flying_dutchman2 Posted April 9, 2020 Author Share #181 Posted April 9, 2020 Taffrail onstled and excess planking removed. Taffrail from the inside. Rudder dry fitted with tape. Dry fit rudder and tiller. Marcus Kikatinalong, FriedClams, G.L. and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted April 9, 2020 Share #182 Posted April 9, 2020 Seems to me that the operation was a success. Maybe you should try to get the opening a bit rounder, so that it can be finished with carvings. Not really complicated. Well done, Marcus. Ondras71 and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 9, 2020 Author Share #183 Posted April 9, 2020 Thanks for the help, Ab. Will make the opening a bit rounder and have started on the carvings. It is the one exercise I am not very good at. So I make many of the same items and pick the best. I have 9 samples of the fish. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 10, 2020 Author Share #184 Posted April 10, 2020 The following question has probably been asked numerous times. If my ship is in X scale what is the max legth and width of my hull and deck planks? I have looked in numerous books i possess, went to several ship model sites and read several articles. There is not a clear cut answer or math formula available. In "Planking techniques for model ship builders" by "Donald Dressel" on pages 70 to 81 there is a discussion about some basic information. Example. On an 1/8th inch scale model planks should not exceed 3 inches. On a 1/4 inch scale model the planks are 6 inches in length. Also in general planks were between 4.6 mtr to 6.1 mtr (15' to 20') in real life. So if my model is in a scale of 1 cm - 37.5 cm, what will the length of my planks be for the model? Thank you in advance. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 11, 2020 Share #185 Posted April 11, 2020 Full size would be anywhere between 30 and 40 feet if I recall correctly. It depended on the wood available and that was for French and English ships of the 1700's. So probably about the same for yours. Ab would be your expert on this. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted April 11, 2020 Share #186 Posted April 11, 2020 Excellent question Marcus, In Witsen's book there is list of parts needed to build a 120 feet long fluit. He specifies the planking needed as 4 1/2 for every strake for this length. That means that every plank is about 27 feet, which is roughly 7,50 m. I don't see any reason why that should be different for deck planks. Don't forget that the butts of the planks overlap each other for the width of three frames, which is more than a meter. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted April 11, 2020 Share #187 Posted April 11, 2020 Here is a picture of the butts. It is from a 90 feet long wreck (E81) from 1660. mtaylor and Devin Camary 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu57 Posted April 11, 2020 Share #188 Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) Marcus, very nice work sofar, but if you are going to make this buts in every plank, then i think you know what to do in your spare time.😇🙂 Kind regards Peter. ps. forgive me if i made any spelling or grammatical errors, i am better in Dutch Edited April 11, 2020 by Pingu57 mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share #189 Posted April 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, Pingu57 said: Marcus, very nice work sofar, but if you are going to make this buts in every plank, then i think you know what to do in your spare time.😇🙂 Kind regards Peter. ps. forgive me if i made any spelling or grammatical errors, i am better in Dutch Peter, Your English is fine not to worry. I am doing the butts on every plank. I practiced making these butts while building the Utrecht and the Boyer. Marcus Pingu57 and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share #190 Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) Ab, I will look in Witsen's book and thank you for the suggested numbers. I am a bit embarrassed by the next question (and I should not be), What is the length of my planks in centimeters or inches for my model if the scale is 1:37.5? Do I divide 37.5 into something? Thanks Marcus Mark, Thank you as well for the measurements. Marcus Edited April 11, 2020 by flying_dutchman2 . mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted April 12, 2020 Share #191 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) If your planks are going to be 7,5 meters in a scale of 1/37,5 you have to divide 750 cm by 37,5, which is 20 cm. The butts should be a littler bit over 2,5 cm long. It's elementary, my dear Watson...:-) By the way, the list of ship's parts I was referring to is only in the Dutch version of my book (page 296), not in the English one. Edited April 12, 2020 by Ab Hoving Ondras71 and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Pierre Posted April 12, 2020 Share #192 Posted April 12, 2020 By the way, I think a flute was by no means a prestigious ship. Her building would most certainly be done with restricted budgets. So they would most probably try and use as much as possible of the available trees. Therefore they would accept the decks to be made of planks of various widths, and this can be seen on many contemporary replicas (Batavia, for instance). Now for obvious reasons, it is easier for a model wood supplier or model maker to offer all planks at standard widths (often too large!). It is also easier for the model builder to have all planks at the same width. The length of planks, I suppose, would be defined by the necessity to have all butts fixed into bulkheads rather than have a standardized length. While 7,50 m certainly makes sense, I think that shorter planks would not have been discarded, and longer ones when possible would not be cut shorter. Any opinion? One last point about planking. I noticed on various ships (ex. Hermione), paintings (carrack by Botticelli, if I remember well) that planks often were not a set of parallels running fore and aft, but that they were set to follow the ship's side where possible. I confess that this is what I did on my 'fluitschip'. