augie Posted May 5, 2013 Share #181 Posted May 5, 2013 Just don't hang around to meet the 'dropper'. Back to training the spiders. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted May 5, 2013 Share #182 Posted May 5, 2013 Sorry Popeye, I see where you are coming from, but that was not the intent - you're a braver man than me if you wish to train snakes to do anything but scare away any unwanted visitors - most of them are far scarier than the spiders cheers Pat Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted May 6, 2013 Share #183 Posted May 6, 2013 no pat.....that's quite alright........no creatures in my wharf! LOL! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share #184 Posted May 15, 2013 Oops! First thing I did this morning when I got the Stag out at the museum was to start 'sweating up' the shrouds prior to finally securing them. Blow me down if the lower deadeye strap pin on number two starboard didn't carry away when I put a bit of pressure on it! I've no real idea what happened as it was fine last time I touched it, and when I went to try and drill the old pin out of the upper end of the chainplate there didn't seem to be a pin in there. Very strange!! Oh, well! A bit of fiddling with some copper wire for a strap and another piece for a pin and I was back in business. A little black paint and all was well again - just don't tell the foreman rigger or there'll be hell to pay! Once the shroud was back on and they were all tensioned correctly on both sides, I put in some time making a start on the ratlines. Hopefully I can finish them off next time I'm in. John Wintergreen, Piet, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 15, 2013 Share #185 Posted May 15, 2013 Nice save on the deadeye John. Lovely job on the shrouds too. Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted May 15, 2013 Share #186 Posted May 15, 2013 Nice save John Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted May 15, 2013 Share #187 Posted May 15, 2013 that's an expression I use AK-k-k-k-k-k! perhaps you forgot to put a pin in..........or maybe........gremlins ya hate'em right!!........well, I do myself!!! quick fix.........problem solved......no harm, no foul! looking great. I gotta get better at making chain plates....I like the way you did it. more rigging.............more!!! I love it! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted May 15, 2013 Share #188 Posted May 15, 2013 Nice fix John. And darned, those ratlines just look natural. Well done. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 15, 2013 Share #189 Posted May 15, 2013 great recovery John. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted May 15, 2013 Share #190 Posted May 15, 2013 Hi John, Good fix on the deadeye my friend, she's looking a real lady. mobbsie Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted May 15, 2013 Share #191 Posted May 15, 2013 Well done. She's looking good. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 15, 2013 Share #192 Posted May 15, 2013 Good fix, John. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted May 15, 2013 Share #193 Posted May 15, 2013 The shrouds and deadeyes look great. Good job on the repair. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share #194 Posted May 15, 2013 Thank you all for your encouragement! I have to say it wasn't a nice feeling to see that pair of deadeyes just dangling in the air! The situation wasn't helped by one of the security blokes wandering past while I was trying to fix it and having a look. "What's happening?" "The pin somehow came out of this deadeye strap." "Hmmm. Obviously a totally incompetent model maker." Grins and walks off while contemplate the penalties for 'securitycide'. John Wintergreen and Padeen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbuilder101 Posted May 16, 2013 Share #195 Posted May 16, 2013 Great job on the fix! She really is looking terrific! Quote Sherry Every goodbye is the birth of a memory... Current Build: San Felipe Finished Builds: Mayflower Build Log Gallery: Mayflower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share #196 Posted May 16, 2013 Thanks very much, Sherry! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted May 16, 2013 Share #197 Posted May 16, 2013 John, thank you for showing me that even a pro such as yourself can make a mistake, and recover from it. I am fighting with my own shroud lines atm, think they are winning at the moment! But you give me hope that persistence and patience will pay off. augie 1 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted May 16, 2013 Share #198 Posted May 16, 2013 I know the word shows up a lot. But when you top gun shipwrights provide inspiration to others, you've more than built a fine model. Shazmira and fnkershner 2 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsaplala Posted May 16, 2013 Share #199 Posted May 16, 2013 Hi John, Just catching up with your wonderful build, she's really coming along Sir, very nice fix on the pin, and rigging looks fabulous Quote Best regards,AldoCurrently Building: HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding) Past build:HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyCity Frankie Posted May 16, 2013 Share #200 Posted May 16, 2013 I have been enjoying your build log. I built a cutter too and I find them fascinating. So much sail on such a small hull. With all that canvas the small crew would have had a very