allanyed

On 7/12/2023 at 2:30 PM, Azzoun said:

By the way, all those references came from a book you should get if you're going to continue rigging ships. 

Peterson's book has nice drawings but unfortunately no dimensional information for blocks or lines and is very limited as it is based solely on one model of an English 36 gun frigate, the Melampus 1794.  It might not be very appropriate for other British naval rates and eras (or Canadian fishing schooners that came 127 years later.)  There is a lot of rigging information, including block sizes and more for American fishing schooners that may be more closely related to a Canadian fishing schooner in Chappelle's book The American Fishing Schooners.  

Allan

Hi Bill,

Ref. photos in post #955..... Is there a reason you used "tarred" line instead of normal running rigging line?  I would think tarred line would gum up the sheaves in the blocks if used on a real ship.   I cannot find any information so far where tarred line was run through blocks.  Maybe someone can shed some light on this based on sources contemporary to the 17th through 19th centuries.

Allan

Do you know what pattern gun is in the drawing?  It looks a little bit like an Armstrong-Frederick pattern which would be appropriate for 1777 but the one in the drawing is a design I have never seen before for this period.  

Allan

Thank you Pat and Bob.   I had been wondering if someone could have created a problem in the articles data base and that was why my system would not allow it to open.  I see that I can bypass this, but still wonder if there is not some problem in the program.   In the end there is always the complete version in Lees albeit much slower to use than Danny's spreadsheets. 

Thanks again everyone!

Allan

Thukydides

Do you know what size and pattern cannon is in the drawing you show in the first post?   I imagine it is something like six pounders on a cutter but not sure as the rigging with the double block is more like what was normally used only for the largest calibers.

Thanks

Allan

11 hours ago, Thukydides said:

I am having trouble picturing what you mean by thimbles attached to the neck of the button.

Me too.  I cannot find a picture anywhere.   The only information I can find is from Caruana .History of English Sea Ordnance Volume II, page 383

It is documented in the first edition of Falconers Marine Dictionary , (T. Cadell, London, 1769) where it is stated that "the middle of the breeching is seized to the thimble of the pommillion", when the guns were cast loose prior to firing.  The so-called Burner edition of Falconer, published by Cadell in 1815 is more specific (but very out-of-date) stating that the breeching "is fixed by reeving it through a thimble, strapped upon the cascabel".   A gun fitted in this manner exists at the Rotunda Museum of Artillery   

Allan

Thank you very much Ben and Bruce!!!  VERY much appreciated.

Allan

Way too much to copy from Caruana's History of English Sea Ordnance Volume II, pp381-3    In short, up to about the middle of the 18th century the breeching was simply taken in a round turn round the neck of the button and secured by means of a seizing.

The next solution employed wrought iron double thimbles attached to the neck of the button. 

The thimbles were eventually discontinued in favor of a spliced eye in the bight of the breeching.  This is described in Steel's Art of Rigging of 1797. 

Of course the breeching ring of the Blomefield changed everything.

Allan

I believe finding boxwood in any form is difficult and it is expensive.   I found small logs some years back and have hoarded it for carvings so if you have more than you need right now, be happy.

Allan

1 hour ago, BenD said:

What are you using?

 Sorry Ben, but I have no idea what you mean.   All I know is that it says Microsoft is blocking due to macro.

Allan

4 hours ago, DaveBaxt said:

This  boxwood seems to have a larger grain than boxwood previously used.and has a tendency to split, when cutting the sweeping ports and gun ports ,

The work still looks really fine David.   Splitting and larger grain on boxwood does sound odd.  Is this a true English buxus or a different species going by the name boxwood as was the case with Castello for period of time?

Allan

Has anyone recently tried to use this lately?  I had no issues in years past but recently I get a message that the program has a potentially dangerous macro and will not open.  I have no idea what that means, and I am worried the program has been compromised.  It would be a shame as it quickly provides the same data  based on James Lees proportions in The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War.  (The exception is the time period 1670-1710 as the ratios Danny used in the spread sheet are incorrect and should not be used.)  

Allan

8 hours ago, alpayed said:

I have found errors in Steel's work.

