CAd My Fingers Posted September 6, 2013 Share #301 Posted September 6, 2013 John, I'm fond of cutters and yours is a lovely build--really outstanding craftsman and research! As I was reading through your log, I saw that you mentioned the Stag wasn't clinker planked and that you could tell this by the plans (I think Goodwin mentions in his AOS Alert that most cutters after ~1800 weren't clinker planked). I looked at your plan photo but the resolution wasn't so great. So wanted to ask how can one tell--is it in the plan notes or one of the plan views or....? I'm dinking with a Sherbourne build and would like to nail this aspect of the build down--likely it was clinker planked but.... Thanks for letting tug your ear on this! Again, your build is a real beauty! Jay Quote Current Build: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share #302 Posted September 6, 2013 Jay, The plans are in at the museum at the moment, so I can't take a picture of them, but on the lines drawings there's a detailed cross section amidships that shows the planking. Very unusual to find that sort of detail on an admiralty plan, but there it is, and I'm grateful. John CAd My Fingers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAd My Fingers Posted September 6, 2013 Share #303 Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) John, Thanks so much for enlightening me and for your help--most appreciated! Wow, that's a fortunate and critical cutter detail for a modeler to have in the plans! I've been studying NMM cutter plans for a bit now so when I saw your post I was immediately curious. No such similar luck from what I've thus far seen in various plans that I've viewed (though have gleaned a wealth of other details). Looking forward to seeing your build continue to unfold! Jay Edited September 6, 2013 by JMaitri Quote Current Build: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share #304 Posted September 6, 2013 Jay, Stag was built in a private yard at Cowes on the Isle of Wight for the Revenue Service. She was the fastest cutter of her day and in 1839 the Royal Navy took her into Portsmouth Dock and drew up a set of plans for her - I'm guessing they wanted one the same because of her speed. It was just a happy accident that the cutter that they drew up such detailed plans for was the one I wanted to build. John CAd My Fingers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted September 6, 2013 Share #305 Posted September 6, 2013 Fastest cutter of her day?????? I keep thinking back to the post you made way back that had either a drawing or painting of her sail plan. I'm surprised that they could keep her IN the water given a fresh breeze. I thought that post was still here but I'm incorrect. Doesn't matter --- now we have the real model to visualize her beauty and power. Always a true delight. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share #306 Posted September 6, 2013 Augie, Keeping her in the water was probably pretty easy, but I still don't know how they kept he upright! I found a newspaper report that said that Stag had won the annual cutter race again. The tone of the report sounded a bit like - well, what else would you expect! For those who didn't see it in the original log, here's a re post of the painting of Stag under sail and chasing what looks to be a French lugger. John popeye the sailor and augie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted September 6, 2013 Share #307 Posted September 6, 2013 Thanks for re-posting that John. I think all will appreciate seeing it if they hadn't before. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAd My Fingers Posted September 6, 2013 Share #308 Posted September 6, 2013 John, thanks for the re-post; it's a wonderful image of the Stag. Yep, how these cutters stayed upright with the amounts of sail they carried.... Yet the basic design persisted for about 75+ years... In addition to their wide beams, I wonder if the weights of below deck stores was a contributing stability factor (definitely crew abilities)? Jay Quote Current Build: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share #309 Posted September 6, 2013 Jay, Pig iron billets in the bottom would definitely help! As the Revenue cutters were only supposed to come into port for stores or repairs, their crews would certainly get a lot of sailing practice. The square sails were rigged so that they could be brought down very quickly! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAd My Fingers Posted September 7, 2013 Share #310 Posted September 7, 2013 John, Yep that pig iron would add a bit of weight! Out of curiosity, I used Goodwin's info on the liquid stores he cites for the Alert to estimate a weight with all the barrels full (water) and it comes out to about 9,667 kilos (21,315 lbs)--couldn't resist the number crunching, I'm an accountant by trade. What you said about the crew and sail rigging makes sense...bet an experienced crew could get things right in a jiffy! Jay Quote Current Build: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted September 7, 2013 Share #311 Posted September 7, 2013 That's a fine picture of the stag, John. Looks just like yours. . Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 7, 2013 Author Share #312 Posted September 7, 2013 Slightly different colour, Bob! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share #313 Posted September 18, 2013 Well, I almost had the rigging done! All rigging was secured yesterday afternoon until I turned around quickly with a pair of tweezers in my hand, caught the port after brace and carried it away! The brace is now re-rigged but still to be trimmed and re-secured, so apart from a slightly cock-eyed yard (due to no tension on the port brace) and the unfinished brace, she's rigged. Next time in at the museum I hope to get her finished (visitor numbers allowing) as once the brace is re-done there's only cleaning up of Irish pennants, attaching rope coils and the anchors to do - the anchors and cables are made and simply awaiting attachment. Here are some photos of her as of yesterday. John janos, augie, Adrieke and 11 others 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share #314 Posted September 18, 2013 Thanks, Janos! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted September 19, 2013 Share #315 Posted September 19, 2013 Sorry about the mishap, John. But she's almost done and she's looking fine! Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAd My Fingers Posted September 19, 2013 Share #316 Posted September 19, 2013 Drats about the mishap, but looks like you made a great recovery--she's looking fantastic John! Jay Quote Current Build: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted September 19, 2013 Share #317 Posted September 19, 2013 She looks very nice, John. I need to make a point of stopping by here more often. Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted September 19, 2013 Share #318 Posted September 19, 2013 glad to hear that was all it did...............and to think, I was doing some rigging today with unbuttoned sleeves {this confirms that murphy left my house}. good that it was a quick fix........she's a sweet looking build John...you've done a superb job with this one Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted September 19, 2013 Share #319 Posted September 19, 2013 Nicely done, John. Been a pleasure to watch this one and I can't wait to see final bits all come together. Hmm... would it help if we sent someone to stand outside the museum and tell visitors "it's closed"???? Just trying to help. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wintergreen Posted September 19, 2013 Share #320 Posted September 19, 2013 John - armed and dangerous....happens to all of us I think....one moment of unawareness...but you're so handy with the rigging so it did not pose a problem, which we are glad to notice Lovely little ship, John! Quote Happy modelling! Håkan __________________________________________ Current build: Atlantica by Wintergreen Previous builds Kågen by Wintergreen Regina by Wintergreen Sea of Galilee boat, first century, sort of... Billing Boats Wasa Gallery: Kågen (Cog, kaeg) by Wintergreen - 1:30, Billing Boats Regina - 1:30, Billing Boats Dana, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 19, 2013 Author Share #321 Posted September 19, 2013 Gentlemen - thank you one and all for the support. It's hard to believe that she's finally almost ready for the display case (which still has to be made). John CAd My Fingers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted September 19, 2013 Share #322 Posted September 19, 2013 John, What a lovely model. It’s been well worth the wait. You made it look so easy that we get the feeling that anyone can work at 1:96 scale. Well done. Well done. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegfried Posted September 19, 2013 Share #323 Posted September 19, 2013 Congratulations John, One fine model! Lovely. Daniel Quote Cheers, Daniel In dockyard: HM Colonial Schooner for Port Jackson (scratch), HM Armed Vessel Bounty, HM Cutter Sherbourne Next builds: HMS Victor 1797 & Gannet 1814 Cruiser class sloops, ship and brig rigged (scratch) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted September 19, 2013 Share #324 Posted September 19, 2013 Add me to the queue John, she looks a grand little lady of the sea. Now IO suggest you park those tweezers somewhere they will do not further damage cheers Pat Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted September 19, 2013 Share #325 Posted September 19, 2013 What a lovely ship John, she has some great lines and is very tidy indeed. Sorry to read about the mishap mate, could have been much worse though, still it's scary and annoying when it happens. I reckon we'll hear the corks popping from here on your next visit. Be Proud mobbsie Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 19, 2013 Author Share #326 Posted September 19, 2013 Again, thank you gentlemen, one and all, for your support! I can hardly wait to get back to her to get the remaining details finished off. John popeye the sailor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaerschen Posted September 20, 2013 Share #327 Posted September 20, 2013 Very nice model John. Especially the rigging, I like it very much Quote Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share #328 Posted September 21, 2013 Thank you, Juergen. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted September 21, 2013 Share #329 Posted September 21, 2013 John the model looks superb, I am still trying to get my head around how small it is, because it looks so much lager in the photographs. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share #330 Posted September 21, 2013 Thanks, Michael. She's just a little smaller than your pilot cutter! John captainbob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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