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Bob, 15 minutes per completed internally stopped block? You work fast. Took me about 50 to 60 hours for the last schooner model to make all the sizes with reasonable quality. Allan
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Steven, Surely most officers came from families of "higher status" in the then current hierarchy, but there were some that worked their way to the quarterdeck from before the mast. This following site would take a LOT of time to dig into but maybe take a look at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-navy-officers-service-records-1756-1931/ Allan
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John, Did you try http://www.marinersmuseum.org/library/plans-drawings/ Plans are number MP 01082 Allan -
Thanx Druxey
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Vad It is probably the distortion on the photo, but to me the keel looks bowed rather than straight. If that is the case, this may have added to your dilemma. Allan
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Ciao Matiz I admire your work very much. What wood are you using for the frames, keel, &tc? Lucky you living in Toscana!!! It is one my favorite parts of the world, including the olive oil from Lucca, fenomenale! Allan
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Welcome Alain Having recently vacationed in the south of France, my wife and I have decided if we ever wish to live somewhere other than our current home in Florida, we are heading to Nice or Provence. You are fortunate to live in such a lovely part of the world! Allan
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Richard I am curious as I cannot find anything of an HMS Syren circa 1802. From what I did find, Syren of 1782 was in sea service up until she was put to harbor service from 1805 and broken up in 1822. HMS Siren was to have been a 32-gun fifth-rate, ordered in 1805 but was cancelled in 1806. If Syren 1782 went through refitting after the 1790s she possibly could have had stern davits installed. I suspect the 18 foot cutter (clinker built) would have been the boat hung from a set of the davits. The earlier davits were not capable of handling larger boats so the launch and pinnace may not have been hung. I remember in previous research that 36 gun frigates commonly had only stern davits, thus it may be OK to conclude that there would only be stern davits for the cutter and no quarter davits. Allan
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Richard, I quote from W.E. Mays. In the 1790s an additional system was introduced. Davits were for the first time fitted on each quarter of ships for hoisting two of the lighter boats, usually cutters. ........Boats hoisted at davits came often to be called quarter-boats. According to Admiral of the Fleet Sir Thomas Byam Martin this innovation had not yet appeared in 1790. The earliest example that I have been able to trace was in an order of 1798 that a number of 64-gun ships and some smaller, which were being fitted as transports, should each have a launch, with a jolly boat to stow inside it on the spar-deck, and two 25 foot cutters which were to hang at davits on each quarter. Fixed stern davits were introduced in the 1790s. these were used to handle a sea-boat, most commonly the smallest cutter called the jollyboat. So, Syren of 1782 would not have davits, as-built. That is not to say they were not added at a later date. As to being a fountain of information, I just happen to be lucky enough to have collected several dozen good books. Allan
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Richard According to W. E. May a 32 in about 1781 had a 23/24 foot launch, 30 foot pinnace, and 18 foot cutter. Cutter replace pinnaces in many cases starting about 1782/83. Lavery states that yawls were used in place of cutters earlier on. Neither mentions a 22 foot cutter. so choose your poison. Allan
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Agamemnon and Vanguard twin ships?
