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Welcome to MSW B

It would be great if you posted a little intro in the new members forum as well.

What model are you building?  If you start a build log you could get a lot of helpful suggestions on work arounds and thus get more sleep😀

Allan

Thanks Dean

Allan

The photo below is the slipways at Hillman Barge and Boat in Brownsville, PA where we had the mishap.  This photo was right after a successful launch as the barge and catch boat can be seen on the right.   Googling photos of the yard like the one I found below brought back some really nice memories.   

Allan

Welcome to MSW <Canadian> Guy.  I hope you enjoy your time here!

Allan

 I worked in two different barge and river boat yards in Pennsylvania and Kentucky and in both we launched everything sideways.   We did have one disaster when one of the four restraining systems was not released to allow the vessel to slide down the ramp so it turned and went off the greased rails.   What a mess that was.   

Allan

Google Buckler's Hard then go to images.   There are a number of photos where you see the slope on the area of the old slipways into the Beaulieu and even the main road through the village slopes down to the river.

Allan

They look to be the forecastle rail (or on some ships the belfry rails) and QD rails.  There may be other terms, but these are the ones I have seen in Lees and other books.

Allan

2 hours ago, Roger Pellett said:

Unless something dramatic has happened in the last five years, New York still lacks a first class museum dealing with it’s important maritime heritage.

While not a museum, the New York Yacht Club has a LOT of schooner models that are exquisite.  It has been some years so things may have changed but I stopped by and told them about a model I was building and asked if I could visit even though I was not a member.  They took me to the room with all the models and left me alone to sketch away.  At that time, no photography was allowed, but I suspect with everyone having a cell phone that may have changed.  Definitely worth a try if schooners and racing yachts are of interest.  I just checked the web and found the following:

The New York Yacht Club offers tours of the Model Room at the New York City club house and the exterior grounds of Harbour Court in Newport, RI are open to the public on the last Tuesday of each month, with the exception of August and December in New York, and January, August and December at Harbour Court.

Allan

In addition to Phil's post, the leech lines were also run up the front of the sail.  I looked at the drawings on page 72 of The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War by James Lees and there is one drawing that appears to have a mistake.  See below.

Allan

Maybe it's me but I think most models, both contemporary and modern, that have cannon show them run out.  As she was not really a warship and never in battle it is not likely the guns were run out except for practice firing. I have no idea what pattern guns were used or if they were long guns or carronades, but there are a number of sources on how these were rigged as well as the sizes of the blocks and lines.  There has been recent discussion on these at MSW.  https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21776-carriage-gun-rigging/  Also keep in mind she had carronades early on and long guns sometime later.

For anyone interested in Beagle and Darwin, the following from the National Archives in Kew is a good listen

https://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/charles-darwin-and-the-beagle/#:~:text=She [the Beagle] was in,battle%2C

Allan

Thanks T.  I will try a few different species.  Do you happen to know the type of wood  you use?  From what I can find on the internet it may be white birch.  This is the same as often used for popsicle sticks and toothpicks in the US.

Allan

I will be giving the stick hammering a try!   Are the cocktail sticks bamboo?  Thanks for sharing the idea!!

Allan

I am always amazed and happy to see the exactness that you put into every part of your builds.  

Allan

Your idea of using a stiffer material is a great idea.  I have used my machinist squares similar to your use of right angle acrylic plates.  Looking forward to your progress.

Allan

Welcome to Model SHIP World JF. Hopefully someone here will be able to give you some help, but this is a ship model group not a stage coach group so you may not get a ton of responses.  We do have a forum here at MSW called Non-ship/categorised builds and there are stage coach builds posted there.   https://modelshipworld.com/search/?q=stage coach&quick=1&type=forums_topic&nodes=73   You may want to post in the non categorised builds to get more viewers or contact the members that posted the stage coach projects.  Hope someone here will be able to help you out.

Allan

I was so tired of Victory builds, UNTIL NOW.  Just tuned in and catching up.  I love that it is the Victory when built in 1765 as it is rarely modeled as she looked then.

Allan

13 hours ago, dafi said:

And another little tid bit that is not normally seen on models.

Great piece of information Dafi!!!

It took me a little while but I did find this in his Elements and Practice of Rigging and Seamanship, Volume I, page 283, 1794 edition

 SLINGS have a long and short leg, and a large thimble seized in the bight. The long leg passes round the after-part of the mast, and reeves through the eye in the short leg; it is then brought back, and securely seized to its own part in several places. By these the yard is retained at the mast-head with a laniard, that splices in the thimbles in the slings, at the fore part of the mast and then reeves through the thimble in the strap upon the yard, and so alternately till the laniard is expended. The end then fraps round the turns, and makes fast with two half hitches. In time of action, the yards are slung with chains.

Looking at Lees, he conjectures that rope slings came into use about 1773 and the use of chains in time of action appeared about the same time.   He goes on to say chain was used at all times as of about 1811.  

Allan

A warm welcome to MSW Brent!!

Allan

One of the many positive things to me about the thoroughness Chuck puts into his kits is the taper of the knee of the head both fore and aft as well as vertically.  This is a pretty basic design item and something seen on virtually all British naval vessels, (and maybe merchant or nations' vessels as well), yet, for whatever reason, the majority of other kit manufacturers seem to ignore this completely.  

Allan

Welcome to MSW Chris.  Looks like a nice kit that you have,  There is a contemporary drawing of Ontario (16) 1780 at the RMG Collections site you might want to download as a reference.  https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-84516    After a quick look the kit plans seem to be very good.  Thanks for sharing your build.

Allan

I was surprised and liked very much that the tops of the bulkheads were removed so the moulded dimension of the bulwark is realistic.   Was this part of the kit instructions? 

Hope to see more progress in your build.😀   

Allan 

21 hours ago, Thukydides said:

You can also find Steel's 1794 book online and transcribed here https://maritime.org/doc/steel/

Keep in mind the 1794 edition is about masting and rigging, nothing about the structure of the hull. The Sim Comfort print of Steel's Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture, if you can find one, goes for about $1000.  You can find all the scantlings from the 1719-1750 Establishments, The Shipbuilders Repository 1788 and Steel's Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture in one book from Seawatch books.  If the era Steel covers is your only interest The Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture, including the scantlings, are free to download  https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Elements_and_Practice_of_Naval_Archi/TWsmw-QqvmAC?hl=en&gbpv=1    Once you download it, scroll down to page 496 to get to the principal dimension folios.  Keep in mind this is for British ships, but lacking better information on US ships, these should be close.  This download was mentioned in a post here at MSW in 2017.

Allan

Looking forward to your build Rick.  You surely picked the number one kit maker for our hobby, bar none.   One of the best things about the Syren model kits is that Chuck thoroughly researches each offering, confers with experts in ship modeling, then builds the model so he can work out any small issues before going into big production.

Allan

Welcome to MSW Ralf,  we hope you have a wonderful time here.

Allan

If you put them in a block/rock tumbler for part 6 it really helps to get a more rounded shape and easier than getting sanding by hand..

Allan