Scottish Guy Posted March 28 Share #1 Posted March 28 Hello everyone, I´m Michael and I live in a small fishing village on the Scottish North Coast. I was a sailor in younger age and still love and adore sailing boats / yachts. I found my first scale model (Revell HMS Victory 1/225) and got hooked up. I´m pretty new to scale models and therefore I have two different models in mind as the second one. There is a model of the Cutty Sark (1/96) from Revell and the 1/100 model of the HMS Victory from Heller. I want to do one or even both of them to increase my skills and then I would like to build from scratch my absolute dream yacht, a Hallberg Rassy 57. I know I need more skills for that. My wish would be to build the HR57 in a scale of 1/10 or 1/20, do you think that is too ambitious? Therefore I ask you guys if the Revell or Heller models are any good to increase my skills and if those are good models at all? Also what is the exact difference between the HMS Victory and the HMS Victory Starter Kit from Heller? If I get it correct the Starter Kit includes glue and the base colours? Thank you for your patience to read all this and I´m looking forward to your answers. Kind regards, Michael Thukydides, Harvey Golden, wvdhee and 8 others 11 Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted March 28 Share #2 Posted March 28 (edited) Welcome! I built several of the Heller and Revell ships many years ago. I enjoyed them immensely. If you are looking at increasing your skills to scratch build a future model, I would recommend Chris Watton’s Vanguard models. He has a most excellent line of wood beginners kits that would make great display pieces as well. Edited March 28 by GrandpaPhil Scottish Guy, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted March 28 Share #3 Posted March 28 Welcome to MSW Michael! Allan Keith Black, mtaylor and Scottish Guy 3 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted March 28 Share #4 Posted March 28 Heller and certainly Revell have good kits. You're going to learn a lot when you build them. mtaylor, Keith Black and Scottish Guy 3 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knocklouder Posted March 28 Share #5 Posted March 28 Keith Black, mtaylor and Scottish Guy 3 Quote Start so you can Finish !! Finished: The Sea of Galilee Boat-Scott Miller-1:20 , Amati } Hannah Ship in a Bottle:Santa Maria : LA Pinta : La Nana : The Mayflower : Viking Ship Drakkar The King Of the Mississippi Artesania Latina 1:80 Current Build: Royal Yacht, Duchess of Kingston-Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 28 Share #6 Posted March 28 Welcome aboard, Michael! Scottish Guy, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrochBoating Posted March 28 Share #7 Posted March 28 Welcome to the Scottish part of MSW Another hearty vote for Vanguard Models. Scottish Guy, Keith Black and mtaylor 3 Quote Simon. Current builds HMS Speedy v2023 - Vanguard Models Nisha - Vanguard Models HM Gun Brig Adder - Vanguard Models Previous HM Cutter Trial - Vanguard Models Saucy Jack - Vanguard Models Polaris - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted March 28 Share #8 Posted March 28 Michael, welcome to MSW. Glad to have you aboard. mtaylor and Scottish Guy 2 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERS Rich Posted March 28 Share #9 Posted March 28 Welcome to Model Ship World. I don’t know about the difference between the 2 Victory kits…. Certainly these kits will help you increase your skill. Consider a plastic kit has all the parts made, each part needs a little work, sanding, filing, to get a good fit. So less time building. Knowing how to apply a finish is crucial. Plastic offers the opportunity to experiment with different paint to find out what works best for you - enamel? Acrylic.? Brush or airbrush? The Hallberg Rassy 57 yacht is certainly a good subject. Recommend that you find a similar wooden Yacht ship kit before trying “scratch building”. Consider jumping from plastic to wood modeling is a big step. Because if it’s new to you, wood working takes some time to learn: understanding tools, sharpening, and wood characteristics. However, you may already understand this! If so you are ahead of the average bear. Another advantage of a kit is the instructions will lead you through the process, and some of the components will be prefabricated, saving time, and there are plenty of parts that require scratch building techniques. Agree that Vanguard is a great way to get started. Good luck with your projects, -Rich mtaylor, Keith Black and Scottish Guy 3 Quote Build Logs: USS Maine, USS Constitution (Hull) Albums: Baltimore Clipper, Sherbourne Cutter, Lackawanna Tug, Eagle Coastal Schooner, Katy Pilot Boat, Sultana Colonial Schooner, Armed Virginia Sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dowling Posted