Mary Rose by Baker - scale 1/50 - "Your Noblest Shippe"

[Louie da fly]

20 hours ago, Baker said:

To my knowledge the only Tiger you can visit for free 

Immediately reminded me of the Monty Python sketch . . .

Steven

[MikkiC]

Looking good Patrick.

I have a few "things" for target practice with that Tiger II, but Google maps can't find a route from Pennsylvania to Belgium. Do our places really exist if Google can't find a route? 😁 

[Slowhand]

Fantastic build, it’s going to be of historical interest in the future. I must ask, do you have a special jig to get pairs of tree nails so even. 

[Baker]

2 hours ago, Slowhand said:

Fantastic build, it’s going to be of historical interest in the future. I must ask, do you have a special jig to get pairs of tree nails so even. 

Thanks. 

No, I first draw pencil lines and then start drilling

[Louie da fly]

On 9/15/2024 at 8:52 AM, MikkiC said:

Google maps can't find a route from Pennsylvania to Belgium

Perhaps you need one of those 'funny' tanks they used on the Normandy beaches. Only 3778 miles across the Atlantic - a doddle!

 

Steven

[Baker]

Standards and channel starboard side. 

Not every standard matched with the paintwork 😓

painting the hull in advance also has disadvantages for glueing.

clamping

construction of the (very long) channel.

The channel touches the hull only on 2 places.
Strange, I've never seen this anywhere else

Channel in place, now the small standards.

A rigging rail is also placed. No belaying pins on Mary 

Still to do : treenails,  bolts and danish oil

[druxey]

Actually, a stand-off of the channel from the side to prevent rot was usual on wooden ships. It's just that models usually don't show this feature!

[Snug Harbor Johnny]

[firdajan]

On 9/18/2024 at 6:36 PM, druxey said:

Actually, a stand-off of the channel from the side to prevent rot was usual on wooden ships. It's just that models usually don't show this feature!

But not on the Mary Rose. The main channel on the Mary Rose is well preserved and there´s nothing like this.

Edited September 25 by firdajan

[druxey]

True. The photo I posted is of a model two centuries later! However, the principle is the same, is it not?

[Baker]

[Louie da fly]

Just a quick question - when you get to the rigging, are you planning to duplicate those amazing multiple-hole deadeyes?

 

 

Steven

[Baker]

7 hours ago, Louie da fly said:

when you get to the rigging,

Do no, patience 😇

 

7 hours ago, Louie da fly said:

are you planning to duplicate those amazing multiple-hole deadeyes

most definitely yes 

[Baker]

The standards, channel en extra supports on the port side are ready

 

Next, standards,channels, etc. at the bow area.

Almost nothing remains of the original.  So, first i do test setups before building.

 

step one, 3 extra standards and a wale 

[Baker]

Before continuing with the forecastle, a few smaller items were added first.

And yes, a hole was also drilled through the planking

In this cabin on the starboard side, a hole was made through the hull here.   so there is also one provided on the port side

On each side, 3 standards were placed as a basis for the channel and rigging rail

Next some extra parts (exact name?)

And the basis for the port side channel, made from 3 parts

 

Now first check whether the standing rigging of the fore mast has space in relation to the forecastle.
No, so version 2 of the cardboard forecastle (right)

My first impression of this channel.
The right side should be narrower and would function as a rigging rail
The schrouds (6) will be placed in the middle
And the left side should also be narrower so that one of the two anchors can be attached there.
Ideas, comments on this are always welcome

[jfhealey]

This really is a very lovely model.

[Snug Harbor Johnny]

  'Watching with great interest, since I still have a lot to figure out to do more on the 'big brother' to the Mary Rose - a 1:88 Great Harry.  'Looks like the forecastle is a structure that gets built onto the hull form below where it sits.

[Louie da fly]

14 hours ago, Baker said:

Next some extra parts (exact name?)

Looks to me like you're making scuppers.

 

Beautiful work, Patrick! Just beautiful!

 

Steven

[Baker]

9 hours ago, Louie da fly said:

Looks to me like you're making scuppers.

 

Beautiful work, Patrick! Just beautiful!

 

Steven

Thanks

 

Not scuppers  

These are holes for the sheets and taks of the main and fore sail

 

But, scuppers scuppers??

There are scuppers in the hull and i forgot them. Oops 

Edited October 12 by Baker

[Louie da fly]

Perhaps fairleads? From Merriam-Webster online dictionary: 

fair·lead

or less commonly fairleader 

ˈfer-ˌlē-dər 

1.  : a block, ring, or strip of plank with holes that serves as a guide for the running rigging or any ship's rope and keeps it from chafing

2. : a course of running ship's rope that avoids all chafing.

 

Steven

[Baker]

The channels on the bow are ready.

Correct or not?? who knows ...

Current status

Next, the fore castle, an attempt to...

[Louie da fly]

Yes - no surviving fore channels, so your guess is  as good as anybody else's.

 

12 hours ago, Baker said:

Next, the fore castle, an attempt to...

I look forward to seeing what you do with this - your theoretical cardboard replica looks good.

 

Steven

[MikkiC]

Yes, we're all waiting for the glorious forecastle

[Baker]

7 hours ago, Louie da fly said:

Yes - no surviving fore channels, so your guess is  as good as anybody else's.

 

I look forward to seeing what you do with this - your theoretical cardboard replica looks good.

 

Steven

 

6 hours ago, MikkiC said:

Yes, we're all waiting for the glorious forecastle

Thanks

I have never felt so important in my entire life 😇.

I am starting to blush 

 

The first sketch of how the base (the lowest deck) should be.

 

[Baker]

Small update

The construction of the fore castle has only just begun and i already doing it wrong. There simply cannot be a beam in the middle because then there is no place for the fore mast...

So new plan is needed without a beam in the middle.
On all of Anthony's sketches of the large ships there is no "figurehead".  Only on the contemporary drawings.
So I am now starting with a regular triangle as a base.

 

[Louie da fly]

That depends on where the foremast is stepped. The Anthony Roll picture makes it look like it's right on top off the stempost. And here's a carrack (and Mary Rose was a "super-carrack") with a central beam under the forecastle.

 

But also, quiet a few contemporary pictures of carracks show the foremast offset slightly to one side.

 

 

For your consideration.

 

Steven

[Baker]

Thanks Steven. 

Plan b

Plan c

🤔

 

 

[MikkiC]

Maybe no one will notice a missing foremast except maybe

@Louie da fly, and he will absolutely be gentlemanly about it. You know, something like, "nice work Patrick. Have you considered a foremast?" 😁

That frame has to take a good bit of weight, so I vote for max crossbeams and center beams (plan c) since triangle is strong(est) structure. 

 

[tartane]

Two beams next to each other between which the foremast is clamped?

Constant

[Baker]

2 hours ago, tartane said:

Two beams next to each other between which the foremast is clamped?

Constant

Current status

I suspect I'm going to get into trouble with the bowsprit this way