themadchemist

looks like you got really good symmetry on the waterline. Have you considered using pin stripe tape as a border stripe along the water line?

So are you going to distress it or weather it in anyway? If you haven't seen Franks build it even has barnacles,

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/133-hmat-supply-by-riverboat-jotikacaldercraft-164th-scale/page-2?hl=barnacles#entry2414

With the thinning you did back in post #78, the stern keel line should be thinned sufficiently that you have very little thinning to do. Nothing like I did.

You pictures are illustration a beautiful planking job and really nice fit. You question on the "no dropped planks" would be correct, but actually it would be strakes as in a real pilot of approximately 50 foot, it would be impossible to find 50 foot planking and each strake would be made of several shorter planks, but as your not having to eliminate a strake due to spacing, we typically say "no dropped planks". It was also a goal of mine on my build and as it appears, your planking is going together much better than mine, based on the clinkering effect your getting, but that is all fixable with scraping and sanding.

The question is.... the 1st planking is going to look so good, your not going to want to cover it.

Excellent planking giantdog.

By the way, give those giant canine an extra hug. My wife's sister had tragedy the last 2 months and lost all 3 of her dogs to age and health issues. Love them while you can. I know my two are getting extra spoiled this weekend as I mourn for their cousins. Its crazy how deep they get in your heart. 

...... Xtreme bulwark sanding...brought to you by NO FEAR

Just my opinion, and this comes from doing auto body sanding.
As it looks that the edges are getting hit hardest... are they high or curved.... are you using a block or hand sanding.....either has issues if the surface has a compound curvature. I remember a molded in hood scoop on a '68 Mustang that I shaped into the blinker light bezels in the hood and the complex curvature made symmetry and smoothness a real pain to get right.
 
I would go with the voice of experience and go with Alistair's method. Rubbing one out can make a world of difference and not just on paint. The ebony domino's, which are my DSotM's stand, shine like crazy and its just from 1000 grit sanding then a hard buffing with soft cotton. I was quite happy with the finish and never expected such a shine from just raw wood, but then ebony is very tight grained.
 
It is always these little detail tasks that seem to take so much time in grasping them, It makes them more precious when we acquire them.
..... but I like a steep learning curve.
 

Starbuck knees, now I've seen everything.

So is this now a Coffequillier, or would that be Cafe'quillier... 

Nice updates and work Dee Dee. She looking Awesome.

I was lucky enough to catch the M&M build before the crash > daydream.....< .... it was a fun log and although could be recreated, it would never be the same without the banter. It was finished by the time I joined, but that made it no less spectacular. That's such a shame. So much was lost that tragedy, it was like the loss of a ship in so many ways.
 
you say "the Holiday harbor is the second set of my original experiment" but what of the lobster twins? I'd count those as original and one you cut the frames for IIRC. Time to cut back on the woopee pies as the sugar is effecting your memory ..... and are those the spinach cream variety by any chance?

I really agree with you on the custom build and the freedom is brings. Everyone should try one.

Popeye the Ambassador of Outstanding Multiple Customization Building (AOMCB)...I figured a title like that needed an acronym.

freedom..... what a wonderfully abstract concept she is   

Now that's some small drilling. Hopefully the mill and collet will help with bit breakage, I'd definitely feed it slowly as bit flex from too much down force is the only problem left, not sure how hard the pear is, but that price of the added drilling time will pay for itself if you break a bit at that price. ...and don't forget to cross your fingers

On the Vasa grating pic, Matti, I'm assuming that grating in the pic is a new piece due to the wood color.... I saved it and expanded it until digitization and you can clearly see double diagonal nailing, barely. Was there enough of the original grating to get that detail on the rebuilt, or are there other gratings that survived and showed the double nailing?

Nigel, good luck with this setup and at learning the nail rolling technique. I've considered trying it since reading its method, but haven't. Luckily now I can sit back and watch you work out all the bugs to the learning curve   

One thing I wonder and can't remember, the rolling technique I think would flair both ends. Did he use a cup burr to dress the end before cutting another. I would think that would help, otherwise both ends would have heads. I used a cup burr of the bow shroud bracket  and rudder nailing to get them to slide into the hole better. Just a though...

Seriously though, that is why your logs a jewel, for learning technique.....and great discussion... not just stealing ideas (but that too)

Even when you haven't a clue what your doing, Pretend and others won't usually know.

BTW, your doing a GREAT job faking bewilderment. It does feel that way though so the emotional feel isn't fake, but technically the 3rd photo of the shaped plank to a beauty and shows the hint of magnificence to come.

All and all, it's just a, another plank in the Hull.....

everyone's judgment it different, but I personally like lighter, just a hint darker then the surface typically.
That said
 
I like
Top half is old filler in .024" holes

then
Red is .028" holes with the new maple filler

and actually I think the new maple with .024 holes would be perfect. Wouldn't you know I'd pick something you didn't do.
My reasoning is color density would lessen with size and the darker maple would make the smaller hole appear larger. To me they all look large, with respect to the scale, the .024 fits best, at least to my eye. I think the maple would give it just that hint more prominence, while being closer to scale.