March 28 Share #10 Posted March 28 Welcome indeed to the growing Scottish contingent! Scottish Guy and mtaylor 2 Quote Current build : Gorch Fock Occre Completed non-boat build 1/16 Model expo Sopwith Camel - in shore leave. Previous boat builds: Amerigo Vespucci Occre Yacht Mary Artesania Latina Red Dragon (Modified) Non-boat build 1/24 scale Dennis bus by OcCre - in shore leave. Mare Nostrum (modified) Amati Oseberg (modified) Chaperon sternwheel steamer 1884 Constructo Lady Smith kit/scratch build OcCre Santisima Trinidad Cross Section Constructo Robert E Lee Paddle Steamer Constructo Louise, steam powered river boat OcCre Bounty with cutaway hull Corel Scotland Baltic Ketch (not on MSW) OcCre Spirit of Mississippi paddle steamer (not on MSW) In the Gallery: Mare Nostrum Oesberg Constructo Lady Smith Constructo Robert E Lee Constructo Louise OcCre Bounty OcCre Spirit of Mississippi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Guy Posted March 28 Author Share #11 Posted March 28 10 minutes ago, ERS Rich said: The Hallberg Rassy 57 yacht is certainly a good subject. Recommend that you find a similar wooden Yacht ship kit before trying “scratch building”. Consider jumping from plastic to wood modeling is a big step. Because if it’s new to you, wood working takes some time to learn: understanding tools, sharpening, and wood characteristics. However, you may already understand this! If so you are ahead of the average bear. Hi Rich, thank you for the advise but I`m not new to wood working. I have done quiet a lot with wood already. Build two RV´s, rebuild my sailboats (one was a complete wooden boat - 28ft.). I also have done some other wood working stuff except furniture building, I have been carving for almost 15 yrs now so the wood working is not the scary thing, it`s more the scaled down ship work. I think it`s a difference if working on a life size sail boat or a miniature of it. I also have a former scale building history (25 yrs ago) with Star Trek Models like the U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701, NCC-1701A, NCC-1701D), the U.S.S. Reliant NCC-1864, a Klingon Bird of Prey and some other models. Some of them equipped with lightning (no kits, all made myself) and I build some resin models like an Alien Queen, Predator and Freddy Kruger. But I want to gain more skills since this was a long time ago, the only experience which I never really gave up is the wood working. Michael mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Guy Posted March 28 Author Share #12 Posted March 28 Thank you all guys, I really appreciate that kind and polite welcome. Michael Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dowling Posted March 28 Share #13 Posted March 28 You might have a look at Occre kits. I have done a lot of them. They are not too badly priced, their instructions are really good (except perhaps for rigging) and their wood quality generally fine. Scottish Guy, Keith Black and mtaylor 3 Quote Current build : Gorch Fock Occre Completed non-boat build 1/16 Model expo Sopwith Camel - in shore leave. Previous boat builds: Amerigo Vespucci Occre Yacht Mary Artesania Latina Red Dragon (Modified) Non-boat build 1/24 scale Dennis bus by OcCre - in shore leave. Mare Nostrum (modified) Amati Oseberg (modified) Chaperon sternwheel steamer 1884 Constructo Lady Smith kit/scratch build OcCre Santisima Trinidad Cross Section Constructo Robert E Lee Paddle Steamer Constructo Louise, steam powered river boat OcCre Bounty with cutaway hull Corel Scotland Baltic Ketch (not on MSW) OcCre Spirit of Mississippi paddle steamer (not on MSW) In the Gallery: Mare Nostrum Oesberg Constructo Lady Smith Constructo Robert E Lee Constructo Louise OcCre Bounty OcCre Spirit of Mississippi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERS Rich Posted March 28 Share #14 Posted March 28 Fantastic! Sounds like you are ready to go! Same as full size woodworking, just smaller. Cheers Keith Black, Scottish Guy and mtaylor 3 Quote Build Logs: USS Maine, USS Constitution (Hull) Albums: Baltimore Clipper, Sherbourne Cutter, Lackawanna Tug, Eagle Coastal Schooner, Katy Pilot Boat, Sultana Colonial Schooner, Armed Virginia Sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 28 Share #15 Posted March 28 Scottish Guy and Keith Black 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted March 28 Share #16 Posted March 28 15 hours ago, Scottish Guy said: Therefore I ask you guys if the Revell or Heller models are any good to increase my skills and if those are good models at all? From my perspective - wood - scratch - POF - if your near term goal is to scratch build a yacht using wood, any time spent building a plastic model is time wasted. There is very little overlap in the skills required. The rigging on a large scale version of a modern yacht will have very little in