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share #193 Posted April 12, 2020 Ab, Been reading about Dutch measurements on Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_units_of_measurement#Voet and have two questions. In post #186 you said and I quote "He specifies the planking needed as 4 1/2 for every strake for this length. That means that every plank is about 27 feet, which is roughly 7,50 m." 1. 4 1/2 what? 2. What formula did you use to get 7,50 meter from 27 feet? Thank you Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted April 12, 2020 Share #194 Posted April 12, 2020 Not really complicated. The ship is 120 feet. Over that distance 4 1/2 planks are needed to go from fore to aft (of course you get away with shorter planks because you don't have to cover the entire 120 feet, but that is all marginal). So 120 divided bij 4 1/2 is 26, 6 feet, which equals 7,75 meters. Of course these are not specific measurements, just estimations with a wide margin. Clear? mtaylor and Ondras71 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted April 12, 2020 Share #195 Posted April 12, 2020 Somewhere I read that one of the Dutch Shipyards’ competitive advantages was the early availability of wind powered sawmills to produce sawn planks vs sawing them by hand over a saw pit. Their lumber was also imported from the Rhine and the Baltic. I would, therefore, not think that these vessels were built from inferior lumber. Roger mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share #196 Posted April 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Ab Hoving said: Clear? Yes, Clear. Thank you for all of that. 😁 Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share #197 Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Roger Pellett said: Somewhere I read that one of the Dutch Shipyards’ competitive advantages was the early availability of wind powered sawmills to produce sawn planks vs sawing them by hand over a saw pit. Their lumber was also imported from the Rhine and the Baltic. I would, therefore, not think that these vessels were built from inferior lumber. Roger Roger, Wind powered sawmills was a Dutch invention and you are correct about the wood. The Dutch had special fluits called "Houthaalders" which means wood haulers and they went to the Baltic to get wood. The taffrail could be opened and wood would be slipped in. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share #198 Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) Observation. My Zeehaen needs 4 - 20 cm planks to cover one strake from stem to stern. If you plank with straight butts, top ruler, then 4 planks of 20cm long would cover 1 strake. If you plank with with Dutch version of butts, bottom ruler, then 4 planks will not cover 1 strake. You need more. That would be 4 - 1/2 planks. If a plank is 20 cm long and your Dutch butts are 2.5 cm each end, the full width of the plank is less then 20 cm long Now if the plank is 20 cm long and the 2 butts are 2.5 cm long then 2 x 2.5 + 20 = 25 cm long plank. This is wrong. Below I made various templates to form the butts. Top right a rectangular piece of brass of 2.5 cm long and two 90 degree edges on each end. Will need to sharpen one long edge so it is easier to cut the wood. Top left razor blade cut from 4 cm to 2.5 cm. On the hull I would overlap 2 pieces and make the cut so the butts would fit well. Bottom ruler just shows how the butts fit. Non of my models have all the same looking butts. I tried several kinds. On the fluit I will do all Dutch versions of butts Is there another word for the butts? Marcus Edited April 13, 2020 by flying_dutchman2 Spelling mtaylor, cog, G.L. and 1 other 4 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share #199 Posted April 16, 2020 Working on the bow area. Building it up and figuring out how to anchor the bowsprite in that area. For me, this ship is difficult to built. It is the ultimate challenge for me and I will finish her. As I said before maybe I should have built something easier before doing the fluit. Anyway, the steps I follow in my head from keel to flags is at times a bit overwhelming. Like the Dutch shipwright who didn't write anything down while building a ship, it was all in his head. I am doing something similar, I am not taking any notes like some modelers do. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share #200 Posted April 17, 2020 Worked on the bow most of the day. Figuring and creating a bowsprite holder. Strengthening the deck. Glued deck in place. Used card to make a template of where the bowsprite goes. With a hand drill, drilled a hole through the bowsprite, deck and part of the wood. The drill bit kept it all in place while i could draw the lines for the holder. The area where the bowsprite goes into the ship, is there a name for that area? Bowsprite holder. Dry fit planking and bowsprite. Once i have planked that area and made a hole in it, I can slide the bowsprite with some glue into the holder. Marcus Louie da fly, mtaylor, YankeeD and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted April 19, 2020 Share #201 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) Hi Marcus Wow! I’ve just caught up with your Build Log and I’m not disappointed. That’s one really heck of a job you’re doing. A brave re-do of the framing, has paid off handsomely. She definitely has a very shapely and curvy hull, that’s