But that's my opinion. ultimately, your Captain and it is your preferences that matter most.

...The Endless River.....

I have nothing to say but.... WOW.

Looking good gd,

As I made my keel, I seem to remember it being 1mm thicker then the kits, but what you've done on the stern will definitely help in sanding her to shape later, once the planking is in place. Some find this part repetitive, but as each plank is differently shaped they are all new experiences.

When I taught. friends would ask, doesn't it get boring teaching the same thing over and over. To which my reply was always NO, because every class has its own personality and its no different then share a life story with different friends. Planking is all about state of mind, some see it as a task to "just get through" where I prefer to see it as something to savor.

I also snubbed off the garboards and had a rather large gap, where your fix adjusted for that. As its under the keel, it's not a problem and building the simulated keel line without a keel and rabbet is always a compromise.

This is the one part of the build where I'd say, Staying with in the lines is important, otherwise.... let her show the personality of the Captain.  

ME!

As I contemplate the DSotM's rigging, the sails are a concern. Especially the bolt rope attachment.
Nils solution is both elegant in design and easy as one can use the machine, plus they have the added realism of them being hand sewn. The rubbing patches, give them depth, which creates that real feeling.

If no one else got anything from Nils sails tutorial, what I learned alone makes it worth it. Of course though, I know I'm not alone and many will benefit.
Reading build logs is like homework for me.
As I slowly think through things - Nils has help me with sails, Cap'n'Bob has helped me with rigging hardware, and on and .......

your right Cap'n,
with all that spinach activation energy coursing through is veins...I can just see a Scooby Doo Mystery machine in the future if I'm not careful.
 
imagine this with a keel, instead of wheels.
Scooby-Doobey-DOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo



Seriously though, from re-watching the movie, the ice machine breaking caused them to stop and turn around. If this is historic, you wonder if they might still be alive if it hadn't stopped. It makes me curious, I may have to re-watch the movie as I can't remember if the ice machine was down before they lost radio contact.
Of course movies are poor for historic fact typically ...but it makes you think ... what if...

Every historic build has a story and I love when people engage that aspect, kind of like Dafi and the plate racks.

Thinking about the daily life aspect of any build is fun to imagine.

Not your ignorance...OURS....

We are in the dark as to what ideas lurk in that spinach powered brain of yours. The not knowing (ignorance) is the best part of watching this type of build(bliss).

I love seeing just what your mind will come up with and how you will approach it.

With most kits we pretty much have an idea what step will be next.... but with a custom, the build becomes a real "who done it" mystery. Sometimes I think you've borrowed Mark's cloning equipment as otherwise how do you get so much done.

The Spinach Armada

So is she going to have the working ice machine also 

So how do you duplicate the drum barrel ridges,... hum...

this is gonna be like the lobster twins and the holiday ships like the M&M Fun Ship. Just what I wanted for the holidays... the work of a mad genius in overdrive for our viewing pleasure. Free entertainment and lessons on thinking outside and inside the box and even without a box.

Ignorance is Bliss, and watching and wondering the what and how of it is the most fun part

4?
don't forget the Half Moon, Gothenborg, Syborn, USS United States....tmc scratches his bald head, ... hum am I forgetting any.

Great advise Dan, why didn't I think of that




WOW, even better!

Hello giantdog,
BTW what kind of dog is that, it looks like Marmaduke? I have a friend that had a 200+ pound Rottweiler called Bear and he was as gentle as a kitten, but didn't know how big he was.
 
I don't know of a name for this plank, maybe garboards brother  
 
It is a relatively easy plank to put on, except for the stem, where it edges and rounds the garboard to the stem. You will probably notice it will need edge/lateral bending to get it up against the garboard at the stem. As this plank hits the maximum curvature portion of the stem line, I found it a bugger to decide exactly how to have it meet the stem line. Plus it appears wider as it is covering more curvature. Once I passed this plank, there was no looking back and each plank increased my confidence, until I had became addicted to planking.
 
I just posted links to a series of videos on youtube done by Traditional Maritime skills and Marcus Lewis in my build log as there are many new builders at the moment. They are for a clinker built boat but there is a lot of information that is transferable. If the tick mark method is of any question, watch the series of 5 videos on lining off planks. For me watching the process is worth many thousands of words. It also made me want to build a clinker long boat. The addiction continues, so watch at your own risk  

I can't wait to see your next progress. Your foundation is good and you seem to have the patience required for the task at hand. Plus you seem to have the MOST essential part needed... your enjoying it.
 
As Remco states in the HMS Kingfisher log...
Treat each part as if it is a model on its own, you will finish more models in a day than others do in a lifetime.
http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/18-hms-kingfisher-by-remco-1770-english-14-gun-sloop-pof-148/?hl=remco

Excellent giantdog,

Marking is exactly as I would do it and I don't really see the asymmetry of the twist you speak of. If it is that subtle, sanding and scraping will take that right out.

Your on the path to an excellently planked hull.

Let the fun begin...um...oh my...IT ALREADY HAS

if were throwing around Jedi analogies...

Don't forget Obi Wan was a padawan, when Qiu-Gon and he found Anakin. Lines are sometimes blurred.

