San Ildefonso by Sjors - FINISHED - OcCre - 1:70

[realworkingsailor]

Gee..... That serving machine looks awful familiar......

[Shazmira]

Sjors, for mine the shroud lines were only served where they go around the masts. I take it that was done to protect the ropes from rubbing on the masts and fraying.....I have seen other models where the outer shroud lines are served from top to bottom. I don't know what is accurate, or if it is different for each ship.

[src]

Popeyes right, where are the Bits -O-Wood and string and such? Are you slacking off on us?

 

Its good to have friend like Mobbsie. Is that a Proxxon shaper I see in the back ground? You likey?

Sam

[Sjors]

Thanks Robbyn and Sam,

 

@ Robbyn,

 

I know that the shrouds were only served around the mast.

But my question was , how long do they have to be served down.

I want to do it till the futtock stave.

Then your next thing.

The outer shrouds has to be served till the deadeye because of the sails who are touching it.

To prevent damage to the shrouds when the sails touch the shrouds.

This is not something I know but I read that at another forum.

 

@ Sam,

 

The table that you see is only for the tools, not the workbench where my model is.

I have another table for that.

And you mean the cross table for the standard of the drilling machine ?

Or do you mean the milling machine.

I like them both !

If you want, I can take a closer picture for you.

 

Edited November 30, 2013 by Sjors

[Micklen32]

Hi Sjors

Can't help with the shrouds as I haven't got a clue what you are talking about   

Also you are mentioning knees which never goes down well with me   

What about the serving machine then

Are you just going to do special bits on it ???

Or are you going to do a lot of rope on it ?????

[texxn5]

I like the serving machine.  I have to study and figure out how it works.  Looks nice, good to see you moving on.

[realworkingsailor]

From what I've read, the shrouds are served down to the level of the hounds (basically the level of the futtock staves). Also the leading shroud should be served its full length to prevent chaffing from the sails.

 

Andy

[Sjors]

@ Mick,

 

I shall try to explain it to you.....(o dear, what have i done.......)

The shroud is the rope that comes from the top or top gallant ( All the way up on the mast ) that goes to the deadeyes. ( easy one)

With my other builds I'm using just the "naked" ropes.

When you are serving the ropes it means that you turn a thinner rope around the thick rope.

Then it gets more "body"

It looks like that part of the rope is stronger because of the force of the wind on it when the sails are open.

To make that served rope I'm using a serving machine.

You only take the length of rope that you need ( a little bit more )

When you take a look at Gil Middleton his build log of the Victory, he explain how it works much better then I do.

If you have any questions or you want pictures of the part of the machine, just ask !

But not sooner then monday I can take pictures because I have to work tomorrow 

Andy has also a great example of the serving machine on his build log of the Pegasus.

Mobbsie has make me that machine as example from his (thank you for that Andy)

 

If someone wants to correct me, please do !!!!!!!!!

 

@ Thanks John,

 

The serving machine works just fine !

I can recommended !!!!!!!

 

@ Andy,

 

Thank you so much.

Your answer was the answer what I was looking for ! 

So it where not knees but hounds.

Then I have served the first rope at the right measurement   

Also your last line of text.

Leading shroud to prevent chaffing from the sails.......

Difficult when English is not your native language .....

 

 

[src]

Sjors,

This tool. It looks like a shaper/router table to me.

 

 

Sam

[realworkingsailor]

Sjors, to chafe means to cause damage by rubbing against something.

 

Andy

[Sjors]

Sam,

 

It a milling machine ( if that's the right word)

It's correct, I have let it translate by Google.

 

@ Andy,

 

Thank you     

 

[WackoWolf]

It's a planer/router not a milling machine. This is a milling machine.

[texxn5]

I had a Sherline Mill, and a lathe and most all of the tools.....ex wife sold them during my divorce and while I was in ICU in the hospital......gonna replace some day....

[src]

Sjors, Thanks.

Wacko is correct in english its called a shaper. I see where confusion can come in with translation. In a wood shop we will frequently run material through a planer, joiner or shaper and call it milling. Its all good. 

To me Klomping is a slang to describe a "stomping" kind of walk, but from you I learn Klompen is something somewhat different. No wonder there are still wars. 

Looking forward to more pictures.

Sam

[WackoWolf]

Like a kid at Christmas time, just couldn't wait to open the boxes. Good luck with the new build. Keep the pictures coming.

[Micklen32]

Ok Sjors, I think I am mostly with you

So are you just serving the parts of the rope that are used to make loops and such, or actual lengths of bare rope

I am trying to understand where it would be necessary and can only think of loops

Photos would be useful and Monday is fine

I am not bothered by this 'work' thing luckily

 

Sent from my iPad

Laying back watching the golf after a bit of exercising

[Sjors]

@ Mick,

 

I have make two picture where you can see how the serving machine works.

I hope that this is clear for you.

 

[Sjors]

The first shrouds are on it.

Also the deadeyes and the lanyards.

The first two pictures shows you the served rope.

It goes to where the futtock staves are coming.

I think that it is right but when I'm wrong, please say so.

 

[popeye the sailor]

back on the shrouds........aye Sjors.........your going to have two ships done,  before I even get one....nice work!

[trippwj]

Beautiful work, Sjors - can I send you my Harriet Lane to finish for me?

[mobbsie]

Nice one mate, glad it works for you.   :)          

 

mobbsie

[Sjors]

Thanks Popeye, Wayne and Mobbsie,

 

@ Popeye,

 

If I where you I should keep on building 

And this one finished take some time.....

 

@ Wayne,

 

I have enough on 2 builds 

Beside, you are running then out of business 

 

@ Mobbsie,

 

Thanks to you !

 

[texxn5]

Thanks for the pictures Sjors, looks like Mobbsie did a good job on the machine.  I'm going to try to make one when I get to that stage.

[Adrieke]

sorry Sjors but that box behind the serving machine is too distracting

[Micklen32]

Yes Sjors

I see now

It is as I expected, where the rope loops around things

It looks really good and has inspired me to try and do that without a machine

Very nice Sjors

Thanks

[mtaylor]

Nice work on the shrouds.   Most excellent!!!

[Beef Wellington]

Love the BIG pictures Sjors, looks great.  Looks like you are definitely getting your practice in serving!

[Script]

Sjors,

 

Terrific work! Was the Aggy box there by accident?

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

[popeye the sailor]

the box has made it that far Sjors..........you might as well............

[src]

Very nice Sjors!

I dont see any gears on your serving machine, I seem to be missing something, how does your work? Most of the pictures and plans I have seen there are gears and such.

Hhhhmmmm a serving machine, does that mean Anja doesnt have to cook or clean anymore?

Sam