difficult and dangerous time of it I think, more so than the larger crews of larger vessels. The margin for error when handling the lines would have been very narrow with the tremendous forces involved. The bowsprit has to be the most dangerous bowsprit on any vessel, so complex an arrangement, so many lines converging upon its tip, so much at stake if it breaks. I get the strong feeling that if any one line parted the whole rig would go by the board in an instant. As for the comfort of life aboard? Imagine off watch life below decks on one of these vessels, even on the nicest of days the interior must have been very uncomfortable. Quote Quote Niagara USS Constitution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share #201 Posted May 16, 2013 Robbyn - call it a draw with your shrouds at the moment. The trick is to make sure that your lower deadeyes are really well secured (which one of mine turned out not to be ) and to use a spacer to get the distance between the deadeyes even - a length of hard wire bent at bothe nds is sufficient for this. Augie and Aldo - thanks for the engouragement gents Frankie - I agree that cutters must have been beasts to sail - and very uncomfortable - but many of these seamen literally grew up at sea. When last in the U.K. I was talking with some people from the Norfolk Wherry Trust about the sailing of those craft. They are very different craft, I know, but they informed me that they were sailed by a man and a boy. The crunch was that a 'man' could be as young as 14 years old and a 'boy' as young as 6! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 17, 2013 Share #202 Posted May 17, 2013 John all your shenanigans with the shrouds is pulling at my soul. I am trying to get it right myself and it is tough. Kudos to you Sir for getting it done. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share #203 Posted May 17, 2013 Thanks, Michael - perhaps I should up the scale a bit to make it easier on the tiny pieces! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 17, 2013 Share #204 Posted May 17, 2013 John, What the others have said about inspiration. I just find it amazing the details that your putting in a 1:96... and then there's issues with strengthening. And you do it all in public. I don't think I'd have that kind of courage to let every man, woman, child and dog passing by to watch. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share #205 Posted May 17, 2013 Mark, It's a bit un-nerving being out in the open when you first start, but it's actually good fun - especially with the small kids who are interested and sometimes ask the most amazing questions! One of the main problems is in firstly choosing a model that can be built away from your main stash of odd tools and secondly in planning what you hope to achieve for the day and making sure that you have all the bits with you. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnkershner Posted May 17, 2013 Share #206 Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) The discussion about how hard these craft are to sail is supported by the recent incident on the Baltimore Clipper II. She lost her bow sprit in heavy weather off the coast of France. As a result she also lost most of each of the masts. Pretty close tolerances and when you have lost the forestay.. Oh my! Edited May 18, 2013 by Floyd Kershner Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share #207 Posted May 17, 2013 And to make it even more fun on the Revenue cutters, Floyd, they were only allowed into port for stores or repairs - other than that they were supposed to be at sea on patrol, no matter what the weather. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted May 24, 2013 Share #208 Posted May 24, 2013 John, You may have said on MSW 1, but I cannot find anything in the present thread as to the size of the stag. So what was the length on deck of the stag? At 1:96 it's fantastic. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share #209 Posted May 24, 2013 Bob, The plans are currently at the museum, but if I remember correctly, she was 66 feet between perpendiculars. More updates in a few days! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith Posted May 25, 2013 Share #210 Posted May 25, 2013 . The crunch was that a 'man' could be as young as 14 years old and a 'boy' as young as 6! John How times have changed! We can tend to cotton wool our kids a bit too much these days. But worse still - no personal responsibility - its always someone else's fault or society as a whole - or lack of 'entertainment" when kids (so called grown ups for that matter too) mess up. Imagine the responsibility of the above mentioned man of 14!! And anything he did or didn't do - he would of had to wear the consequences. Not many others to blame if your out to sea with a crew consisting of a 6 year old!!! I guess they just accepted it as their lot in life. I certainly don't advocate going back to hard times like that - but there must be a bit of a balance. This is still a wonderful build..... bit hard for me to imagine the scale of all the tiny blocks and stuff.... I am starting to think I might head UP scale.. maybe 1:48 - not tinier :) mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds: MS Syren HM Suppy Dos Amigos Completed: Schooner for Port Jackson MS 18th Century Longboat Bounty Launch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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