On your first attempt you say you tried, but you "did not" if you look only at the physical aspect of the build. What you did "DO" was to progress forward in your understanding by continuing to build, which is the important point. Its all within the internal emotional process. If the "try" that didn't work, allowed you to stop, then you would have "DONE NOT", but since you continue, you "DO".

This was Yoda's fear of Luke leaving, because few return, or finish the task once diverted.

So, I see absolutely no "DO NOT" just a continuation of "DO" as your still moving forward.

Failure only occurs when you stop trying.

May the Force be with You     

That's an ingenious method, I would have never thought of but sounds simple (with practice) now that you explain it.

Thanks for explaining that.

As I've halted my build to better understand the rigging, the sails and their production is a major concern. Having masters of the art to aid in my and others understanding is so helpful and inspiring, as the details of construction is more valuable then just the pretty pictures of the finished piece.

Thanks for helping so many to understand so much. I love your build log for this reason.

I also hope your furnace issues are resolved as that can be quite a burden. 

Thank you Dee Dee, your expertise is always welcome and you photos help show an important point.
Your tape experiment is such an excellent tool and a visual way of understanding the complexities of planking lay.
I still can't help but see your tape experiment as a very unique method of making a mathematical aspect of hull shape and form mathematically visual. Just Brilliant.
 
Also, just 2 hours to shape that plank, I must work harder, as my time would have been double that. Your MBLS and Coquillier are 2 amazingly shaped hulls which really have given you a deep understanding as a builder. You have done an excellent job, relaying that information to others also. Your builds are jewels of information and I highly recommend their study for all new builders.

I've always loved when math, science and the real world collide and become applied, as I see it as the best way to learn. Most sailors never took a physics class in their life, but yet they are some of the best applied physics minds ever, due to their intuitive understanding of what to them was "just' a job.

Beautiful work Nils, my friend, and thank you for sharing this information. It is a very useful.

Are the bolt ropes machine or hand stitched?

There's a million ways to plank a boat or ship and AL may have created the "master plank" idea or word, but to my thinking a full width master plank would
1) cause a huge crowding issue especially at the bow, which
2) would cause one to have to drop planks especially at the bow.... and
3) rather then having to fit 1 plank to 2 sides, if forces you to do 2 per side.
 
That last "whiskey plank" can take time to fit good and tight as your fitting both sides.
 
I actually got out the AL instructions and read ALL 3 PARAGRAPHS (WOW) on planking (BTW mine an 82' also). Talk about detail LMAO.

Now I remember why I didn't use them. The plans are worth way more then the instructions.

I hear the San Francisco AL instructions are just as bad but she's already being planned for a bash-fest.  A Spanish Piece in tribute to the Floyd, with painted sails as she may have been historically.
 
Actually adding the sheer plank is usually laid last in reality, but in modeling it isn't.
BobF's longboat log, illustrates this garboard up construction of a carvel planked hull and Ron's longboat for his onieda does also, but then its clinker plank and has to be constructed that way.
 
One of my reasons for starting to build is my love of R&D and applied physics. I may have went coocoo on the Pink Floyd theme, but the rest is physically accurate. The PF references may be out of scale (but maybe for a reason) making it caricaturesk, but the construction and rigging is and will be as it would function in reality, As understanding the applied physic of these vessels construction is a wide and deep subject I started with a fore and aft rig. Then on to a square rig with the SF. I'm definitely no expert, just asking lots of questions when I see anything new.
 
Also Tony, on the last link, the boat has chines, which changes everything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chine_(boating)

I build the Midwest dinghy to get a feel for how a chine lays. It was a fun build.

My canoe (1st build, with the bulging bottom) taught me the importance of narrowing planks through the curvature of the stem or there will be over crowding.

The long boat was the same, but it was more about understanding how to work with the particular woods and to see if I could pull off that scale.

Everyone should build one of those little buggers.

I feel discussions like this important to learning. I can't remember how many things students taught me, as I was always open to learning from all directions...and sometime new mind think more outside the box.

Is it just me or has it taken considerably less time to get to this point compared to v1?

A redux is so painful emotionally, but the practice it forces upon us is so worth it.

It may be hard seeing this going in to a restart, but thinking back to when you made the decision to restart and how hard it must have been. Isn't it amazing how right that decision feels now.

As I celebrate my 2nd year this month of my first build, I remember marveling at the Plank on Frame masterpieces of the old MSW v1 and never consider myself able to even wish of such, but 2 years and a lot of helpful, patient individuals have made a one time fantasy into a goal.

I find your work Inspiring Mark, but not just the Licorne build and her log, but rather everything you do by encouraging other builders. Your presence within the community of MSW is a bigger goal then a POF ship. Thank you for always raising the bar, while at the same time helping to teach and encourage others to reach their goals and clear their hurdles. I still think your a clone, that or a speed reader and typist. FLASH the super hero maybe. 

You have earned your RESPECT. 

So if you say so, silled is a word, ....  I think a verb, meaning to have constructed a sill  

Here's to your symmetrically silled Gun Ports 

Your Licorne is Brilliant Mark and so is her Captain