rafine Posted May 13, 2013 Author #91 Posted May 13, 2013 Many thanks, Russ, Pete and Mark. Planking on a cross section is really fun -- no spiling and no bending. Bob Rustyj and mtaylor 2 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Paddy Posted May 13, 2013 #92 Posted May 13, 2013 Can tell you're having fun now. Great work Bob. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section
Rustyj Posted May 14, 2013 #93 Posted May 14, 2013 Great job Bob. It sure is a lot more fun planking these! Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
Chuck Posted May 14, 2013 #94 Posted May 14, 2013 Wonderful job. That model is really shaping up. Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
rafine Posted May 14, 2013 Author #95 Posted May 14, 2013 Thanks so much, Paddy, Rusty and Chuck. Ill be taking a couple of weeks off, but I'm looking forward to doing the exterior planking when I return. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
rafine Posted May 28, 2013 Author #96 Posted May 28, 2013 I'm back from two weeks away and really eager to get back to the model. Prior to leaving, I had done the wales on both sides with ebony. Upon my return, I did one side of the lower planking, using holly. Caulking is simulated with pencil on one edge and the joint end of each plank. I did the planking in groups of four strakes and then trimmed the ends and did a first sanding after each group. I'm trying to decide whether to treenail this side now or to plank the other side and then treenail both sides. My real first choice would be to have the treenails magically appear without my having to do them. Bob mtaylor, lb0190, augie and 6 others 9 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Paddy Posted May 28, 2013 #97 Posted May 28, 2013 Good to see you back Bob. Looking good! 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section
russ Posted May 28, 2013 #98 Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) Bob: The planking looks great. I like the seams. They are just about right to my eye, not overdone. That is a great effect. As for treenailing, why not do a few strakes every few days, in between other work on the model? You will be done before you know it. Russ Edited May 28, 2013 by russ mtaylor 1 T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
Pete38 Posted May 29, 2013 #99 Posted May 29, 2013 Bob...Good to see you back Planking looks very nice...as russ said just enough on the seems without being to much and distracting from the build.. Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
rafine Posted May 29, 2013 Author #100 Posted May 29, 2013 Thanks, Paddy, Russ and Pete. Russ, I think that you've come up with a very good idea on the treenailing. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Boccherini Posted May 29, 2013 #101 Posted May 29, 2013 Bob, the planking is looking good. I'm no great fan of treenailing either, maybe the rigging fairies have some 2nd cousins that do treenailing. I normally just sit down & do it, the sooner it's finished the sooner I can move on to something more interesting. Regards, Grant.
Chuck Posted May 29, 2013 #102 Posted May 29, 2013 Very nice work. Coming along wonderfully!!! Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
rafine Posted May 30, 2013 Author #103 Posted May 30, 2013 Thanks very much, Grant and Chuck. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
rafine Posted June 1, 2013 Author #104 Posted June 1, 2013 Just a quick update. I've done the other side of the lower planking. Although I had intended to cover all of the framing, I changed my mind and left a small section exposed, probably just to remind me later that I actually had done the framing. I'm now starting the treenailing and will probably get through most of it while I wait for additional wood from Hobbymill. Bob mtaylor, Ron Burns, lb0190 and 2 others 5 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Boccherini Posted June 3, 2013 #105 Posted June 3, 2013 Nice to see some of the framing exposed, it's a shame to completely hide all the hard work that you've put into the model. Regards, Grant.