common with the rigging of Nelson Era first rate man of war. You may even choose to paint with wood rather than pigment in a binder, so the only other overlap is not relevant if you do. The surface prep on plastic does not relate to that of wood either. A small craft starter kit of a wooden model would be a more productive time investment. It will probably want a couple more incrementally complex kits to get there. Meanwhile - read. Chapelle's Boatbuilding, Books covering small craft and yacht construction, lofting. As a background alert, I see plastic as being an absolutely terrible material to simulate wood. It is close to essential as a material to simulate steel. But, it requires really special skills to use it as a raw material and be shaped to match a one-off plan. Keith Black, Scottish Guy and mtaylor 3 Quote NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Guy Posted March 29 Author Share #17 Posted March 29 8 hours ago, Jaager said: From my perspective - wood - scratch - POF - if your near term goal is to scratch build a yacht using wood, any time spent building a plastic model is time wasted. Hello Jaager, I take it you advise me to start with smaller wooden sets instead of improving the "plastic" skills? A new approach to my route but I really will think about it. Also my last experience doing a plastic kit has been roughly 25 years ago. But I agree, working with wood is different to working with plastic materials, even different to resin. Quote The rigging on a large scale version of a modern yacht will have very little in common with the rigging of Nelson Era first rate man of war. I agree completely on this one, you can´t even compare the rigging of a huge modern sail yacht (80tf and longer) with the rigging of any historical sailing ship. But you definitely can´t compare the rigging of a one mast sail yacht with a multi mast yacht or sailing ship from the 18th century or even older. Quote A small craft starter kit of a wooden model would be a more productive time investment. It will probably want a couple more incrementally complex kits to get there. Meanwhile - read. Chapelle's Boatbuilding, Books covering small craft and yacht construction, lofting. Do you have a kit in mind here or ist it just a general advice to get started with the wood models? I have some books for building a sail yacht and about hull building. I owned a sail yacht many years ago, then I bought a 24ft six years ago which needed some work done to become seaworthy again till we found some dramatic damages on the keels so I bought books on hull building and yacht building in general. I hope those might help as well in doing the wood working and for my goal, building the HR57. I contacted Hallberg Rassy already and unfortunately Magnus Rassy explained to me that they don´t give away blueprints of their boats. Which I can understand somehow, even if I only want to rebuild a scale model of it but with the blueprints you could build your own Hallberg Rassy ^^. Therefore I have to go by the publicly posted and provided drawings and pictures. Micha Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Thistle Posted March 29 Share #18 Posted March 29 (edited) Michael, Welcome to MSW. Vanguard Models do a couple of excellent Scottish fishing vessel models - the Fifie and the Zulu, plus a number of other equally good UK fishing vessels. There is a preserved Fife Reaper in Anstruther harbour ..... https://www.scotfishmuseum.org/zulu-gallery.php and https://www.classicboat.co.uk/news/iconic-fifie-reaper-to-be-reopened-to-public-after-1m-restoration/ There are many superb builds of all these vessels on MSW to enjoy and ask questions about. Richard Edited March 29 by Rik Thistle Scottish Guy, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote Current build: U.S. Army K51 Radio Truck with K52 Trailer - 1944 - MiniArt - 1:35 Next build: PM Research Crank Shaper - late 1800s - 1:12 Part finished: HMS Flirt (MSE) - 1782 Vanguard Models - 1:64 Finished: Archer anti-tank gun Diorama - 1944 -Tamiya 1:35 : Churchill MkVII tank Diorama - Tamiya - 1:35 - 1944 : Sherman Firefly Tank Diorama - Revell - 1/76 - WWII : Humber MkII Scout Car Diorama - - Revell - 1:76 - WWII : PM Research Drill Press - 1895 - 1:12 : PM Research Milling Machine - late 1800s - 1:12 (est) : Stuart Engineering Lathe - late 1800s - 1:12 (est) : Stuart Beam model steam engine - 1770s onwards - 1:12 (est) : Stuart 10V model steam engine circa 1920s - 1:12 (est) : Lady Eleanor Fifie Circa 1900 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 : Dallas Cutter 1815 - Artesania Latina - 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted March 29 Share #19 Posted March 29 6 hours ago, Scottish Guy said: Do you have a kit in mind here I do, but I have no hands-on experience with any of them. I started with a solid hull Balsa