FW 200 V3 Condor by king derelict - FINISHED - Roden - 1/144

[king derelict]

I may be overextending myself here but I don't think the Holland class submarine will take much longer to complete. This will be the next kit, a rare venture into aircraft and the surprises of a Roden kit.

The kit provides several alternative markings for "you know who's" personal aircraft from 1938 to 1943, ranging from civilian schemes through camouflage to Russian winter white. I like the scheme shown on the box art, The kit provides decals for the gloss black elements and the base is silver.

I am trying to decide whether this should be a polished metal finish or whether it was silver paint. So far the photos suggest that teh fuselage and wings may be polished metal with silver painted fabric tail planes. More research need and any advice is very welcome.

The kit looks very simple but teh painting may be interesting.

Thanks for looking in

Alan

[wefalck]

I may be mistaken, but I think Focke-Wulf built only all-metal aircraft, no fabric panels ...

 

There are various German-language resources on the Fw200 on the Internet, that should be accessible with the aid of GoogleTranslation:

 

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_200

 

https://fw200-restaurierung-bremen.de

 

and https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=FW200&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

 

[king derelict]

3 hours ago, wefalck said:

I may be mistaken, but I think Focke-Wulf built only all-metal aircraft, no fabric panels ...

 

There are various German-language resources on the Fw200 on the Internet, that should be accessible with the aid of GoogleTranslation:

 

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_200

 

https://fw200-restaurierung-bremen.de

 

and https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=FW200&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

 

Thank you wefalck. Everything I have found says that it would have been polished metal, no silver doped surfaces. Thank you very much for the input and links

 

Alan

[Old Collingwood]

Looking forward  to  this mate,    you don't  see that many  four engined  civil  airliners  presented in kits.

 

OC.

[Baker]

In german

https://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Fw200.htm

 

Nice project 

[Landlubber Mike]

Fantastic subject!  Hopefully at 1/144 it shouldn't be too much of a space eater.

[king derelict]

21 hours ago, Old Collingwood said:

Looking forward  to  this mate,    you don't  see that many  four engined  civil  airliners  presented in kits.

 

OC.

I always thought the Condors were graceful aircraft. The kit looks pretty basic so it will be mostly a painting exercise.

Alan

[king derelict]

17 hours ago, Baker said:

In german

https://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Fw200.htm

 

Nice project 

Thank you Patrick. Something different for me

Alan

[king derelict]

1 hour ago, Landlubber Mike said:

Fantastic subject!  Hopefully at 1/144 it shouldn't be too much of a space eater.

Hi Mike, 1/44 is a new scale for me. I have one or two aircraft in that scale that I can't afford space for at 1/72 or bigger. I'm curious to see how they turn out.

Alan

[king derelict]

A start has been made in between finishing the other models in progress. The Roden box is very full of parts but there are large numbers of bits on the sprues that don't apply to this version.

The windows were added to the fuselage halves. There are no interior details and no way to see them so the fuselage halves were then joined. The fit was excellent. Very little gap, just a nasty sink on the upper fuselage behind the cockpit. Adding the wings was another matter and a significant gap is present between the lower wing and the fuselage. I'm using Mr Dissolved Putty for the first time. Apart from the pungent smell I like it. It seems to dry to a harder and more workable finish than the Vallejo putty I have used in the past.

I've masked the windows ready for priming. The kit provided black decals that will surround the windows and cockpit and hopefully the masks will fall within the area of teh decal. An oddity in the kit appeared at this point. The decal for the nose has a window between the cockpit and the wing. There is nothing to indicate this on the fuselage mouldings but all the paint schemes also show the window. I have run a thin piece of masking tape across where I think the window will be and hopefully I may be able to drill it out after the decal is placed and shows where the window is situated.

On the other hand there is a window to the stern of the main run of windows in the cabin and this does not appear on any of the versions shown - but the instructions has you add the separate "glass" insert as if it should be there. I have filled it in per the photos I have found online.

