally hides the plywood. I have done this as not decided whether to apply the copper plates yet. Wish you all the best with your build, It does look like you won't need it, doing a great job so far.
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Why do some manufacturers make single plank kits?
Thunder replied to Meriadoc Brandybuck's topic in Wood ship model kits
Don't believe from the above comments that if a kit is double planked it will be good quality. Many are not. Some stretch the limits on gaps between the bulkheads to a level that make it very difficult to plank well without huge hollows in between. If possible i would check this prior to making a purchase. -
Considering the shape of Bounty's bow that planking is excellent. I hope I do that well when I get to build her.
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I thought it was John Bowen that did the model shipwright books.
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Below is a 1:300 scale brig of the cruiser class by Langton Miniatures. This is not a wooden kit though, it is a resin hull. There is also the Pyro range of kits but these are plastic. I have built some of these but cannot find any photographs. I do have them still, will have to take some.
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Excellent, have the first three volumes and was looking into getting the plans as seemed little point having the books without them.
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The most important thing is that you enjoy what you are doing, that is after all what having a hobby is all about. I like to think I am producing something of accuracy but that does not mean that is right for everyone. You build your model the way you want it and enjoy what you have produced.
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Just my opinion but I think what could be a great model can be made to look like a toy if the rigging is poor. It does not take a lot of effort to make it look better, even just the use of different size threads makes a difference. I have said many times but the best guide for an Airfix / Plastic kit is the books by Noel C Hackney. For your period of rig you would be best with the Mayflower book. Especially as you have this kit on your shelf. Takes you through the build and any modifications that you can possibly do to improve. It then takes you through the rigging step by step. I used it as a basis for my Airfix Golden Hind.
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Hi, just seen your build for the first time. Do not know much about this kit but looks like you have used walnut for the deck planking and the first planking, is this correct? Usually this would be for the second planking only, don't want you to end up short for that.
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The answer to that might be that the designer left them and they no longer have anyone that can finish it.
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I would take a look at the 'Modellers Shipyard' kit range. Their Mary Burne ketch or mermaid cutter would be good options and less war like. Never seen one of these kits to say how good they are but subjects look good. I think there is a Mermaid build on here.
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I did see the Arkowood, there is also Ahorn (maple), Birke (Birch), and Weisbuche (hornbeam or white beech?) which all look to be good woods. Thank you for your comments. Tempted to try.
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Hi they have labelled it as Buxbaum Castello wood from Brazil which I believe translates as boxwood. Thank you for your comments a great help.
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Thank you for the replies, I was looking for something to replace the walnut in my next kit and found the above site after someone placed it on here. The boxwood seems a very good price compared to another provider in the UK which does not sell the sizes the same as the kit. I could actually buy the boxwood and the beech for the same price as the boxwood alone in the UK. Before I purchased i wanted an idea of quality. I have seen a few on site that have purchased box only to find it was what looked like dyed lime. Perhaps i could email for a small sample of each. They do sell pear as well but this is more expensive.
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Hi, photographs below are from my unbuilt kit. I have pieced the parts together as best as possible to give you the hull dimensions. looks to be about 505mm from figurehead to taffrail. Measuring from the Anatomy of the ship book Bounty I get same dimension to be 336mm@1/96 scale. Which i think comes out at 504mm @ 1/64 scale.
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Hi, Two questions, has anyone used the attached site in Germany? Willkommen bei der MassivHolzWerkstatt. - modellbau-holzs Webseite! (massiv-holz-werkstatt.de) Is the Buxbaum Castello wood from Brazil good enough quality for second planking? Oh, a third question. Beech is often described as the scale oak, has anyone planked with this and what are its characteristics? Does it cut and bend easily, is it easy to work with? O.k. 5 questions but whose counting! Adrian
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Or if in the UK go and take a look at the place below: https://www.bucklershard.co.uk/ Well worth a visit
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Ships at Trafalgar - what kits are available?
Thunder replied to bruce d's topic in Wood ship model kits
Hi, Not quite the same but many done by Langton Miniatures. I believe at one time you could make a full Trafalgar set for war gaming. http://www.rodlangton.com/index-2.html
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