allanyed replied to semorebutts's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Nice handle Semore. Share your name please :>) I looked at the RMG collections and the Aggy (64 guns) was 1781 out of Bucklers Hard and Vanguard (70 guns) was 1745 built to the 1745 Establishment and then another in 1787, a 74 (out of Deptford yard) and then again in 1835 (80 guns out of Portsmouth.) It is not likely there were any similarities to Aggy, certainly not sister ships. Maybe I missed one somewhere in between. There are a couple drawings of Vanguard dated 1748 built to the 1745 Establishment but not sure if it is the same ship as from 1745 as the drawing is dated 1745. Allan -
Mrmdpc Glad to meet you. What is your name? Hope this helps. It is from Chapelles American Fishing Schooners, page 381. Allan
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I am thoroughly enjoying the Thomas Kydd series. I have it on Kindle so can get definitions as there are a lot of archaic words used. Not absolutely needed though and they have been fun reads from Thomas being pressed on board to making Post Captain on a frigate through the first 8 books or so and quite a few more to go. Allan
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Greetings, from Seattle Washington
allanyed replied to Estoy_Listo's topic in New member Introductions
Welcome aboard Mark With all the rainy days in your neck of the woods, you will likely have more modeling time than most! Cheers Allan -
Welcome Shaunzy Your project will indeed take perseverance but it will keep you out of the casinos as you won't have the time! Better to have money for tools than the tables :>) Allan
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J There would be several different size lines for the standing rigging. The fore, main and mizzen back stays and fore stays are different as are the shrouds to name a few. For the model, I would not go crazy, but if you use 3 or perhaps 4 sizes, it will probably be enough to give the impression of different sizes throughout and will look far more realistic than using one size for everything. Allan
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Newbie needs help
allanyed replied to Louie M's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Lou Fancy rail and fancy cap are new ones for me. Maybe they mean the cap rail which is just that, the rail that caps the top of the frames. The fashion piece - On the ship and on a framed model these are the aft most hull half frames to which the transoms are mated. Allan
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SOLEIL ROYAL 1669 by michel saunier
allanyed replied to michel saunier's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1501 - 1750
Hi Michel I just joined your fan club and congratulate your professional work. I look forward to seeing your work continue in such spectacular fashion. I love the lost wax cast cannon, especially the cascabels! Allan -
Pandora by marsalv - FINISHED - 1:52
allanyed replied to marsalv's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
TOP WORK The gear and ratchet teeth on the elm pumps are the kinds of details that make your build so exceptional. I cannot tell from the photo but are the "iron" parts made of brass or some other material. Cutting the gear had to be a challenge and if you have more details on that, it would be great to see. Allan -
Bowsprit shrouds and eye bolts in the deck...
allanyed replied to M.R.Field's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
The best I could find on the internet about turnbuckles are quotes calling them out from about 1850. Were they prevalent in usage on yachts, I have no idea. Allan -
Bowsprit shrouds and eye bolts in the deck...
allanyed replied to M.R.Field's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Martin Here is a page that may help. I have no idea why it flips when I attach it here as it is right side up on my file page. What does that line in the eyebolt go to? Years ago I had a chance to sail on a number of boats from monomoys to Weatherly but never saw anything like this. Allan
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Bowsprit shrouds and eye bolts in the deck...
allanyed replied to M.R.Field's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
The eye bolts in the deck could be for fairleads or blocks. I am not sure exactly where these are when you say in the middle of the deck. I would post photos of the pages from Chapelle, but I am not sure if that would be a copyright violation so err on the side of caution. The chain plates would be about 3 1/2" wide and probably 26" to 32" long. They would be 1/2" thick and have a 1/4" bevel all around and let into the planking to the bevel. For the model, I woud make it 1/4" thick and bolt to the planking without letting it into the planking. Again this is all about schooners and such, late 19th and early 20th century. For a Victorian cutter, if it is the Vanity 1885, this information is probably reasonably accurate. Allan -
Thanks Ed, Just took a look at their site and they do appear to have some really nice items that are otherwise difficult to find. I was really hoping for something like this versus you having made the chain yourself! Allan
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Bowsprit shrouds and eye bolts in the deck...
allanyed replied to M.R.Field's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Martin Yacht is pretty generic, so do you have a more specific vessel in mind? The only description I can find in the book Sailing, Seamanship and Yacht Construction by Uffa Fox gives a description for the ketch rigged yacht Landfall. This is pretty much the same as described in Chappele's American Schooner (page 376 gives a nice drawing showing this) Typically the aft end of the shroud is attached to the hull with a thimble and shackle to an eye bolt which goes through a chain plate. The length of the chain plate on each side was usually determined by the spacing of the frames. The forward end at the sprit itself is a turnbuckle shackled to an eye band that goes around the sprit. This band has ears with the holes to accommodate the shackles of the shrouds on the sides, fore stay on top, and bobstays below. Hope this helps. Allan -
Ed Catching up on your log and still amazed! I just went back looking to see if you mentioned the chain you used and cannot find anything so my apologies if you already addressed this. Where did you get the stud link chain? Thanks Allan
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