I think I will try a trial black priming and see how many defects are still present. After priming I will build up the engine parts, cylinders and nacelles and add them

 

Thanks for looking in, likes and comments

 

Alan

 

 

 

 

[Old Collingwood]

Good  progress  so far  mate,    boy  do  I hate  the  windows  on Airliners  at this  scale   AKA  the  old  70s  Airfix  144 scale  Airliner  kits  -  I built-broke a  few of those in my  time.

 

OC.

[king derelict]

22 hours ago, Old Collingwood said:

Good  progress  so far  mate,    boy  do  I hate  the  windows  on Airliners  at this  scale   AKA  the  old  70s  Airfix  144 scale  Airliner  kits  -  I built-broke a  few of those in my  time.

 

OC.

Thank you OC. Oh yes I remember them well, also the clear plastic frosting with the glue if you got it on the piece. I remember the Airfix Concorde having those strip of window pieces.

Alan

[king derelict]

Well, I'm not sure what happened this morning but this nearly took a short flight into the bin. I think it was the lack of detail parts and the look of the bare plastic daubed in filler. 

 

Anyway after a deep breathe I airbrushed some black Mig One Shot primer on and suddenly it seemed viable again. I found I still needed to add a bit more filler in places so primer will be reapplied tomorrow once the filler has been sanded down.

I'm actually thinking that I quite like the look of the Condor in flight something like it sits on the painting stick. I would use a length of clear acrylic rod and maybe make a base in the shape of Germany with 1939 borders. I'm not sure if this sort of thing is an acceptable presentation. It also leaves an aircraft in flight with stopped props so maybe I should leave the idea for the jet age.

 

 

 

The landing gear is not bad but a bit basic. I spent a lot of time studying photos and video online trying to determine exactly what configuration is accurate.

So far it seems that the two bladed props are accurate and so is the modified window layout. I watched one video suggesting that D-2600 had a gun turret behind the cockpit but so far I haven't seen any photos to confirm it. A clear nose with a gun is also said to be there but again no photos. The kit has the relevant clear parts (as well as the gondola under the fuselage.

If I go for the wheels up option the main gear doors are part of the kit but I am not sure whether the wheel is supposed to protrude through the door or retract fully. Photos seem to suggest that they retract fully. The kit provides nothing for the tail wheel and again photos are vague whether the wheel is covered, retracts or just stays in place. As a trans-Atlantic airliner I would have thought they would have wanted every bit of drag cleaned up but maybe in 1937 it wasn't considered worth it.

So a few things to consider as I clean up for the next paint session.

I saw Roden have a 1/144 B-36. About a 20 inch wingspan even at 1/144!

Thanks for looking in and the likes and comments

 

Alan

 

 

[Canute]

A B-36? The Aluminum Overcast? There's one in Dayton, OH at the AF Museum. There once was a cargo version, the XC-99. It sat parked out in the infield at Kelly AFB, TX. Don't know if it was preserved. Immense aircraft, both of them.

[Jack12477]

I have a completed B36 hanging in my basement, from about 20 years ago. I think the wingspan is 39 inches. Awesome aircraft

[Egilman]

7 hours ago, Jack12477 said:

I have a completed B36 hanging in my basement, from about 20 years ago. I think the wingspan is 39 inches. Awesome aircraft

Yep that Monogram release in 1/72nd scale is a monster, (B-36H, small wheels version) touted as the largest model aircraft available when it was released... (record is currently held by the B-1B lancer in 1/48th)

[Jack12477]

51 minutes ago, Egilman said:

Yep that Monogram release in 1/72nd scale is a monster, (B-36H, small wheels version) touted as the largest model aircraft available when it was released... (record is currently held by the B-1B lancer in 1/48th)

Yes but now some of the decals have dried out and are hanging down in places, some are missing, and it’s covered in dust. 

[Egilman]

2 hours ago, Jack12477 said:

Yes but now some of the decals have dried out and are hanging down in places, some are missing, and it’s covered in dust. 

Time for a re-do?  {chuckle}

[Jack12477]

Just now, Egilman said:

Time for a re-do?  {chuckle}

Hast tho no pity ! {double chuckle}

[king derelict]

On 8/8/2024 at 8:51 AM, Canute said:

A B-36? The Aluminum Overcast? There's one in Dayton, OH at the AF Museum. There once was a cargo version, the XC-99. It sat parked out in the infield at Kelly AFB, TX. Don't know if it was preserved. Immense aircraft, both of them.

