Peter6172 Posted October 23, 2022 #1 Posted October 23, 2022 IN THE BEGINNING: OK team, I am starting this thread now as I have some work going on behind the scenes before I open my Christmas 22 present. I have purchased Session 1 of the CAF Bellona kit; a Third Rate 74 gun ship of the line in 1:48 scale. This is going to be a large ship at 1090mm main gun deck length. Not too sure on overall length with bowsprit and Jib Boom but it will stand nearly 1000mm tall once the masts are in place. Why such a large ship? I don't really know. I sercved on an overseas exchange posting with the Royal Navy teaching post graduate engineering at the Royal Navy Engineering College at Manado, Plymouth. The establishment on which the college was based was HMS THUNDERER. Unfortunately the establishment no longer exists as the college was moved to Collingwood in the late 90's and the base is now a housing estate. I have initiated the build hiring a 3D designer to produce the figurehead for the model of HMS THUNDERER as I cannot have the kit until Christmas . There are a few ZEUS resin sculptures out there but only one really comes close to the Figurehead. I am using that designer to modify and create a 3D print file for me to use in creating THUNDERERs Zeus figurehead. I have also gone over the AOS- BELLONA and the Dodds and Moore book "Building a Wooden Fighting Ship" to tease out the details I need for Session 1 which is the keel and Frames of the ship. I may then proceed to scratch build the rest of the hull using the books mentioned as I feel I have developed sufficient skill to do so. I suspect this will be a long duration build (unlike my current 3 - 6month builds), I suspect this one will be in the order of years. The only issue is its sheer size and where to put it when not working on it...... BenD, yvesvidal, bruce d and 12 others 15 Quote Completed: PORT JACKSON - 1803 Topsail Schooner 1/50 by Modellers Shipyard HMB ENDEAVOUR - 1768 Bark 1/64 by Artesania Latina Under Construction: HMAV BOUNTY - 1/60 by Amati NORFOLK Colonial Sloop- 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS EURYALUS - 1:48 Scratchbuild POF Next Project: HMS THUNDRER - 1/48 CAF Models/Scratchbuild Planned: HMS SUPPLY - 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS SIRIUS
gjdale Posted October 24, 2022 #2 Posted October 24, 2022 Should be an interesting build Peter - I’m in! mtaylor 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
mtaylor Posted October 24, 2022 #3 Posted October 24, 2022 I'm in also. stuglo 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
yvesvidal Posted October 24, 2022 #4 Posted October 24, 2022 The Session #1 is a good start, but you should consider getting Session #2 as well, as it will provide all the woods and special parts to cover the hull above the flotation line. I have described my impression of this kit in another thread HMS Bellona 1/48. By the way, the length is more like 1.2 meters or close to 5 feet with a reduced bowsprit. Yves mtaylor 1 Quote
Landlubber Mike Posted October 24, 2022 #5 Posted October 24, 2022 Looking forward to this one Peter! mtaylor 1 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
Peter6172 Posted October 27, 2022 Author #6 Posted October 27, 2022 Work in progress by my 3D designer. He has already achieved a great result. He wants to do some more detailing in the bird. yvesvidal, gjdale, bruce d and 9 others 10 2 Quote Completed: PORT JACKSON - 1803 Topsail Schooner 1/50 by Modellers Shipyard HMB ENDEAVOUR - 1768 Bark 1/64 by Artesania Latina Under Construction: HMAV BOUNTY - 1/60 by Amati NORFOLK Colonial Sloop- 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS EURYALUS - 1:48 Scratchbuild POF Next Project: HMS THUNDRER - 1/48 CAF Models/Scratchbuild Planned: HMS SUPPLY - 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS SIRIUS
Peter6172 Posted October 28, 2022 Author #7 Posted October 28, 2022 Anyone interested in my designers details, he's on CGTrader 3D Projects and FIVERR. He can be directly contacted on What's App at +94713926123 or email at gayan220@gmail.com Vladimir_Wairoa, Mr Whippy, yvesvidal and 3 others 6 Quote Completed: PORT JACKSON - 1803 Topsail Schooner 1/50 by Modellers Shipyard HMB ENDEAVOUR - 1768 Bark 1/64 by Artesania Latina Under Construction: HMAV BOUNTY - 1/60 by Amati NORFOLK Colonial Sloop- 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS EURYALUS - 1:48 Scratchbuild POF Next Project: HMS THUNDRER - 1/48 CAF Models/Scratchbuild Planned: HMS SUPPLY - 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS SIRIUS
yvesvidal Posted October 28, 2022 #8 Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) Peter, thank you for the contact information of the designer. That may come handy one day.... The bow provided in the CAF kit will not match your design and you will have to modify it heavily. CAF uses a cherry wood which is very nice. Yves Edited October 28, 2022 by yvesvidal mtaylor 1 Quote
