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6 hours ago, Srenner said:

i was following the drawings in the kit

It is always good to cross reference contemporary based information with any modern instructions.  

If this is Greyhound 1720 the guns at the time she was launched would be Borgard pattern with the George I cypher but I am curious to know which pattern they included in the kit.  With your 3D printing skills, making your own of the appropriate pattern should be doable as the STL drawings are readily available. 

Allan

40 minutes ago, MOURADATOR said:

I'm new on this forum (from France)

I received a Mamoli Britannia model, just splendid

My issue is that I don't have the Instruction notice

Any chance to find a Pdf or a scan somewhere ?

Bonjour Moura,

You should start a post in the plans section here at MSW as you are looking for plans for the Mamoli model Brittania, not the metal called britannia. More members will see your post there than here.    https://modelshipworld.com/forum/13-discussions-for-ships-plans-and-project-research-general-research-on-specific-vessels-and-ship-types/   Did you contact the owner at Mamoli to get a set of plans?  With the fire seven years ago, most everything was lost but Daniel Dusek is a member here and you can PM him to see if there are still any plans.      https://modelshipworld.com/topic/13542-mamoli-model-kits-are-back/

Allan

2 hours ago, RossR said:

At work I often tell people not to let perfect stand in the way of better, and that is the way I am looking at this build. 

That is a great attitude Ross.  A quote to be used by all of us at times.

Allan

Welcome to MSW Antonio.  You officially have over 43,000 new friends and helpers.

Allan

4 hours ago, No Idea said:

Can anyone help me -

Even more useful may be the home made mini wooden carpenter clamps that Ed Tosti describes here at MSW as well as in his books on the Naiad.  https://modelshipworld.com/topic/232-hms-naiad-by-edt-160-frigate-38-1797-finished/#comment-2879  Post #19.   I believe there is information somewhere by others as well on how to make them, including  https://modelshipworld.com/topic/32386-hms-winchelsea-by-tedrobinson2000-148/#comment-929601  post #14.   They are easy to make in any size.  

Allan

18 hours ago, wmherbert said:

And sorry just realized auto correct changed scuppers to scubbers

Hi Bill

Never heard of scubbers, are you sure these are not scuppers (holes that are often lined with metal such as lead from which water drains)?  Painting occurred after they were installed so I would imagine that whatever the paint color was on the hull would have covered the scupper flanges as well.  What vessel?

Allan

Dean,

Getting way off topic here but if you are going to rig the 74,  there are a number of high res drawings of yards and masts circa 1778-1780 on the Wiki Commons site for a 74.  FYI there is also a detailed drawing of the elm pumps.   PM if you cannot find them and I can email them to you.

Allan

Hi Patrick,

The first one resembles an older J class or similar racing yacht.  I may be way off base on this, but I am sure there are members here that can give better information..   The second one is identified as the Bluenose, but if you do some research on her you will see the overall shape, deck housings and furniture look different than the actual Bluenose.  Still, both look to be rather nice decorator pieces for your home.   You may want to consider putting them in cases to keep off the dust and keep them away from any direct sunlight if you want them to last.

Allan

Thanks Mark,

I love dogwoods and it is a shame about the die off in your area,  On the plus side it appears you have a nice supply of a wood that is working well!

Allan

40 minutes ago, MikeR said:

The barrels and hoops pictured above were made out of dogwood.

This is a new one for me.   Is the wood in the photo stained or is that the natural color?   Any other applications for dogwood that you would recommend?

Thanks!

Allan

22 minutes ago, MikeR said:

I used thin strips soaked in water to make these hoops.

Hi MIke

These look very well done.  What kind of wood did you use for the hoops?

Allan

Dean,

I don't know if these will help but there are high resolution drawings of the framing of Vengence (74) 1774,   Venerable (74) 1784, and Revenge (74) 1805 on the Wiki Commons site of plans (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ship_plans_of_the_Royal_Museums_Greenwich ) .    I set up a file of the 800 or so high res drawings from the site with subfolders by ship size.  I added key drawings in some subfolders from elsewhere in low res if they were missing on the Wiki site as well as contracts where I could find them.   I wanted to have these available for all members in the articles data base or elsewhere but the file is 45GB so apparently cannot be done.  Attached is a contract of a 74 from 1781 that may shed some light as framing is described in some detail in general and the top timbers in more detail on pages 7 and 9. 

