Atlantica by Wintergreen – Scale 1:30 - POF - sail training ketch - a smack of English heritage

[Jim Lad]

Delightful progress on the model, mate.  Good to hear that you're feeling OK!

 

John

[bolin]

Glad to see an update, and to hear that you feel better. 
 

[KeithAug]

The hull frames are looking very good. You have not lost your touch. One frame a day seems like a good target allowing plenty of time to admire your own handy work, and of course spot and correct any anomalies. I'm glad you are starting to feel better, I hope things accelerate from here. It is still a bit damp over here😐.

[jlefever]

Looking good. I'm enjoying following your work.

 

Jim

[Wintergreen]

Voliá!

Here I am again. No boating this summer to blame, instead  a lot of other fun activities.

I guess the picture material calls for some sort of celebration, right? Yep, that is framing done. Well, almost... there are filler pieces that goes up to the stem and then there are the stern timbers also. Now I must make plan for sanding the hull and how to support it. My plan for now at least is to temporary glue strakes to the timber tops. That will give me an even curvature of the frames. 

As far as my drafting goes I had made a couple of mistakes so I had to redo 4-5 pieces. Not much at all and I'm satisfied of the result.

 

 

[KeithAug]

looking really nice Hakan. Beautifully clean work as usual.

[FlyingFish]

Just catching up...tremedous progress Haken - both the build and yourself! That photo down the frames gives a real sense of the shape of the hull- very elegant.

[wefalck]

Keep it coming !

 

[Wintergreen]

I don't know if you've been dying for an update?

Anyway, at last, here is one. 🙂 

Since last update I have been fairing the outside of the frames. I used my blue Bosch orbital sander. All in all it looks good. Areas left are closest to the keel where more work is needed.

For the next step I have been debating if I should start carving the rabbet or if I should try to make the cant frames at the stern.

After some messing around with the rabbet just to see if it was plausible to work on I decided to focus on the aft section. The challenge to solve was for some kind of jig for ease of fitting all these flimsy and small frame pieces. On the real ship the stern is completely filled with timber and I intend to do likewise.

 

As can be seen in the images the structure is movable and the upper part is detachable. To get the shape right I switched from one type of CAD to another... that is from Computer Aided Design to Cardboard Aided Design 😄 

The upper face of the lower part is the deck line and the upper face of the top part is the top of stanchions line.

From the book it is clear that the rail stanchions only go halfway down to the keel bar the foremost one. That is a blessing since it will be much easier to fit those compared to the first pair seen in the pictures.

 

Another subject under debate is my health. It was supposed to be a DT for pre-operative planning but instead it became me vs cancer Round 2. At the moment I've been to one MRi last Monday and was right away scheduled for another one three weeks from now. The worry is metastatis in the liver.

 

What can I say... Life is what it is and there is no guarantee for a long and healthy life for any of us. Try to make the most of it or as Gandalf says to Frodo:

"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."

 

[mtaylor]

You should tradmark "Cardboard Aided Design"  LOL.    You're doing some beautiful work on this.   I'm with you on making the best use of the time we have.   I note that medical stuff is a pain (literally and figuratively and I hope/pray for a good outcome of this.  

[Roger Pellett]

Hoping for a good outcome for you.

 

Roger

[KeithAug]

On 10/20/2022 at 8:20 PM, Wintergreen said:

Another subject under debate is my health

That's a bit of a bummer Hakan, lets hope the medics have got it wrong, it seems to me they are far less accurate than the average model boat builder. Best of luck with the MRi's mate. Model building and family are the best therapy.

[ccoyle]

On 10/20/2022 at 3:20 PM, Wintergreen said:

Another subject under debate is my health.

 

Hoping for a good outcome for you!

 

[FlyingFish]

Hey Hakan, she's looking good!

Remember that every day modelling, like flyfishing, is added to your life. Very best wishes from me too.

[Wintergreen]

Thanks guys for all the well-wishes ❤

A couple more progress photos today.

The shapes are a bit crude, but nothing some sanding can't fix. "Oh, glorius sanding" 

 

[FlyingFish]

The grain on the frames looks really good - very authentic!

[Wintergreen]

Thanks for likes and comments! Always appreaciated 🙂 

So, filler work continued in stern area. Since I hadn't drafted this part mostly due to lazyness all pieces were cut oversized.

First a copule of pictures for scale...

I especially like the second picture and the little fella with the torch. What also can be seen in the second picture is how even and nice all the filler pieces are.

Mine, not so much as we'll see shortly.

In the next picture starboard side is more or less roughly to shape. Port, as can be seen, is not started.

When both sides where filled and after some initial sanding with 60 and 100 grit paper I drew a bunch of waterlines to see the shape more clearly.

Looks okay from this angle...

Not so much from this angle (see below) 😮 

As the lines reveal the lady needs to loose some pounds from her rear end. (Do Not, I repeat, do Not say that to the Admiral!)

The lines should in a perfect world describe a nice arch and lines from both sides should meet att no more than 90 degrees to the centreline. Problematic areas are highlighted.

After even more sanding things are starting to look okay.

A bit wavy close to the centreline, but I put that in the bag for hard to reach areas when drawing the waterline.

