marktiedens Posted October 25, 2015 Share #1 Posted October 25, 2015 Hi all - this will be my attempt at building the Royal William from Euromodel. I say attempt because I consider my skills as just average. Upon opening the very heavy box I took a few pictures of the contents.All the bulkheads & the keel former are nicely laser cut. The keel former is good & straight but some of the bulkheads are warped a little. The contents include the usual fittings & a lot of cast metal pieces - most nicely done. There are 17 sheets of very nicely done 1:1 plans & a lot of strip wood which seems to be good quality. Mark ZyXuz, NMBROOK, dave teel and 7 others 10 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenPink Posted October 25, 2015 Share #2 Posted October 25, 2015 Hi Mark Welcome to the RW club. Have a look at Vince P log also Keith W log. You will get a lot of help from the logs. Denis dave teel, zoly99sask and marktiedens 3 Quote Complete: Sovereign of the Seas - Mantua 1:78 scale Current build: Euro Model "Royal William" Scale 1:72 HMS "Revenge" Victory Model (Amati) Scale 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted October 25, 2015 Share #3 Posted October 25, 2015 Great to see another RW log starting up. I agree, you really should study the other build logs. You will come across many problems with your build. I'll keep an eye on your log and see if I can help marktiedens and zoly99sask 2 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share #4 Posted October 25, 2015 Thanks guys. I have been following the other logs & am aware of some of the issues. I dry fitted the bulkheads to the keel former & found I had to make a few adjustments to the slots in the forward bulkheads like the rest of you. Also frame F is a little short at the top - will need to add a shim across the top. After making those adjustments everything lined up nicely. Mark Mirabell61, Kevin, medic and 4 others 7 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share #5 Posted October 26, 2015 I thought I would dry fit the false keel & stem before gluing the bulkheads & ran into a little problem. First the stem was broke in 2 places which was not a big issue - just glued it back together. The breaks were not in a spot that would be easily visible. Second - the false keel & stern post are 7mm thick but the stem piece is almost 8mm thick . After some work with the disc sander & a sanding block I got it down to the correct thickness. Mark avsjerome2003, canoe21, Mirabell61 and 3 others 6 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share #6 Posted October 27, 2015 Thanks Brian. Having already built one Euromodel kit I kind of know what to expect. Mark Mirabell61 and Brian the extraordinaire 2 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted October 27, 2015 Share #7 Posted October 27, 2015 I am sure someone else will probably chime in Mark.As you know I have the plans and did scratchbuild the stem,keel and a few frames before putting the build on hold until my domestic situation resolves itself.From memory(the parts are in my storage unit)the prow tapers in both directions,downwards and towards the figurehead.I believe the section at the top touching the hull should be 8mm thick,but this tapers working downwards and forwards.This explains why your kit parts didn't match up.From memory (again) this is shown on the bow view on the sheer plan. Kind Regards Nigel marktiedens, Mirabell61 and Brian the extraordinaire 3 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted October 27, 2015 Share #8 Posted October 27, 2015 A good start Mark, wish you furtheron much fun and success with this lovely model Nils marktiedens 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted October 27, 2015 Share #9 Posted October 27, 2015 I am sure someone else will probably chime in Mark.As you know I have the plans and did scratchbuild the stem,keel and a few frames before putting the build on hold until my domestic situation resolves itself.From memory(the parts are in my storage unit)the prow tapers in both directions,downwards and towards the figurehead.I believe the section at the top touching the hull should be 8mm thick,but this tapers working downwards and forwards.This explains why your kit parts didn't match up.From memory (again) this is shown on the bow view on the sheer plan. Kind Regards Nigel I agree, Nigel. In my build log, I remarked that Frame F was too low compared to Frame E. I shimmed mine, but later on in the build I realized that it was deliberately stepped to allow for the installation of the front railing decoration. It was no issue for me, since I ended up scratchbuilding my own. But if you plan to use the Euromodel supplied part, you may have an issue. marktiedens 1 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share #10 Posted October 27, 2015 Nigel - thanks for your observation. I guess I should have looked at the plans a little closer - my first mistake. I don`t think anyone would ever notice 1mm taper over the length of the stem anyway . Nils - thank you very much. Keith - thanks for the info. Mark Mirabell61 and NMBROOK 2 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted October 27, 2015 Share #11 Posted October 27, 2015 No,I certainly don't think it is going to make any difference in the greater scale of things Mark Kind Regards Nigel marktiedens 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted October 31, 2015 Share #12 Posted October 31, 2015 Mark, Hi -- I will follow along as well. Always loved this ship, but still think of it as still out of reach for my skills. I feel more comfortable in the 16th century ha ha. Good luck, you are off to a good start. Many excellent