There are several errors in Steel's Elements and Practices of Naval Architecture as well, usually scantlings on two lines transposed such as breadth having the thickness dimension and thickness having the breadth dimension.   Even with these few miscues both the Steel rigging and building books are great, the only drawback is that they apply to a somewhat limited time frame.

Allan  

7 hours ago, AlainB said:

the machine will work in the garden!

I don't know where you are located in France, but if you are in Provence I would work in the garden every day that I could, surrounded by lavender,  and snacking on Charentais melons.   Allan

5 hours ago, NRG Office Manager said:

Allan - Thank you so much for your generous donation!

You'll be getting a CAMM pass from me as well!

My pleasure.🙂  The MSW site has brought me MANY hours of pleasure and the donation is the very least I could do.   The Admiral told me that based on the amount of time I spend on the site (and out of her space) that I should not cheap out.  Thanks for the CAMM pass.  I will do my best to get to at least a couple of the museums, including the one in Bradenton which is on our way to Tampa in October when we are going up to see Aerosmith on their last concert tour.  Good times!!!!  

Allan

7 minutes ago, TBlack said:

My only comment is that the site won’t let you give more than $100.

You are right.  There should be a way of typing in a unique amount like a lot of restaurant machines now have.   

Allan

It looks similar to the Jim Byrnes sander.   I cannot speak for the Vanda Lay unit but my Byrnes unit is about 15 years old and runs like the day I bought it.  Thousands of board feet of wood have gone through it.  It is a bit more compact than the Vanda Lay unit with the motor built into the frame. No matter which unit you choose, DO NOT use it without a vacuum hose attached. If you do not have a shop vacuum set up, portable or otherwise, you will need one.  The amount of fine power sawdust created is immense and will cover everything, including you.    Wear a mask!!!!!  

Allan

14 hours ago, Yorky1 said:

Of course the AL kit had no such thing but I just had to ad them.

Love it!!!  Well executed.

Allan

Hi Mary,

I clicked on these but it just goes back to this string.  

Allan

Hi Mary,

I clicked on these but it just goes back to this string.  

Allan

10 hours ago, kurtvd19 said:

If you have ever tried to use Steel’s Tables for your masting and rigging,

Hi Kurt,

THANK YOU.   If this is only for masting and rigging, the title Steel's  Dimensions of a Ship of each Class in the British Navy may be confusing.  Are these just for the masting and rigging found in Steel's Elements and Practice of Rigging and Seamanship or does it also include the scantlings in Steel's Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture?   If the former maybe he should change the title to Steel's Dimensions of Masting and Rigging of each Class in the British Navy. 

Thanks again.

Allan

It will likely take a bit of research but I would start with Meyer Werft.  I have been given drawings by shipyards in the past when I told them I was interested in building a model.  These were pleasure craft, but it might work for your project as well. 

Allan

Allegheny

It would be very nice if you would post an introduction about yourself in the new member forum here at MSW.  In the meantime, Welcome Aboard

As you can see this topic went quiet 7 years ago so you might get more responses if you post in the plans forum or even bring it up in the new member forum if you post an intro there.  

Do you have the plans of Ingomar from 1904 in Chapelle's book The American Fishing Schooners on page 256 and the other books listed by Giorgio in the first post or have you researched the Smithsonian and LOC to see what they might have that would help you?

Allan

I am not sure this would be any help but RMG Collections has a contract of the Albacore Class (1856).   If it is like earlier contracts, it will at least have scantlings for all the timbers.  Between body plan and scantlings, there may some help for your project.   https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-572899

Allan

8 hours ago, Darius359au said:

a reasonable price compared to what was being asked online

I see copies listed in very good condition for US $5.  Abe Books has a great reputation and they are one of several sources  https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31527379389&ref_=ps_ggl_18382194370&cm_mmc=ggl-_-US_Shopp_Trade0to10-_-product_id=COM9780853440918USED-_-keyword=&gclid=Cj0KCQjwib2mBhDWARIsAPZUn_nGDa5BJUHKzwKOPtXMJLF1aGxaUQ8u_v1_4yHgD4oSwu-HbVkPBVcaApm-EALw_wcB