Seeing one of them in flight must have been very impressive. An aviation sight up there with watch a thousand bomber raid pass overhead.

I have been to the AF museum at Wright- Patterson but for some reason I don't recall the B-36. I clearly remember Bochscar the B-29 (an appropriate reference for today) and a B-52 (or am I confusing that with the one at EAFB)

Alan

[king derelict]

On 8/8/2024 at 8:58 AM, Jack12477 said:

I have a completed B36 hanging in my basement, from about 20 years ago. I think the wingspan is 39 inches. Awesome aircraft

Thats a phenomenal model. Painting it must have been quite a task. I'm sort of tempted by the 1/144 scale one but the FW200 has me somewhat anti-Roden at the moment😄

Alan

[king derelict]

Not a lot of visible progress going on here. I seem to be stuck in a cycle of add filler, sand back, prime and repeat.

 

I decided to go with the in-flight concept after finally finding that the gear is full enclosed for the main wheels and the tail wheel is partially covered. The main gear covers were a struggle to fit and are the current source of the shaping activity. I'm not sure they were really intended to be closed. 

 

Its a bit heavy for my acrylic rod so I have ordered the next size up which I think will fit.

 

Thanks for looking in

 

Alan

[mtaylor]

5 minutes ago, king derelict said:

Seeing one of them in flight must have been very impressive. An aviation sight up there with watch a thousand bomber raid pass overhead.

I have been to the AF museum at Wright- Patterson but for some reason I don't recall the B-36. I clearly remember Bochscar the B-29 (an appropriate reference for today) and a B-52 (or am I confusing that with the one at EAFB)

Alan

As I recall from 20 years ago, the B-36 was outside.  There was small fuselodge of one inside the museum that you could walk through.   I suppose one of these days, I should make a trip back to my old home town and visit the museum while I'm there.

[Jack12477]

9 minutes ago, king derelict said:

Thats a phenomenal model. Painting it must have been quite a task. I'm sort of tempted by the 1/144 scale one but the FW200 has me somewhat anti-Roden at the moment😄

Alan

It's a silver color. Don't remember if I painted or what.  Probably should take it down from ceiling and clean it up. It hangs next to a 1:48 scale C-130 which is painted in camo with rear door lowered. I also have an unopened 1:48 AC-130 Gunship kit.

[king derelict]

11 minutes ago, mtaylor said:

As I recall from 20 years ago, the B-36 was outside.  There was small fuselodge of one inside the museum that you could walk through.   I suppose one of these days, I should make a trip back to my old home town and visit the museum while I'm there.

Thanks Mark

That would make sense - I don't think i got round to the outside displays. There was just so much stuff inside. Great museum.

Alan

[king derelict]

5 minutes ago, Jack12477 said:

It's a silver color. Don't remember if I painted or what.  Probably should take it down from ceiling and clean it up. It hangs next to a 1:48 scale C-130 which is painted in camo with rear door lowered. I also have an unopened 1:48 AC-130 Gunship kit.

A 1/48 C-130 must be a huge model too

[mtaylor]

19 minutes ago, king derelict said:

Thanks Mark

That would make sense - I don't think i got round to the outside displays. There was just so much stuff inside. Great museum.

Alan

It still us great and even bigger and better from what I've heard from family.   You'll definitely need more than a day to see all of it. And it's still growing.

[king derelict]

4 minutes ago, mtaylor said:

It still us great and even bigger and better from what I've heard from family.   You'll definitely need more than a day to see all of it. And it's still growing.

It was always the consolation for supporting testing out at the GE test site at Peebles OH. At weekends I would head over to Dayton and spend the day at the museum. Its an amazing place. 

Alan

[Jack12477]

22 minutes ago, king derelict said:

A 1/48 C-130 must be a huge model too

Here it is along side the B36, B17 and F4.  Please excuse all the dust, it's been hanging for decades. I have no other space to display them.

 

[king derelict]

They still look good up there. There is never enough display space! I love the large models but I have nowhere to put them. The 1/48 Flower class corvette is hogging most of it all on its own.

Alan