Scientific kit - a clipper - not a good beginner's choice - but it was so simplified - not much more than a decorator model really - that I was able to finish it. I then started with a yellow box Model Shipways solid hull topsail schooner. Those old style solid hull kits were so basic that going over to scratch and POF was a short step. The lofting for POF was and is a deep dive into a complex world and a serious time sink if the subject is a vessel of some size. So going by a swift current here, the Model Shipways sponsored Shipwright Series appears to be a successful way to enter into this. The old yellow box kits have become extinct. The parent company Model Expo shows problems with ethics from time to time. BlueJacket has beginner small craft that will also probably ease you into this. Both are domestic to western hemisphere colony interests and subjects as well as import duty complexities. I did not offer an initial suggestion because I suspected that there would be suggestions about kits from British source companies. I do not know if there are any starter kits that are as hand holding as the Shipwright Series. However you appear to be starting a bit farther down the road than our usual complete tyro so perhaps something a bit more sophisticated would work for you. But - start with a boat in any case. Even if you wish to replicated Nelson's fleet or in my case Allin's (booo, booo) and Anson's (yeah) fleets, all of these ships carried multiple boats. Learning how to build them first is anything but a waste of time. Keith Black and Scottish Guy 1 1 Quote NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 29 Share #20 Posted March 29 Micha, you might consider the three ship beginner series from Model Expo. It's designed by one our members here who's well known to modelers and will get through the basics of planking, and rigging in a step by step manner. Scottish Guy and Keith Black 1 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Guy Posted March 30 Author Share #21 Posted March 30 16 hours ago, mtaylor said: Micha, you might consider the three ship beginner series from Model Expo. It's designed by one our members here who's well known to modelers and will get through the basics of planking, and rigging in a step by step manner. Hi Mark, I was wondering if the Artesania Latina 1/41 Virginia a good model would be for a beginner? They also offer a Billings 1/100 Bluenose II for around the same money. The look quiet nice and I thought they might be good boats to start with. Following the links to the both... https://www.wonderlandmodels.com/artesania-latina-virginia-schooner/ https://www.wonderlandmodels.com/billings-bluenose-ii/ Those are the two I´m considering. Micha Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 30 Share #22 Posted March 30 Hi Micha, I really don't have an answer with those two models as I've never done one. I hope someone else can provide an answer. Keith Black and Scottish Guy 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted March 31 Share #23 Posted March 31 Give a thought to something about the size of of Billings' Torborg. With no experience with Billings as far as quality, a search for a log that might provide the desired data came up empty. A log by you would cut new ground. A schooner is not a boat. A boat can be quick and dirty, and if done using quality materials : A finished small subject using one of the larger scales and the completed model living in a case on a shelf near you => confidence and inspiration. The more you bounce around here, the more background gained about what is of interest - and how involved a specific kit really is. As far as real quality wood materials that are a joy to work rather than a fight, options are fairly limited - for example Syren, Vanguard, 3rd party sawmill sourced substitution, you being your own sawmill. Keith Black and Scottish Guy 2 Quote NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Guy Posted March 31 Author Share #24 Posted March 31 6 hours ago, Jaager said: Give a thought to something about the size of of Billings' Torborg. With no experience with Billings as far as quality, a search for a log that might provide the desired data came up empty. A log by you would cut new ground. Hi Jaager, thank you for the answer. I couldn´t find the Billing Boats "Torborg" anywhere for ordering but I found the Billing Boats "Roar Ege" which I think is also "easy" enough as a starter kit and available at three shops to buy. I also couldn´t find a log in the forum for building one of those. I like the norse history and this boat reminds me a bit to vikings (somehow connected to Scotland by history). Here is the boat / ship: https://www.billingboats.com/index.php/modelboats-footer/56/120/boats/advanced-beginner/P-bb703-roar-ege Micha mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted