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Popeye, Sails turned out great, Nice work, again. Guess I'm gonna have to learn to sew. The light boxes are a Nice upgrade also. I love the lines of this ship, its so elegant. So I got confused somewhere, the decals (the Eagle) came with the kit? or you made it? I thought I'd read earlier that you had another sent. What I'm interested in in how do you make decals. Is there a post showing that? or was that old MSW? I have a Bluenose that I wasnt going to paint if I don't have a way of doing the scroll work. Thanks for any help. Oh one other thing, if the watered glue painted sails where dried on a light globe or fish bowl (something rounded) would they keep that shape like a sail full of wind? Shine On -/\= Keith
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Nice Build Russ, Been busy and missed your putting this up, but this way I see it all without waiting . I really like the idea of the generic cross-section for honing ones skills and understanding before attempting a large tall ship. I'm quickly understanding that maybe too many new to this hobby rush into a project much larger then they are capable of, without understanding the length of time it takes to master the Art of Building. My first knee jerk was to want to build a larger project but as I am quickly learning, not just the building of models takes time, but so to does learning the Art. The more I build the more I appreciate the work of others I see. Thanks for sharing this, It's not just an awesome model but a lesson in learning the art of the shipwright. Shine On -/\= Keith PS: I love the use of the cherry from the yard, I was just watching a show on making wooding spoons from the crooks in fruit trees and I have a cherry in the yard and a walnut, pecan......
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Sorry to here of your loss, and completely understand. Something's have more value because of sentiment. I recently bought the Midwest Dinghy to build for my Mom-in-law. Its always been kinda a term of endearment between us. I was wanting to gold leaf her name on the transom. Wow 3 ft under the beams, was it run by Hobbits, sheesh at 6'2", Id have to crawl. Keith
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I've heard of skimping on the cost of a build but this ship is gonna draw water from both ends. It'll go down faster then the Wasa BTW, Love your Wasa.Ive seen her built with different colours but really love that lighter blue you used. Seriously, I love these cut-aways. Have you considered adding more detail to the lower decks, i.e. barrels, ballast rock... Looking at the side view you really get an idea of how cramped that second deck is, Look 5' something. Going to sea would suck for 6'2'' people like me. Keith
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Hey philo I know what you mean. Going from scraping molding flashing from the plastic connection points to making and shaping everything from a box of sticks has been quite a new experience on my end too. When I told a friend I was building a wooden ship they said COOL, until I showed them the kit. They said "thats just a box of sticks". So far the instructions have been the worst part. Plastic kits definitely spoil us on that part too. I started with the Peterboro Canoe and am glad I did. By the time I finished sanding the hull it was like glass. Just don't hold it up to the light. It got pretty thin in places. Next time you get the camera out can you take a shot of the stem where the bulwarks come together, from inside the ship? I've test fitted the Bulwarks and the way they over lap at the stem I'm not sure how to cut them and get the proper angle. Although I'm still hour's and hour's from that point. Plankings going slow on this end but that why I started this hobby, to kill time. I'm enjoying building alot though, even with the huge learning curve. Keep on Updating, I'm following your build. Shine On -/\= Keith
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Hello Grant Nice HMS Victory, she is definitely First Rate! At 2682 clove hitches thats only 44.7 minutes.... if you can do them at a rate of 1 per second.... . or 44.7 hours if it takes a minute... YIKES, no wonder ratlines give me nightmares. Seriously, once in rhythm how long does it take per hitch? How many hours over all do you think it took, just curious? Also do they get easier or more difficult as you work up the Shroud? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm new and picked the Swift specifically because it has no ratlines. Is it me or do others find this task daunting. You definitely have the ratline hitchin' gift I dont see a sag anywhere. Absolutely Magnificent! Beautiful Build and great show of bravery in Bashing the stern. Its one thing to bash a kit as you go, it's another to tear off something thats nicely completed and improve upon it. She's a beaut' with all the shrouds up. Can't wait to see her fully rigged. Thanks for the info on the netting (tulle I think you called it) and the ships boat build. MSW just has so many ideas, I love this place. Shine On -/\= Keith
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Philo426 Did you find the planking (first planking) to be uneven thickness in your kit? I have. I seems the brass pins and dogleg brackets arent the only parts that need adjusting. I also had to glue a bit of deck on as the bulkheads were sticking out on one side and I didnt want to just grind down the bukheads. Guess this is all part of ship building, dealing with whatever the kit throws at you. Keith