teachers at MSW for this ship !! You chose an excellent kit. Cheers, Michael fmodajr and marktiedens 2 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share #13 Posted November 1, 2015 Thanks Michael . There is a bit more scratch work on this build than I am used to,but I will try and do my best. Mark Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobZorba Posted November 1, 2015 Share #14 Posted November 1, 2015 Hi Mark, I will follow your build log with great interest, it is a possible future model for me also (but currently out of stock and I have much work remaining to do on the Vasa). The RW model looks really nice - because the upper gundeck is provided, their metal castings for decorative pieces are superb, and the quality of instructions and plans are high. I see that the castings are sold separately and cost more than 60% of the total price of the kit. Are they cast in gold? :-) Joking aside, I wish you much success and great fun with the build, matey! Best regards, Rob marktiedens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donrobinson Posted November 1, 2015 Share #15 Posted November 1, 2015 nice start, will be watching for more updates marktiedens 1 Quote Completed: MS-AVS, Amati Trabaccolo, Dusek ship's boat, AL-Mayflower, Batelina - MarisStella, MarisStella-Trabakul Liburnian Novilara - MarisStella, 17th Century Battle Station, Ragusian Galley-MarisStella Current: Barque Stefano - MarisStella, On Hold: Amati Pegasus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted November 1, 2015 Share #16 Posted November 1, 2015 Hi Mark, It is good to see another builder working on the RW. A word to the wise. Euromodel purposely adjusts the dimensions of some parts to allow for some later fitting, and they don't mention it. They expect the builder to figure it out. Like you noticing the false keel was smaller than the stem and stern post. That was actually done to allow for tapering later on and also as a rabit for butting the planks. If you find something off by a little, it is best to leave it alone until later on when you might find it was done intentionally to account for another issue later in the build. All of us working on her have found this out the hard way. Also, it you have not gone on to their website and downloaded Pete's notes, you should, because they will be invaluable as you progress. Vince P. marktiedens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share #17 Posted November 2, 2015 Hi Vince - I do have all of Pete`s info plus the Keith Julier book. If I would have looked at the plans a little closer I would have noticed the taper of the stem . I sometimes get in too much of a hurry. Mark Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share #18 Posted November 3, 2015 Hi all - proceeding along without any more bumps in the road so far. After dry fitting the bulkheads & decks I left the decks in place & glued the bulkheads - they all lined up nicely with the decks in place. Almost no adjustments were needed to the deck slots. I also left the decks in place when gluing the stringers in place. Extra supports were added between the bulkheads which made the framework very strong. Then I glued the lower gun deck in place along with the stern blocks - I hope they are in the correct place - it would have been nice if they would have given some kind of measurement as to their placement. I also added some bracing to the top of the stern frames as it would be very easy to break them at this point. Mark NMBROOK, Beef Wellington, canoe21 and 3 others 6 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted November 3, 2015 Share #19 Posted November 3, 2015 Glad I found this build before you got too into it, looking really nice so far. marktiedens 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobZorba Posted November 3, 2015 Share #20 Posted November 3, 2015 (edited) Hi all - proceeding along without any more bumps in the road so far. After dry fitting the bulkheads & decks I left the decks in place & glued the bulkheads - they all lined up nicely with the decks in place. Almost no adjustments were needed to the deck slots. I also left the decks in place when gluing the stringers in place. Extra supports were added between the bulkheads which made the framework very strong. Then I glued the lower gun deck in place along with the stern blocks - I hope they are in the correct place - it would have been nice if they would have given some kind of measurement as to their placement. I also added some bracing to the top of the stern frames as it would be very easy to break them at this point. Hi Mark, The way you assembled this seems very innovative to me. A question: how did you manage to glue the bulkheads to the keel with the decks in place? Individual bulkheads could not be removed with the decks in place. My guess: did you first fix all the bulkheads together by fitting the stringers and extra supports, then lift the bulkhead and deck sub-assembly away from the keel, apply glue to all the keel slots in one go, and then press the keel back into place? Also, I believe the Euromodels/ Como kit provides half cannon and false canon posts for the lower decks. Will you use those, or will you make complete cannon for the lower decks and replace the half cannon provided by EM? I am very impressed that EM provide all decks. Have you thought of providing some kind of "cut out" view in part of the hull, maybe only from one side of the model, so a part of all the internal decks can be seen, perhaps with some deck fittings / scratch built ladders / rigged canon etc for the visible area? For me, when I can afford the RW, I think I would use a 2mm perspex sheet as a "window" between two or three of the frames, and cut "gun ports" into it, as well as fixing part of the canon rigging and gunnery accessories to the side of the perspex. Perspex can be moulded quite easily by gentle heating and applying pressure where it needs to bend. If you haven't seen it already, there is another build in progress on another forum, build log here Edited November 3, 2015 by RobZorba marktiedens and NMBROOK 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #21 Posted November 4, 2015 Thanks Jason - welcome aboard. Rob - what I did was run some medium CA glue down the joints to hold the bulkheads in place. I plan to add some regular wood glue to the joints to make sure they stay in place. I do not plan to show any cut away for the interior - I will just use the false cannons for the lower decks. Unless I put lights inside it would be hard to see any interior detail & I am not adding lights. Mark NMBROOK 1 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share #22 Posted November 5, 2015 A little update - I got the stern & bow filler blocks shaped & bulkhead edges beveled in preparation for the first planking. Also added a support on the lower gun deck for the mizzen mast. I will fasten the keel & stem before planking - have always done it that way. I will plank from the main deck level down to the lower gun deck so I can locate the openings for the gun ports following the lead by Vince P on his RW build. I also tapered the stern keel former down to 5mm so the planking will go up against the keel properly. Mark canoe21, Keith_W, md1400cs and 4 others 7 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share #23 Posted November 16, 2015 A little update - before starting on the planking I thought it would be a good time to make the hole for the bowsprit. Planked down from the main deck to just below the lower gun deck. After triple checking the gun port positions vertically & horizontally I drilled pilot holes for marking & cutting the gun ports out, I am trying to decide whether to cut out the gun ports now or finish planking down to the keel & sand the hull first. I`m thinking it may be easier to plank the lower part of the hull first so I don`t snag the sandpaper on all the holes. Mark maggsl_01, canoe21, avsjerome2003 and 5 others 8 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share #24 Posted December 9, 2015 I haven`t posted for a while - been planking. The first planking from the main deck down to the keel is now done & sanded. No filler was needed . I was careful to add small shims & file a little as I planked. next will be cutting out the gunports & adding the mounting blocks for the cannon barrels. I will probably not be adding guns to the ports that are blocked by the bulkheads. Mark Seventynet, Beef Wellington, Dubz and 9 others 12 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenPink Posted December 9, 2015 Share #25 Posted December 9, 2015 Hi Mark Nice planking well done. Denis. edmay and marktiedens 2 Quote Complete: Sovereign of the Seas - Mantua 1:78 scale Current build: Euro Model "Royal William" Scale 1:72 HMS "Revenge" Victory Model (Amati) Scale 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donrobinson Posted December 9, 2015 Share #26 Posted December 9, 2015 beautiful job on the planking marktiedens 1 Quote Completed: MS-AVS, Amati Trabaccolo, Dusek ship's boat, AL-Mayflower, Batelina - MarisStella, MarisStella-Trabakul Liburnian Novilara - MarisStella, 17th Century Battle Station, Ragusian Galley-MarisStella Current: Barque Stefano - MarisStella, On Hold: Amati Pegasus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted December 9, 2015 Share #27 Posted December 9, 2015 That is beautifully neat, Mark. Yours will be the RW to beat, I am sure. marktiedens 1 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted December 9, 2015 Share #28 Posted December 9, 2015 Very nice start on your build. I'm quite surprised though at the contents of the kit. I figured with the price of this kit, the small bits and pieces would have at least come in a plastic container and to not lose any once the packages are open. That is one thing I like about Artesania Latina and OcCre, they supply nice reusable plastic storage cases with the bits and pieces already separated and stowed away. mike marktiedens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share #29 Posted December 9, 2015 Thank you all for your kind words - I would rather spend more time on the first planking than trying to fix it in the middle of second planking. Mike - I have a number of those plastic containers from previous builds. Due to the number & size of the castings if they put them in hard containers the box would probably need to be twice the size it already is. By the way - the castings are top notch except maybe the windows. Photo etch would have been nice for those. Mark Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobZorba Posted December 9, 2015 Share #30 Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Hi Mark, Masterful job of first planking! Looks really good. I notice the lower hull planks have one join ... what is the reason for the join? ... maybe it was easier to plank if you did the bow and stern separately? ... anyway, I wonder if you have any pics showing the planking of one side's lower hull in progress at 50% stage? What technique did you use for holding strips in place? ... did you use CA glue to tack the planks to the bulkheads, and PVA glue between planks to glue them together? Thanks, Rob Edited December 9, 2015 by RobZorba DenPink and marktiedens 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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