Right side up and things are looking even better (yup, I'm biased).

 

Now over to the rabbet and planking can soon be started. Yay!

Pax et bonum, friends!

 

[KeithAug]

21 hours ago, Wintergreen said:

the lady needs to loose some pounds from her rear end

Hakan - Beautiful work on her rear end. I hope you didn't get too excited.

[Wintergreen]

Haha, thank you @KeithAug for the laughter of the day!

No, I didn't get too excited, just you know, like normal excited 😛 

 

Anyway, thanks for the likes so far.

Planking, yes. But after a second thought I checked in with the book. After framing the shipwrights put on the four topmost strakes. After that the deck structure went in and after that planking.

So... that's how I am going to do it. I think.

First the bollard timbers though. For them to line up properly I partly cut the rabbet in the stem, then glued stiff paper as guides and then it was just down to sanding, testingfitting, more sanding, more testfitting and so on.

 

Next picture is a good deal of hours later. Rabbet is cut in the stem, frames are faired, now all I need is planks...

To be able to get a satisfactory result you need to be able to secure the object. Be it a piece of a frame or the entire hull structure. And also be able to see, i.e. lighting!

Initially I cut the rabbet with the hull upright on the slipway. Not ideal since it was awkward and I obscured the light with my hands. After a good nights sleep I came up with a better idea.

Not only can I secure the hull to the holder, the support itself is secured to the slipway. See next picture below.

And it is easy to flip over the pattern to match work on port side since it is screwed on top of the 2by4.

Then, about planks... in the picture above lies a bunch of planks, 3x9", and scale length 250mm. All in all 8 planks per strake and 23 strakes, plus the garboard which will be wider. That is 184 planks + the garboards. Oh my. Better start ripping... 😄 

I will cut the rest to about 300mm length, even though that is beyond the scale. Reason is to have some millimeters to spare when laying out the pattern.

The keen eyed viewer will recognize the plank below as birch and that will be used for all but the garboard and rubbing strakes (the 4 topmost). These exceptions will be of apple.

Pax et bonum, fellows!

 

[KeithAug]

Lovely work.

[FlyingFish]

Great to see this Hakan, really like the original methodology, and hand working!

[Wintergreen]

31 minutes ago, FlyingFish said:

Great to see this Hakan, really like the original methodology, and hand working!

Well thank you Andy!

Yep, much working by hand since I have but full size woodworking machinery. No mini lathe, no mini drill/mill, no mini table saw, not even a scroll saw.

Instead, home made disc sander, home made thickness sander, sharp chisels, nice files, manual scroll saw and a can-do attitude. 😉 

But I have a question for you, now that Orca is finished - what are you up to?

[FlyingFish]

Like you I mostly use hand tools, and improvise with home made jigs for other tasks - I enjoy the challenge!

Well I am researching boats similar to your ketch - there is a long tradition of fishing ketches here in the south coast of England. I'm interested in the fact that they were built for the task longlining or trawling - powerful and able to work in big seas, yet fast to get the catch to market. 

I hope to choose a suitable boat for a build soon.

Edited November 5, 2022 by FlyingFish

[Wintergreen]

That rabbet thing is quite something.

After closer inspection at the stem more work is needed. Meanwhile work has been carried out along the keel and moving aft.

After several hours this is what it looks like (below). The hard part is the transition from deadwood and up against the transom timber. 

The book is great support and I'm examining every image to find hints and evidence on how things were done.

If you think everything is so tidy and in order... think again 😉 

Pax et bonum.

[KeithAug]

49 minutes ago, Wintergreen said:

After several hours this is what it looks like (below)

Yes - very neatly done.

[Wintergreen]

Thank you Keith 🙂 

One struggle is that the apple wood shifts its grain pattern. And that is even though I choose as straight pieces as possible for the keel assembly.

So while the chisel cuts nicely it all of a sudden stops and I have to cut from the opposite direction. Which sometime is not even possible...

However, having really sharp chisels helps (it always helps to have really sharp chisel, no duh) but I mean Really Sharp chisels..

And then care is needed so no unplanned blood samples are given 😛 

Hopefully I have a mood better suited for building tomorrow. Today was a waste, more or less.

[KeithAug]

1 hour ago, Wintergreen said:

Today was a waste, more or less.

Hakan, yes I get those days. I find the trick is to recognise them early and go off and do something else.  I sometimes get the balance right but more frequently kick myself for not quitting sooner.

[Jim Lad]

I agree with Keith, Håkan. When you're having one of those days, just leave it.  Of course, that's not so easy if you happen to be the duty model maker at a museum! 

 

John

[Wintergreen]

Hello John! Glad you popped by my blog 🙂 

It is true, just let the chisel down and walk away. I tend to recognize these days quite early on, but it's so frustrating when you were planning for a day in the shed.

Well well, nothing happened to the model and what was broke is now fixed.

Today is a new day!

Exercise is already handled, onto breakfast and then some snow showelling to clear a path to the shed. First snowfall for the season, some 200mm/8". But it will thaw away coming week.

 

[KeithAug]

1 hour ago, Wintergreen said:

First snowfall for the season, some 200mm/8".

Time to crank up the shed heater.