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Ive never even heard of poutine. I love squeaky cheese curds though, we have a local dairy that sells Great cheese curd at our farmers market. I'll try anything once, give me Augie's portion. Keith
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Thanks Wayne, Looks like these are web access only - Guess I'll save in favorites. Can't figure out another way to DL them. Keith
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Hello Philo426 I saw Jarero had similar problems with those aft support doglegs. He's working with the newer Swift kit though and it has several diferences. Keep up the good work. Your making way better head way then I am. Looks like your camera likes to focus about like mine. I dont even want to think about the rudder yet. Shine On -/\= Keith
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Jarero I like that picture of the rudder with the brass fixtures and the brass nailing. Looks nice against the wood. Drilling the Hole must of been nerve racking, (i'm dreading that and the Bowsprit. Any tricks on drilling that big of a hole in a curved surface, I assume a pilot hole but I'm afraid of splintering. I was wondering did you do anything like masking tape and drill? Also, did shimming out those curved supports affect anything else. On my kit I had to remove about 2 -3 mm from the aft deck for it to match the keel. Shine On -/\= Keith
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That would be one really bad aspect of being out to sea.... no pizza delivery I just finished reading Capt Blighs account of the Muntiny voyage... no pizza delivery there. Amazing feat of sailing and commanding. His food rationing saved 18 lives and left them 11 days more if needed. So, Lt Commandore Sjors, Sir, do we get our 1/25th pound of pizza ration, Sir! @ Sarah, thanks for the bligh journal link. Cheers! , Keith
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MONTANES by Garward - OcCre
themadchemist replied to Garward's topic in - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1751 - 1800
Hello Garward Well I'm caught up finally. So how much more to add before your caught up to the build? This was a magneficent feat in 3 ways: The Build, the original log (sad loss) and then putting the log back up. Thank You so much for the efforts to include us in your project and teach us a few tricks of the Master along the way. By the way, I didn't see you mention which finish you chose, or maybe I missed it. I'm guessing 4 the Linseed. I really liked the sheen of number 3. She looks fabulous and the detail would take days to completely take in, believe me seems I've spend hours looking and relooking over the pictures. Shine On -/\= Keith -
To my thinking, which could be completely wrong, I would think brass would have been used seldomly for areas that were under high stress conditions, like on a rudder. But it sure looks pretty . I personally have a problem seeing paint put on beautiful wood also. Whats great is we can build them as we like, and during the process discuss all the various details. As a newcomer I'm probably discussing things repeated over and over. One thing I guess I need to invest in is a library. I have hundreds of books but nothing on ships. What would be a really good primer for getting the history of ship construction. Ive been reading Bligh's account of the mutiny after looking through the Jolly boat logs. Thought it would be dry reading but its actually quite interesting. Keith
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@ Augie Thats what I love about this place. Great rational discussions and debate, and a genuine atmosphere of constructive criticisms. The perfect learning environment. I've learn more from belonging to MSW (actually I lurked until the crash) then I could in any classroom and its more fun then the classroom setting. I love how every persons build is right, because who knows exactly how they were and many ships changed repeatedly with refits. That brings up a question The San Ildefonso was taken at Tragalfar if memory serves me and became the HMS Ildefonso. Someone had statement it looked like a mini-victory, which made me wonder, was the black and ocre colors used by both english and spanish ships? is there a history to why certain colors were used? Like I said, this hobby creates so many interesting questions. Keith
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Most of what I've learned about metals or the alloying of them has been since my disablity. As an analytical chemist I had some fun with the toys associated with metal analysis (ICP-MS AAS...) plus a few of the old school methods by titration but was never introduced to the actual field of metallurgy. I have always found the subject quite interesting and have always wished to know more. Professional I went in the pharmaceutical seperations direction of study, but then chose to teach high school instead (I didnt care for the ethics of Pharma). @ Garboard I figured you knew plenty about metals after watching the turning bit that you made for turning the spindles on the cannon axles. Ive finally made it up to where I was in your log previously, its the bit where your sampling finishes, but still have pages to go to catch up. I guess I should write down where I stop, but then I miss viewing it all again. A a newcomer to the hobby, I really appreciate all the work that has been done by the older users in getting there logs back up. Some may see in as a peacock strutting their feathers, but to me it is the Master teaching the apprentice...and Masters have reason to strut. So many build logs so little time. Can someone tell me I'm not in need of mental assistance, I seem to always have multiple MSW tabs open. I'm OCD for MSW. Shine On -/\= Keith - themadchemist
