Jay 1 Posted June 21, 2013 Share #211 Posted June 21, 2013 Russ, those lips look like a difficult call but you'll make the right choice that works for you! Jay Quote Current Build: Ariel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share #212 Posted June 21, 2013 Jay: Thanks. I will get back to it in a bit. Chores first. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share #213 Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) I made some progress tonight as I begin to shape and fit the rails. I am going to try and get each side's rail on in one piece. It is not my first choice and it may not work in any event. It is certainly more difficult getting it all shaped in one piece, but I am worried that the stanchions may not give me enough support for proper scarph joints. Questions and comments welcomed. Russ Edited April 17, 2018 by russ Mirabell61, SkerryAmp and riverboat 3 Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted June 24, 2013 Share #214 Posted June 24, 2013 That's a neat looking rail Russ, presumably you had to cut it out of sheet material and fine sand to finished proportions. Could you not fake the scarph joints by scribing. B.E. augie 1 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted June 24, 2013 Share #215 Posted June 24, 2013 That's a long run for a single piece but it looks like you've nailed it. Just need one more . BE made a good suggestion. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted June 24, 2013 Share #216 Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) Russ the single piece looks like you nailed the shape well, with regards to the grain which I can see would it be possible to give it a coarse sanding to simulate the grain along the portion near the bow and then a finer sanding to smooth it just enough to leave some of the (grain) scratches in and as B.E. suggested fake in some scarph joints. Just a thought. Michael Edited June 24, 2013 by michael mott Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share #217 Posted June 24, 2013 B.E.: I can and would scribe the scarph joints. That goes without saying. However, the question is will I make the rail up out of separate pieces to have the grain running on the proper direction. I think that when I have the shape I want out of this single piece, I will use it as a template to cut new sections with the grain running in the right direction for each piece. I can nail one end of a scarph into one stanchion and the other end of the scarph into the next stanchion. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share #218 Posted June 24, 2013 Augie: Thanks. I am pleased with the fact that the rail has the proper proportions and overhang. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share #219 Posted June 24, 2013 Michael: I am not happy with the grain running in the wrong direction at the bow. It is just not right to leave that. Now, that I have a properly shaped piece, I can use it as a template to make the rail properly. That will happen later this week. First, papers to grade. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhermann Posted June 24, 2013 Share #220 Posted June 24, 2013 Interesting discussion to follow along with. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, folks. My question, if the one piece rail is flipped over, is it a good fit on the port side? If so, could you use it as a template to make both sets of rails? Bob Quote Current build -- MS Bluenose Future build - MS Flying Fish "A ship is safe in harbor, but that's not what ships are for." - William G. T. Shedd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share #221 Posted June 24, 2013 Bob: It would probably work okay, but I made poster board templates for both sides to avoid any problems. So, the port side has its own and I will deal with that after the starboard side is complete. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted June 25, 2013 Share #222 Posted June 25, 2013 Russ, just caught up with your build, as always, great work. Looking forward to seeing your rails. I dont know about you but there is something about looking at a well done scarf joint that makes me say "oh yeah!" Sam Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share #223 Posted June 25, 2013 Sam: Yes, a nicely made scarph joint is a thing of beauty. I will try and not muck it up too badly. This is one of those areas where I go back to Underhill writing that this is not really difficult work, but it takes some time and one must be willing to chunk it if it is not right. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 1 Posted June 25, 2013 Share #224 Posted June 25, 2013 Russ, I'm enjoying seeing your work and reading your thought process as you move forward with the build. Love what you paraphrased from Underhill...I'm learning that it's spot on for this hobby! BTW, did you keep or chuck the hawse lips? Will look forward to seeing the scarph work you do when you install the final rail. Oi, are you in the trenches for the summer session? Quote Current Build: Ariel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share #225 Posted June 25, 2013 Thanks for your kind words. I have not yet decided about the hawse lips. That will be dealt with before the rail is installed. I am teaching this summer. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin W Posted July 2, 2013 Share #226 Posted July 2, 2013 Hi Russ -- I just thought I'd look in, and once I started I couldn't stop. This is a very attractive build, with pretty lines and quite nice details. Not only are you a consummate researcher, but a craftsman as well. Best, Martin Quote Current Build: HMS FLY 1776 Previous Builds: Rattlesnake 1781 Prince de Neufchatel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share #227 Posted July 2, 2013 Martin: Thanks for the kind words. I enjoying mixing research and modeling. Russ Jay 1 1 Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share #228 Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Speaking of research and modeling, here is an interesting question, the answer to which I found through research. How should the fore and aft ends of the deck house be oriented? I had always thought they would be perpendicular to the keel, just as was the framing of this model. However, a contemporary photograph clearly shows that the ends of the deck house are more or less perpendicular to the deck, meaning it will more or less follow the sheer line. Note how the ends of the deck house and window trim are nearly at right angles to the rail. Question answered. Russ Edited July 4, 2013 by russ mtaylor, hopeful, tarbrush and 1 other 4 Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted July 4, 2013 Share #229 Posted July 4, 2013 I'll buy that orientation. Nice photo. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 1 Posted July 4, 2013 Share #230 Posted July 4, 2013 That's an interesting observation, Russ--am curious if that deckhouse design was exclusive to Biloxi schooners or extends to schooners in general? I'm eventually going to be building a few schooners, so your observation is something I'm tucking away for when I start my research. That's also a very nice photo--looks like one fellow is wearing a bowler, so am guessing the picture is somewhere between late 1800s to late 'teens or early 20s? Jay Quote Current Build: Ariel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share #231 Posted July 4, 2013 Augie: Thanks for checking in. This is a really nice old photo. I do not want to post the entire photo for fear that I will see it on the net elsewhere. It has happened before with other photos. There are "those" people out there. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share #232 Posted July 4, 2013 Jay: I would not extend this to anything more than Biloxi schooners without more research. I would encourage you to do some digging on this in your other projects to see what was done in other cases. This photo is from the early 1900s and it is one of my favorites of local schooners. That man might be wearing another kind of hat. In this view it is a bit difficult to tell. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 1 Posted July 4, 2013 Share #233 Posted July 4, 2013 Thanks for your feedback, Russ. It'll be interesting to see if this was done elsewhere, so will study old photos, where possible, when I start those projects (am fortunate to have a good public and several university libraries nearby). Completely understand about not posting the entire photo re. unscrupulous people. The pics you've shared with your build are great--thank you! Jay Quote Current Build: Ariel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janet bode Posted July 28, 2013 Share #234 Posted July 28, 2013 Planking the hull was a fun experience. Here are the first planks in the bow The forward plank in he gardboard strake after shaping. Note the twist Garboard plank installed Clamping planks Here is how I spile planks Here is the upper belt completed More to come.Hi Russ.I like your build its great to see your planking methods they are differant to mine but it looks good, cant wait to see some more pics. regards. janet b Questions and comments welcomed. Russ SkerryAmp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share #235 Posted July 28, 2013 Janet: Thanks for looking in. I hope to get some more done on this model once I get finals graded and the grades posted. My planking method follows how ships were planked, adapted, of course, for scale modeling. I find it easiest to plank in this method, but everyone has their own preferences. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcosta Posted September 3, 2013 Share #236 Posted September 3, 2013 Hi ! I wonder if i can ask you, if you can supply me the Plans for the Biloxi Schooner. Thanks for your kind patience and reply. Carlos Costa capcostalagos@gmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth Powell Posted September 3, 2013 Share #237 Posted September 3, 2013 A J Fisher (ajfisher.com) has the plans for the Miss Lou. They even sell the solid hull to get started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share #238 Posted September 3, 2013 Carlos: Alas, I have had MANY bad experiences with sharing my plans in the past and I am, at this point, not willing to do so. It is my intention to publish my research on Biloxi schooners at some time in the future and perhaps then I will make my plans available. You can get other plans from AJFisher.com. They have a solid hull kit and you can get the plans separately as well. I see Kenneth has just posted the same advice. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenW Posted November 1, 2013 Share #239 Posted November 1, 2013 What is your technique for bending the plank for your cap rail? That is what I call a "sideways" bend, and I have not been able to accomplish it. Thanks. Quote Ken NO PIRACY 4 ME! (SUPPORTING CHUCKS' IDEA) Current Build: Washington 1776 Galley Completed Builds: Pilot Boat Mary (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Continental Boat Providence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Continental Ship Independence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Rattlesnake (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Armed Virginia Sloop (from Completed Gallery) Fair American (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build Log) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share #240 Posted November 1, 2013 Ken: I traced the shape of the caprail onto a wide piece of basswood and then cut it out with a scalpel. Cut just outside the lines and then use an emory board to VERY carefully sand the rail to its final shape. Actually, this is best done wit the rail in two or three sections because it is easy to break the piece. This method will take a bit of time and you might have to go through a couple of versions to get it right, but it is much easier than trying to edge bend a piece that wide. Russ captainbob, SkerryAmp and lambsbk 3 Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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