IgorSky Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share #121 Posted August 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, John Allen said: Exquisite! What is the sail material? Thank you, John! I used the thin cotton cloth - percale. John Allen, mtaylor and Omega1234 3 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted September 8, 2017 Share #122 Posted September 8, 2017 Amazing work as usual Igor, beautiful! Your sails are incredible. Could you explain how you got the seams on the sails? I studied your pictures, but couldn't figure out how you used the black cloth to make the seams. IgorSky and mtaylor 2 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share #123 Posted October 10, 2017 On 08.09.2017 at 4:32 AM, Landlubber Mike said: Amazing work as usual Igor, beautiful! Your sails are incredible. Could you explain how you got the seams on the sails? I studied your pictures, but couldn't figure out how you used the black cloth to make the seams. Hi Mike! Thank you for your feedback! Sorry for my late answer - I was on vacation. OK, I will show this process in more detail a little later. Best Regards! Igor. Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share #124 Posted October 10, 2017 Here is a small update for today. JesseLee, hexnut, Landlubber Mike and 7 others 10 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted October 10, 2017 Share #125 Posted October 10, 2017 Hey Igor I think you know what I'm going to say - "I see it...but...I don't believe it"!!!! What sort of magical trickery are you using here???? Cheers Patrick mtaylor, IgorSky, cog and 1 other 4 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted October 10, 2017 Share #126 Posted October 10, 2017 Those are hughe deadeyes, Igor. Can't imagine how you hold on to them. Very realistic ... again! mtaylor, CaptainSteve, Omega1234 and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share #127 Posted October 11, 2017 Hi to all! Many thanks Patrick, Carl and all who are interesting this project, for your feedbacks! Patrick, no, I am still refraining from using any magic. :All is explained very simply! I ordered laser cutting of some parts for my future projects and asked to cut out deadeyes too. Now I have deadeyes with a diameter of 1mm, 1.2mm and 2mm. flying_dutchman2, cog, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted October 11, 2017 Share #128 Posted October 11, 2017 Very nice Lilliput work Igor, did you buy the little laser cut parts just for the reason of having those mini deadeyes ? good idea ... Nils Omega1234, IgorSky and mtaylor 3 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share #129 Posted October 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Mirabell61 said: Very nice Lilliput work Igor, did you buy the little laser cut parts just for the reason of having those mini deadeyes ? good idea ... Nils Thank you, Nils! No, I have orderd the some detailes for my next projects and ask to add these deadeyes mtaylor, flying_dutchman2, Omega1234 and 2 others 5 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share #130 Posted October 11, 2017 On 08.09.2017 at 4:32 AM, Landlubber Mike said: Could you explain how you got the seams on the sails? I studied your pictures, but couldn't figure out how you used the black cloth to make the seams. Hi Mike! Please, look at these photos. The principle of this technique is shown here - yarn pulling. I'm ready to answer if you have any questions hexnut, grsjax, Landlubber Mike and 5 others 8 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsjax Posted October 11, 2017 Share #131 Posted October 11, 2017 Amazing work. I am just now finishing up my first ship in a bottle and seeing Igor's work makes me realize what a long way I have to go. Beautiful. Omega1234, mtaylor and IgorSky 3 Quote My advice and comments are always worth what you paid for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted October 11, 2017 Share #132 Posted October 11, 2017 Clever. I like the solution you found to get the dark threads in the sail Omega1234, mtaylor and IgorSky 3 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share #133 Posted October 12, 2017 13 hours ago, canoe21 said: Hello Igor Just catching up on your great build on the Jolie Brise. You seem to be just flying along these days with so very many new ideas and techniques. Just love all of that very fine detail that you are adding to your ships seemingly so easily. Your yarn pulling techniques is just one of those that amaze me.A little further back in your log, you were showing how you made the little rings for your sails. Could you please tell me how me just how you cut your wire to leaves the edges so nice and sharp? ENJOY. Regards Lawrence Hey Lawerence! Many thanks for your fedback! I do not think that I often manage to come up with some new tricks or technologies. Most likely, I already knew them once earlier and now just remember About rings... First I make a spiral of the diameter I need from a brass wire. I anneal this wire beforehand. Then I cut off the rings with the tip of the scalpel. It is better to do this on a hard surface. And the knife of the scalpel should be sharp. The smallest rings that I managed to make had an inner diameter of 0.3-0.4 mm mtaylor, JesseLee, John Allen and 5 others 8 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share #134 Posted October 12, 2017 13 hours ago, grsjax said: Amazing work. I am just now finishing up my first ship in a bottle and seeing Igor's work makes me realize what a long way I have to go. Beautiful. 11 hours ago, cog said: Clever. I like the solution you found to get the dark threads in the sail Many thanks grsjax and Carl! grsjax, I try to use simple tricks that do not require any special skills and abilities. My experience in this hobby is not too big either. So I'm sure you'll catch up with me quickly. Were you open the your build log? Best Regards! Igor. mtaylor, Omega1234 and cog 3 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsjax Posted October 12, 2017 Share #135 Posted October 12, 2017 HI Igor Thank you for the kind words. I didn't start a build log on my ship in a bottle build because I wasn't to sure how well I was going to do with it. I will post some pics in the completed models gallery when it is finished. Nothing nearly so well done as yours, just a simple sloop about 1:300 scale. Omega1234, mtaylor and IgorSky 3 Quote My advice and comments are always worth what you paid for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted October 13, 2017 Share #136 Posted October 13, 2017 Thanks very much Igor for posting your sail technique - the pulled thread method is a very clever way of doing it. Really appreciate you sharing your various methods, I've learned a lot! IgorSky, Omega1234, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share #137 Posted October 20, 2017 Hi everyone! And many thanks for your feedbacks and LIKEs! On 13.10.2017 at 12:55 AM, grsjax said: HI Igor Thank you for the kind words. I didn't start a build log on my ship in a bottle build because I wasn't to sure how well I was going to do with it. I will post some pics in the completed models gallery when it is finished. Nothing nearly so well done as yours, just a simple sloop about 1:300 scale. Hi grsjax! Yes, I understand your doubts, because every time I start a new project, I do not know what the result will be. But I'm sure that here in the forum you can always find support or advice if necessary. I will look forward to seeing the successful completion of your project. Good luck! On 13.10.2017 at 4:29 PM, Landlubber Mike said: Thanks very much Igor for posting your sail technique - the pulled thread method is a very clever way of doing it. Really appreciate you sharing your various methods, I've learned a lot! Hi Mike! I'll be happy if you find it useful! And you can see the little updates here: Best Regards! Igor. mtaylor, John Allen, hexnut and 5 others 8 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted October 20, 2017 Share #138 Posted October 20, 2017 Hi Igor Outstanding!!!! I especially love the lights and name plates. Speaking of which, how’d you do the lettering in the name plates? Cheers. Patrick cog, IgorSky, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share #139 Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Omega1234 said: Hi Igor Outstanding!!!! I especially love the lights and name plates. Speaking of which, how’d you do the lettering in the name plates? Cheers. Patrick Hi Patrick! Thank you for your support! I ordered decals for this model. But I'm a little mistaken with the color ... The height of the letters is about 0.6-0.7 mm, so the letters are not very high quality :(. Edited October 20, 2017 by IgorSky mtaylor, cog and Omega1234 3 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted October 20, 2017 Share #140 Posted October 20, 2017 "the letters are not very high quality" You could use a very thin Rotring pen to trace the outside or accentuate it with shadow dots ... Lovely lights mtaylor, IgorSky and Omega1234 3 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted October 20, 2017 Share #141 Posted October 20, 2017 This is amazing! Steve mtaylor, IgorSky, John Allen and 1 other 4 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share #142 Posted October 23, 2017 On 20.10.2017 at 12:59 PM, cog said: "the letters are not very high quality" You could use a very thin Rotring pen to trace the outside or accentuate it with shadow dots ... Lovely lights Thank you for advice, Carl! Yes, I sometimes use thin liners, but in this case the reason is different. On 20.10.2017 at 11:01 PM, Tigersteve said: This is amazing! Steve Nany thanks for feedback, Steve! cog 1 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share #143 Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) Small advance forward over the weekend. Attached the decal to the stern overhang. Edited October 23, 2017 by IgorSky JesseLee, Tigersteve, tadheus and 4 others 7 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share #144 Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) Then I proceeded to final assembly of the model on the slipway with the final installation of deck elements, fixing the rigging parts that should be fixed, drawing up the rigging wiring diagram and checking everything in general. Edited October 23, 2017 by IgorSky tadheus, Tigersteve, Omega1234 and 5 others 8 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share #145 Posted October 23, 2017 Mirabell61, Omega1234, cog and 6 others 9 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted October 23, 2017 Share #146 Posted October 23, 2017 sweet little model Igor ! lovely details... Nils Omega1234, cog, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share #147 Posted October 23, 2017 Thank you, Nils! Mirabell61, mtaylor and Omega1234 3 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted October 23, 2017 Share #148 Posted October 23, 2017 That last picture with the name is quite good though. The black stern sets it off beautiful. You are on roll Igor. Looking really wonderful IgorSky, mtaylor and Omega1234 3 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorSky Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share #149 Posted October 23, 2017 Many thanks Carl! I'm starting to worry about HOW I'm going to assemble this model in a bottle... cog, Omega1234 and mtaylor 3 Quote My models in PROGRESS: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , My COMPLETED models: Holland yacht-boeier by IgorSky - Scale 1/150 - BOTTLE , Three-mast schooner ATLANTIC - BOTTLE - 1/600 Scale, Captain Jack Sparrow arrives in Port Royal - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72, Boat with pirates - 1/72 scale - BOTTLE, Pilot cutter Jolie Brise - BOTTLE - Scale 1/240, Yacht J-class - BOTTLE - Scale 1/300 , Mini SIB - Yacht Jolie Brise and Lighthouse Fastnet Rock – BOTTLE – Scale 1/3000 , Schooner AMERICA - BOTTLE - scale ̴ 1/800 , Mini SIB - J-class Yacht - BOTTLE - scale 1/1000 , The Old Man and The Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/72 , Steam schooner LENA - BOTTLE - scale 1/290 , Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000 , Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea - BOTTLE - Scale 1/200 , Lifeboat RS1 Colin Archer - BOTTLE - scale 1/230 , Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale , Two-mast yacht - BOTTLE - 1/1000 Scale My GALLERIES: Noname yacht-in-bottle, Two-mast yacht in bottle 1/1000 Scale, Yacht Spray of Captain Joshua Slocum - BOTTLE - 1/350 Scale, Mini SIB 001 - BOTTLE, Mini SIB 002 Catalan Ship - BOTTLE, Mini SiB 003 Typical boat of Mediterranean Sea 1/200 - BOTTLE, Koch - Russian polar ship - BOTTLE - 1/1000, Mini SIB 004 - 3 mast schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted October 23, 2017 Share #150 Posted October 23, 2017 I don't think so. I think you are trying to see how you can best get it in it's bottle Omega1234 and IgorSky 2 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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