March 31 Share #25 Posted March 31 1 hour ago, Scottish Guy said: I couldn´t find the Billing Boats "Torborg" anywhere for ordering I followed your wonderlandmodels link - clicked models and kits - so much junk! - then checked the Billings isolating factor on the left and Torborg is top row at the right column. It also looks clinker - the point is that it is an open boat. - Rowing or single mast, a boat is the best chance for completion. The attrition rate for those attempting a first time wooden vessel and even going the extra step of doing it with a log is so high here that I have the conclusion - it is almost impossible to start with a kit that is too simple. Most - probably pretty much all of us - start with plastic. I blame a large portion of the high abandonment rate as involving those who were serious about plastic and tried wood thinking that it is the same process with a different material. The whole process is so different that it is like a whole other planet. The unrealistic expectations about what help the instructions will provide and it being fabrication rather than the simple straight forward assembly of plastic leading to frustration and anger. I have seen no exit interviews to support this proposition. A wooden ship model is not one single process. It is a series of subunits, each of which is a model unto itself. For all of us, our muse and our inspiration comes and goes. The larger, the more complex the model, the higher the probability is that the builder will not be there when the muse returns. This is more likely with freshmen rather than seniors and grad students. Nobody ever graduates. Scottish Guy, Keith Black, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted March 31 Share #26 Posted March 31 Hi Micha, Welcome to MSW! I have fond memories of the far North coast, we had many family holidays in the Durness and Balnakiel bay area. Good luck with your next project, hope you do a build log. Vanguard Models do a couple of really nice Scottish trawlers aimed at beginners Keith Black, mtaylor and Scottish Guy 3 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Guy Posted March 31 Author Share #27 Posted March 31 9 hours ago, AJohnson said: Hi Micha, Welcome to MSW! I have fond memories of the far North coast, we had many family holidays in the Durness and Balnakiel bay area. Good luck with your next project, hope you do a build log. Vanguard Models do a couple of really nice Scottish trawlers aimed at beginners Hi Andrew, let me say, the Balnakeil / Durness area is pretty nice, wish I would live there but visiting the area couple of times a year is already nice. Where I do live it´s also nice. I love the sea and when the waves crash over the harbour walls ^^. Living in a small fishing town is just what calms down my brain and myself, even if the tourists can be annoying sometimes lol Micha AJohnson, Keith Black and mtaylor 1 1 1 Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted March 31 Share #28 Posted March 31 11 minutes ago, Scottish Guy said: Living in a small fishing town is just what calms down my brain and myself, even if the tourists can be annoying sometimes lol Micha Apologies, hell I must of been one of those! 🤣 mtaylor, Scottish Guy and Keith Black 1 2 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Guy Posted April 1 Author Share #29 Posted April 1 6 hours ago, AJohnson said: Apologies, hell I must of been one of those! 🤣 nah, don´t think so Allan, no reason to apologise at all. At the end of the day, this little towns live from the tourists, the problem are more the camper vans that are unreasonable. When the beach car park is blocked by three camper vans and the locals barely can enter them to walk their dogs but another three camper vans squeeze themselves in, that´s when it gets annoying... even if i don´t understand it. I did / do camping to be on my own, to have freedom but than standing with 6 campervans (not always the smallest ones) in a car park designed for 8 passenger cars like sardines in a tin... Micha Keith Black, mtaylor and AJohnson 3 Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Guy Posted April 1 Author Share #30 Posted April 1 sooo... decision is done. I ordered the Billing Boats "Roar Ege" in 1/25 scale. Don´t know about the delivery times of cornwallmodelboats.co.uk but I hope it won´t take too long. Not sure about the paint, only ordered one tin (22ml) of paint yet, we will see how far I can go with that one. If not I have to order more of the colour. Really looking forward to it. Might need some help to create the log for the build but I´m pretty certain that there will be folks here to help me with that when I ask questions about it. Micha mtaylor, Coyote_6 and Keith Black 3 Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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