allanyed Posted October 28, 2022 #9 Posted October 28, 2022 Hi Peter, it will be fun for us to follow your build As it is the Bellona class 74 I assume it is the 1760 Thunderer versus the 1783 ship. What book is it that you show the Zeus figurehead, the AOS or Building a Wooden Fighting Ship? Looking at the RMG model of the 1760 Thunderer it looks like a different figure. They do mention it may be Hercules, not Thunderer (or maybe some other ship altogether) thus a different figurehead. Allan mtaylor 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
Peter6172 Posted October 30, 2022 Author #10 Posted October 30, 2022 Allan, THUNDERER to which I refer (from Dodds and Moores book) was launched in 1760 and lost in a hurricane in 1780. I was not aware that another THUNDERER was launched 3 years after the loss of the first. The ZEUS figurehead is shown in the Dodds and Moore book. The RMGModel is a builders model of the THUNDERER/HERCULES. Both THUNDER and HERCULES were ordered on the same date (15/7/1756) however HERCULES was built at Deptford and commenced 2 months earlier than THUNDER who was built at Woolwich and launched a full year later. The builders model was made before the design was approved and the order for the ships made. These models were used to loft the ship, it was at Deplored first before being transferred to Woolwich. The figurehead on the ships model would be a modellers interpretation at the time as the ZEUS figurehead was created at Woolwich by John Henslow reputedly on the spot during the construction of THUNDERER (refer Dodds and Moore). GrandpaPhil and mtaylor 2 Quote Completed: PORT JACKSON - 1803 Topsail Schooner 1/50 by Modellers Shipyard HMB ENDEAVOUR - 1768 Bark 1/64 by Artesania Latina Under Construction: HMAV BOUNTY - 1/60 by Amati NORFOLK Colonial Sloop- 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS EURYALUS - 1:48 Scratchbuild POF Next Project: HMS THUNDRER - 1/48 CAF Models/Scratchbuild Planned: HMS SUPPLY - 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS SIRIUS
Peter6172 Posted November 12, 2022 Author #11 Posted November 12, 2022 Final 3D model waiting to print. Have been in contact with one resin printer in Canberra but communications seem to have been broken. It seems the local crew may have difficulty printing this model 90mm x 40mm x 30mm? GrandpaPhil, mtaylor, yvesvidal and 4 others 7 Quote Completed: PORT JACKSON - 1803 Topsail Schooner 1/50 by Modellers Shipyard HMB ENDEAVOUR - 1768 Bark 1/64 by Artesania Latina Under Construction: HMAV BOUNTY - 1/60 by Amati NORFOLK Colonial Sloop- 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS EURYALUS - 1:48 Scratchbuild POF Next Project: HMS THUNDRER - 1/48 CAF Models/Scratchbuild Planned: HMS SUPPLY - 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS SIRIUS
Peter6172 Posted December 2, 2022 Author #12 Posted December 2, 2022 My first print of the THUNDERER figurehead. I have put it on the bow of GREYHOUND (1/100). Unfortunately the shield and crown did not print well as the thickness was too small so I will have to go back to the designer to get those parts bolstered. yvesvidal, CiscoH, bruce d and 5 others 8 Quote Completed: PORT JACKSON - 1803 Topsail Schooner 1/50 by Modellers Shipyard HMB ENDEAVOUR - 1768 Bark 1/64 by Artesania Latina Under Construction: HMAV BOUNTY - 1/60 by Amati NORFOLK Colonial Sloop- 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS EURYALUS - 1:48 Scratchbuild POF Next Project: HMS THUNDRER - 1/48 CAF Models/Scratchbuild Planned: HMS SUPPLY - 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS SIRIUS
yvesvidal Posted December 4, 2022 #13 Posted December 4, 2022 If you intend to use that figurehead on the bow of the CAF Model HMS Bellona, you will need 12 mm between the legs, to make it sit comfortably, unless you are planning to shave and sand a lot of the cherry bow. But you probably know all that already, since you have the CAF kit Session #1. Yves mtaylor 1 Quote
allanyed Posted December 4, 2022 #14 Posted December 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, yvesvidal said: you will need 12 mm between the legs Hi Yves. I am curious to learn how you arrived at this figure. I tried some calculations using scantlings from both Steel and the Shipbuilder's Repository, for a 74, Both put the sided dimension of the stem at the head at 24". Assuming the knee of the head is about the same or slightly smaller where it fays to the stem and then tapers as it moves forward to about half the thickness as was normal practice, it would be about 12". At 1:48 --- 12/48 X25.4 = 6.34mm I cannot find any other way of calculating this but would love to know of any. Thanks in advance for your help on this. Allan Edited December 4, 2022 by allanyed Peter6172 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