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I've been doing some researching on old metallurgy and as a chemist I was surprised that wrought iron, due to its low content of carbon is less corrosion resistant. The carbon seems to spread the iron atoms in its crystalline structure and allow oxygen a better foothold. Its kinda interesting as we always think steel is stronger, but then strong is a very multi-faceted word. The key is the combination of Hard, flexible and (if in the ocean) corrosion resistant. I also wouldn't think case iron would be used much on anything that would be stressed as cast iron is quite brittle. Wrought iron is quite stronger then cast and has a small amount of carbon which gives it grain like wood. Its interesting when you look at the history of what Smiths were doing. They understood the metal even without knowing what caused the wanted effects (at least at the atomic level), although they understood the processes. In a way they knew more then we do today, but yet knew less. Paradox. Keith
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I know, but if it were I'd like to see the cannon ball that did it. is there a shot of the other side? It'd be interesting to see all the inner detail. Another question I was wondering. The gold scroll work on the Transom, would that have been gold leafed or did they have a gold paint/coating? Keith
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pardon my ignorance, but I'm assuming pintle and grudgeon were made out of wrought iron, which would have a black patina. I know that wrought iron is more resistant to oxidation (rust) then steel but how did this hardware hold up to salt water. I've read some on the iron nail/copper plating problems due to the metal variation causing an electric current potential between the metals causing an increased corrosion. So many interesting facts to learn. and for them, very important that they had to work out, because they needed the parts to work rather then look good. Keith
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Holy cannon blasts, someone blew the whole larboard side off that one. @ Garward I cant seem to get to the last page of your Montanes log Garward, Everytime I reopen it I forget where Im at and I get bogged down looking at your work, again and again. Cant seem to stop myself. One day I'll get caught up then post. Amazing Details. Keith
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On that note hope its ok if I have pistachios instead of popcorn, I promise not to throw the shells on the floor. tmc
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This debate brings up an inner conflict I seem to be having. Historically Accurate vs Modified to tastes It amazes me how the correct aging of a piece (or everything) can take the ship to that next level of POW! I sometimes look at the beautifully sanded Pear and question Oak was used and probably really not all that smooth. As a new to this hobby but very experienced researcher I really like the depth of knowledge this hobby provides. The best part is each builders chance to have their own way with the build. Popeyes 2 Lobster Twins has really made me think about this. I find it so sad that there never seems to be enough time for building and studying all the great info on MSW. Keith
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Hello Sjors Dropping outta lurk mood, here. YEA, a shot of the stern -- Thats not safe to show your back side like that - your liable to have the Stern blown to bits... not everyone is cannonballess (is that even a word). Nice work, I also vote leaving it brass. it matches the brass up front in the bow. I'm gonna have to learn to talk around here or everyone will out rank me Shine On -/\= Keith
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We have a pandigital which wont read mobi files. It has a Lynx OS IIRC. Tammy got it because of the back light for reading in the dark. I read paper or on the computer mostly, with computer becoming more common as my eyes go, as it gives me the ablity to increase the font. That way I can put off getting glasses. With the Lyme my vision changes from day to day and I think getting prescription lens would be a waste, so I use those cheapy $3 magnifier glasses. Being far sighted, those work about as well as Rx and it save money and another trip to Dr. Keith
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Hey Popeye, (or is that poeteye) We can always use comic relief especially with this hobbys tedium. Nice detail of a small scale ship, Although I kept waiting for the dance floor to emerge in the center deck. Keith
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