rafine Posted June 3, 2013 Author #106 Posted June 3, 2013 Thanks, Grant. If I had liked the look of the framing more, I would have left more of it exposed. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
rafine Posted June 5, 2013 Author #107 Posted June 5, 2013 I had intended to do the treenailing slowly and in small segments, but my obsessive-compulsive side took over and I finished the entire port side in one burst over a couple of days. Once I got into it, it was almost impossible to stop. First, I made a supply of treenails using bamboo skewers from the supermarket. (The first photo shows some treenail pieces and a couple of pieces of bamboo that have been split and ready to run through the drawplate). Then I laid out three double rows on the hull using tape to keep straight lines. Next, I drilled holes and inserted the treenail material after cutting a point on the end to ease insertion and dipping in glue. Lastly, I nipped off the pieces with a flush cutter. I then repeated the whole process twice more. Finally, I sanded the planking. By the way, the package of skewers that I bought for about $3 would probably last all of us combined for a long time. I'll be away for a few days, but then I expect to do the same thing to the starboard side. Bob harvey1847, aykutansin, AntonyUK and 7 others 10 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Pete38 Posted June 5, 2013 #108 Posted June 5, 2013 WOW!!!! Very nice,,,looking real good. What size did you draw the treenails down to? Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
russ Posted June 5, 2013 #109 Posted June 5, 2013 Bob: The treenails look great. Very nice work. When I do this, I generally, insert the treenail into the hole with some glue on it and then break it off and go to the next hole. However, I have also used end nippers and they seem to do a good job. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
rafine Posted June 5, 2013 Author #110 Posted June 5, 2013 Thanks so much, Pete and Russ. Pete, the treenails were drawn down to # 35 on the Byrnes drawplate. I used a drill just slightly larger to do the holes. Russ, I found it really quick and easy to do 10 to 15 at a time and then nip them all off. My previous efforts at treenailing on Syren and Fair American involved "fakes" using filler in drilled holes. I really don't think that using "real" treenails has been that much more difficult or time consuming. The big difference is making the treenails, but with practice it's going much quicker and easier. Bob mtaylor 1 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Boccherini Posted June 6, 2013 #111 Posted June 6, 2013 Bob, that's looking good. Nice to know OC is sometimes useful. I use a syringe to inject dilute glue into the hole, push the treenail in then cut it off with nippers. Any excess glue is wiped off with a damp cotton tip so as not to affect the finish coat. Regards, Grant.
Matrim Posted June 6, 2013 #112 Posted June 6, 2013 The treenails will help keep the model together if the glue starts failing years down the line. Good work Joss ...
rafine Posted June 6, 2013 Author #113 Posted June 6, 2013 Thanks, Grant and Joss. Grant, I think we all have a touch of OC in this hobby and that the hobby rewards that kind of behavior. Bob Rustyj 1 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
harvey1847 Posted June 16, 2013 #114 Posted June 16, 2013 Excellent Work Bob with the treenailing! How I wish to get to that point of the building with my Triton. Did you use again the Byrnes drawplate or it is another brand. Looks like I´ll have to spend 50 bucks on mine. (25$ for the draw plate plus 25$ for the shipping from USA to Spain!) Does anybody Know if I can get the Byrnes one here in Europe? UK? Germany? Spain? Best wishes Bob! Daniel. In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
rafine Posted June 16, 2013 Author #115 Posted June 16, 2013 Thanks, Daniel. I'm using the Byrnes draw plate. It's an excellent tool. I've been having computer problems, apparently the result of a storm, which have kept me from posting. Hopefully, they are resolved now. During this time, and while waiting for wood from Hobbymill, I completed tree nailing of the second side of the lower hull. I also applied a final finish with Wipe On Poly to the lower interior planking, in preparation for doing the lower deck framing. With the new wood having arrived, I've started on that framing. Bob fatih79, Mcdood, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Pete38 Posted June 16, 2013 #116 Posted June 16, 2013 Looking real nice.... Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
Paddy Posted June 16, 2013 #117 Posted June 16, 2013 Well done Bob! 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section
russ Posted June 16, 2013 #118 Posted June 16, 2013 Bob: The treenails look very good. It is a nice effect on the lower hull. Not too obvious. Nice work. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
rafine Posted June 16, 2013 Author #119 Posted June 16, 2013 Thanks, Pete and Paddy. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
st george Posted June 16, 2013 #120 Posted June 16, 2013 Nice modelling Bob. What brand of Wipe On Poly did you use? David Current Build : HMAV Bounty - Amati Next Build : 18th Century Longboat
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