for sure. All the best and stay safe and healthy. Cheers Patrick Edited April 19, 2020 by Omega1234 mtaylor 1 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share #202 Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) Thank you for all the likes and Patrick, thank you for the compliment. Finishing up on the location of where the bowsprite goes into its holder and the little deck located at the tip of the stem. Started working on the bowsprite panel. Cut a piece of veneer by 0.5mm wider than the actual location of the panel so it is both a tight fit and slightly bowed or curved. Started paneling the veneer with 5mm wide cherry strips. I still need to raise the wall from hull by 4mm. So then it is even with the other side. Bowsprite panel can be removed for easy adding 2 catheads squares, 1 gunprt and 3 steps. Once the glue dried the paneling was marked for the catheads and gunport. Tomorrow the 2 catheads squares will be removed. Marcus Edited April 23, 2020 by flying_dutchman2 Sp mtaylor, G.L., Omega1234 and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share #203 Posted April 23, 2020 Thank you for all the likes. Preparing the second layer of cherry planking. Most of the planks will be 20 cm long with a Dutch scarph joint on each side. There will also be smaller lengths. Put the planks in some water as they will cut better without splitting. Once the scarphs are cut the planks will be dried. Top plank is to show what the scarphs look like when cut. Middle plank is to show when the scarphs are together. Bottom plank being cut to make a scarph. Close up from a scarph being created. I will be creating joints on about 80 planks. Not all joints will be created now, some will be made when I plank the ship. Marcus G.L., GrandpaPhil, Omega1234 and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted April 24, 2020 Share #204 Posted April 24, 2020 Great idea, thanks cog, mtaylor and GrandpaPhil 3 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch To do : Prins Willem Corel, Le Tonnant Corel, Yacht d'Oro Corel, Thermopylae Sergal Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted April 24, 2020 Share #205 Posted April 24, 2020 Very smart idea, but I have some doubts. In real life not a single plank in a ship is straight. How will you follow the lines with straight planks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share #206 Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Ab Hoving said: Very smart idea, but I have some doubts. In real life not a single plank in a ship is straight. How will you follow the lines with straight planks? When the time comes to plank the second layer, the planks will be soaked again for easier bending and following the lines. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Pierre Posted April 24, 2020 Share #207 Posted April 24, 2020 Marcus, you are a honest modeller but you should learn to cheat a little: in my opinion it is much easier to use full length planks whenever possible, and afterwards, to indent the joints. Planks will no doubt need some lateral bending on your ship: difficult to get a fluid bend with shot planks with butt joints. Also if you wet the planks, consider that they may shrink when drying, thus opening some joints. On my model, I cut all 4 (or 5?) mm wide planks in 2 lengthwise, which gave a still acceptable plank width, and I used an Amati plank bender to give the dry planks their intricate shape. Adding the joints is then a very simple task: the planks will of course fit perfectly. Happy modelling Jean-Pierre mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeD Posted April 24, 2020 Share #208 Posted April 24, 2020 Marcus, when doing the planking and scarphs on my ship I found that each scarph-joint was different due to the bending etc of the planks. Maybe that is also something that Ab means by his comments? I also had a mould but needed to sand each scarph afterwards for a nice, flush fitting. Baker, Ondras71 and mtaylor 3 Quote Current build 7 Provinciën (Englisch thread): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13719-the-7-provinci%C3%ABn-by-yankeed-scale-150-1665-according-to-drawings-by-mr-o-blom-first-wooden-scratch-ship-build/ For Dutch readers (Dutch thread): http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/threads/nederlands-historisch-zeilschip-het-schip-van-de-ruyter-de-7-provinci%C3%ABn.216834/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share #209 Posted April 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Jean-Pierre said: Marcus, you are a honest modeller but you should learn to cheat a little: in my opinion it is much easier to use full length planks whenever possible, and afterwards, to indent the joints. Jean-Pierre Jean-Pierre, I used full length planks on my Boyer and indented them at certain lengths. This time I want to try to use 20cm lengths and fit the scaphs as I go along. 2 hours ago, YankeeD said: Marcus, when doing the planking and scarphs on my ship I found that each scarph-joint was different due to the bending etc of the planks. Maybe that is also something that Ab means by his comments? I also had a mould but needed to sand each scarph afterwards for a nice, flush fitting. Hans, I expect the scarph joints to be different while following the curvature of the ship. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted April 25, 2020 Share #210 Posted April 25, 2020 For the time being you get the benefit of the doubt. If this really works it would be a fantastic system. But how to deal with ending planks in the bow and extra planks in the stern? Like here: You really got my attention, Marcus. Ondras71, cog, GrandpaPhil and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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