 Hope this helps at least a little.

Allan 

74 gun 1781.docx

15 hours ago, Jaager said:

Are the stanchions that hold up this rail extensions  of the actual top timbers?  Or is the main rail left intact and various carpenters devises used to seat the short stanchions? 

Dean,  Are you referring just to the Unicorn mentioned above?  If so does the framing drawing help?   https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-81761   

15 hours ago, Martes said:

And see how smoothly they are integrated into the planking:

Martes, this is important and it did change over time.   The thicknesses of the wales and planking above and below varied with size of ship and era even within just the English Navy.

Examples below show the variation from the 1719 Establishment through the scantlings given by Steel.  Additional details can be found in various contracts as well. 

Allan

From the above photo there appear to be no wales at all.  Another photo is below looking similar to the photo you posted Martes.   A planking expansion ZAZ2156 that RMG Collections has for Unicorn 1824, Latona 1821, Diana 1822, et al, shows what appears to be wales with anchor stock planking so the planking in the photos may be from refurbishing in later years.  Any ideas?  The description at RMG does mention it shows alterations for Latona, Diana, and Fox and they give a date of 1820-3; March 1823

Allan

6 hours ago, GrandpaPhil said:

Check out Grainger

Thanks Philip,  I forgot about Grainger.  We used to buy from them in the distant past but their prices are much higher than MC for some things.  I just checked now on bits and for example, a #80 high speed jobber bit from MC is $5.29 and from Grainger it is between $7 and $9.  

Allan    

3 hours ago, Martes said:

It should not be, however, taken as a universal rule.

Hi Martes,

I totally agree with you.  It seems that very little in ship building in those days, and perhaps more modern times as well,  should be taken as universal, especially across national borders.  My fault for not mentioning I was originally only referring to English ship build logs where the overly thick wale is a predominant feature.  

Allan

1 hour ago, Scuttlebutt said:

I need to buy some contact cement

Why not use any of a number of great wood glues?  There has been a good bit of discussion here at MSW in recent weeks on the virtues of various glues, but contact cement does not seem to have any advantages for ship modeling, even if it is suggested by at least one kit manufacturer.  Of course it is your choice in the end, but consider reading the many posts about the plusses and minuses of various glues before getting "stuck" with one that does not work for you.

Allan

On 5/11/2023 at 2:26 PM, Thukydides said:

Good job on the garboard.

I agree!   Too many times we see models with the garboard running much too far forward and up onto the stem area.

Allan

Super welcome to MSW.  NICE MODEL.😀

Allan

On 7/10/2023 at 10:10 AM, glbarlow said:

I’m in a never ending search for quality drill bits at the size we need them. They are worth the search.   

I wish I could find a source as complete as McMaster Carr, but at a little better price.  Looking at other suppliers such as DBW, which they claim are all US and/or German made bits, the prices are even higher so MC may be the best way to go.   Any sources you or anyone else can share would be appreciated.

Allan

I like how you secured the waist rail in place for the full run first rather than trying to put individual pieces.  For me this is the easier way to get a smooth line the entire length.   

She is looking great!

Allan

Nicely done Glenn!!!! 

I don't recall if this came up previously, but for your carriage axles, if not for this build, maybe for the future, have you seen post #129 of    https://modelshipworld.com/topic/29563-hm-brig-sloop-flirt-1782-by-glbarlow-vanguard-models/page/5/#comment-858504  to easily make round axles rather than square with radiused corners?   Then again if the trucks are precut with their center holes, the fit might not work.

Allan

18 hours ago, Mike 41 said:

This model is made from one of the kits. Weasel Works is a private club, and the kits are not available to the public.

Hi Mike,

I may be misinterpreting but are you saying the kit in the photos are not available to MSW members? 

Thanks

Allan

Just joined the party and happy that I did.  She is looking really fine Steve!

It appears that you tapered the knee of the head, which is fantastic.  Was this part of the kit instructions or was this based on your own research?  

Allan

Herbert,

Were you able to you roll on the paint while it was hanging vertically as well?   

Thank you

Allan