Peter6172 Posted December 5, 2022 Author #15 Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, allanyed said: Hi Yves. I am curious to learn how you arrived at this figure. I tried some calculations using scantlings from both Steel and the Shipbuilder's Repository, for a 74, Both put the sided dimension of the stem at the head at 24". Assuming the knee of the head is about the same or slightly smaller where it fays to the stem and then tapers as it moves forward to about half the thickness as was normal practice, it would be about 12". At 1:48 --- 12/48 X25.4 = 6.34mm I cannot find any other way of calculating this but would love to know of any. Thanks in advance for your help on this. Allan Allan, you are correct. I feel that Yves has used the thickness of the stem material without taking into consideration that the stem is tapered going forward from the bow. I did a rough calculation and specified 7mm (based on the drawings in AOS-Bellona), however the designer has only allowed for 5mm at the knees opening to 8mm at the feet. I am quite comfortable shaving a little off Zeus' knees/stem to get them to fit together. Edited December 5, 2022 by Peter6172 mtaylor, scrubbyj427, yvesvidal and 1 other 4 Quote Completed: PORT JACKSON - 1803 Topsail Schooner 1/50 by Modellers Shipyard HMB ENDEAVOUR - 1768 Bark 1/64 by Artesania Latina Under Construction: HMAV BOUNTY - 1/60 by Amati NORFOLK Colonial Sloop- 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS EURYALUS - 1:48 Scratchbuild POF Next Project: HMS THUNDRER - 1/48 CAF Models/Scratchbuild Planned: HMS SUPPLY - 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS SIRIUS
yvesvidal Posted December 5, 2022 #16 Posted December 5, 2022 12 hours ago, Peter6172 said: Allan, you are correct. I feel that Yves has used the thickness of the stem material without taking into consideration that the stem is tapered going forward from the bow. I did a rough calculation and specified 7mm (based on the drawings in AOS-Bellona), however the designer has only allowed for 5mm at the knees opening to 8mm at the feet. I am quite comfortable shaving a little off Zeus' knees/stem to get them to fit together. That's is exactly what I did: The material (cherry wood) is 12 mm thick (made of 3 layers of 4 mm each). As indicated if you do not taper the bow, you will need 12 mm between the legs of the figurehead. It you decide tapering, you should do it before assembling the keel..... Yves mtaylor and Peter6172 2 Quote
Peter6172 Posted December 7, 2022 Author #17 Posted December 7, 2022 On 12/6/2022 at 12:55 AM, yvesvidal said: That's is exactly what I did: The material (cherry wood) is 12 mm thick (made of 3 layers of 4 mm each). As indicated if you do not taper the bow, you will need 12 mm between the legs of the figurehead. It you decide tapering, you should do it before assembling the keel..... Yves Thank you for the tip Yves. It's under the Christmas tree at present so I will have to wait before I can pull out the parts and do actual test fitting. The current figurehead may not be the correct size as I based its overall dimensions on the figurehead in the AOS-Bellona book. Once I have the parts in close proximity, I can then scale and reprint the figurehead if required as it seems a little large at present. Then gain the Bellona is a large ship even in 1:48 scale. mtaylor, yvesvidal and scrubbyj427 3 Quote Completed: PORT JACKSON - 1803 Topsail Schooner 1/50 by Modellers Shipyard HMB ENDEAVOUR - 1768 Bark 1/64 by Artesania Latina Under Construction: HMAV BOUNTY - 1/60 by Amati NORFOLK Colonial Sloop- 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS EURYALUS - 1:48 Scratchbuild POF Next Project: HMS THUNDRER - 1/48 CAF Models/Scratchbuild Planned: HMS SUPPLY - 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS SIRIUS
scrubbyj427 Posted February 18, 2023 #18 Posted February 18, 2023 Just found this log, very much Looking forward to this build and how you modify it to thunderer. JJ mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship
Peter6172 Posted February 20, 2023 Author #19 Posted February 20, 2023 OK team, I have put this build on hold as I have taken possession of the EURYALUS from a modeller who has now passed away. THUNDERER will be the next cab off the rank. scrubbyj427, Mr Whippy and Chuck 3 Quote Completed: PORT JACKSON - 1803 Topsail Schooner 1/50 by Modellers Shipyard HMB ENDEAVOUR - 1768 Bark 1/64 by Artesania Latina Under Construction: HMAV BOUNTY - 1/60 by Amati NORFOLK Colonial Sloop- 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS EURYALUS - 1:48 Scratchbuild POF Next Project: HMS THUNDRER - 1/48 CAF Models/Scratchbuild Planned: HMS SUPPLY - 1/64 Scratchbuild HMS SIRIUS
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