Vivian Galad Posted March 11, 2014 Share #151 Posted March 11, 2014 Well, u can blacken it with some painting - I don´t know chemical methods to do it, but acids usualy blacken tin. I´m using in thread, for soldering - as tin is very flexible, u can flat it to a foil and cut it. U can also melt it, as it´s melting point is low and easily done. I´ve found tin in bars, too, for soldering and craftwork. My point is that it´s an easy metal to work and you can bend it all the way. Quote Current: Red Dragon (modified) by Vivian Galad - Artesania Latina - 1:60 Oseberg (modified) by Vivian Galad - Amati (1:50)Cocca Veneta by Vivian Galad - Corel - 1:70 Finished 15th Century Latin Caravel kit model from Artimanha models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share #152 Posted March 19, 2014 Update on the mast fish reconstruction. I am still trying to replicate the historical museums reconstruction of the mast fish and surrounding areas, i´m beginning to doubt the sanity in this approach. It do look a little bit weird... The "bump" looks too high, it was probably smaller on the original, also the shape of the wings holding the bump deck parts was negative on the original. But on the models in the historical museum and sea historical museum in sweden the wings was positive. I followed this approach because i could not envision it in my head how i would fit the deck parts... I assume the model builders had the same problem... I would appreciate feedback on this. CiscoH, WackoWolf, md1400cs and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share #153 Posted March 19, 2014 This is how it looks on the historical museum vs original in norway, notice the shape of the "wings", positive on the model but negative on the original. hexnut, Aussie048, Salty Sea Dog and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted April 4, 2014 Share #154 Posted April 4, 2014 Sorry for jumping into that topic, but if somebody wants a latest generation kit with a proper shields - I decided to sell mine: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=6268 Von Kossa, sorry again, if you want, I will remove that message. Just posted it here because there is a nice group people interested in Oseberg model here Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted May 4, 2014 Author Share #155 Posted May 4, 2014 Update. Finished the deck... For now at least. Jack Panzeca, Yambo, Vivian Galad and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivian Galad Posted May 5, 2014 Share #156 Posted May 5, 2014 Superb work on deck. Neat to say the least. Quote Current: Red Dragon (modified) by Vivian Galad - Artesania Latina - 1:60 Oseberg (modified) by Vivian Galad - Amati (1:50)Cocca Veneta by Vivian Galad - Corel - 1:70 Finished 15th Century Latin Caravel kit model from Artimanha models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share #157 Posted May 5, 2014 Superb work on deck. Neat to say the least. Thank you Vivian and all of you who "liked" my post. Means a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share #158 Posted May 5, 2014 I forgot... I also like to thank Jack Panzeca who sent me his deck parts, without you i could not have finished the deck. Aussie048 and Vivian Galad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Panzeca Posted May 6, 2014 Share #159 Posted May 6, 2014 I love the way the deck finished up. I really like the pattern at the bow, stern and the mast foot. Keep it up, I need the guidance. I also like to thank Jack Panzeca who sent me his deck parts, without you i could not have finished the deck. You are very welcome, I am glad that I could help. You certainly made good use of the wood. Quote Jack "I Love the smell of sawdust in the morning" apologies to John Melius Current Build: Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section Scratch Build Previous Builds: Oseberg Billing Boats 9th Century Viking Ship Modified Bluenose ll, AL, Lightly Bashed Louisa Morrison Half Hull, Scratch Build Photography Website: http://www.27birds.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted May 7, 2014 Author Share #160 Posted May 7, 2014 I love the way the deck finished up. I really like the pattern at the bow, stern and the mast foot. Keep it up, I need the guidance. You are very welcome, I am glad that I could help. You certainly made good use of the wood. Something strange i noticed with your parts is that they are all slightly brighter than mine, that forced me to rebuild entire sections because it looked really odd. I wonder if the staining will even it out, so they look the same as the rest, do you have any knowledge of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Panzeca Posted May 11, 2014 Share #161 Posted May 11, 2014 Wood often differs in color when cut from different lots. I studied your deck pictures and the most I could see was a very slight difference. The stain should certainly even out the difference. Are you planning to use a dark stain like the actual ship? That would certainly do the trick. If you have a little of each batch of wood you can put them side by side and stain them with both a medium oak and a dark walnut and get an idea of how they would look together. Quote Jack "I Love the smell of sawdust in the morning" apologies to John Melius Current Build: Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section Scratch Build Previous Builds: Oseberg Billing Boats 9th Century Viking Ship Modified Bluenose ll, AL, Lightly Bashed Louisa Morrison Half Hull, Scratch Build Photography Website: http://www.27birds.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share #162 Posted May 12, 2014 Wood often differs in color when cut from different lots. I studied your deck pictures and the most I could see was a very slight difference. The stain should certainly even out the difference. Are you planning to use a dark stain like the actual ship? That would certainly do the trick. If you have a little of each batch of wood you can put them side by side and stain them with both a medium oak and a dark walnut and get an idea of how they would look together. This is a test piece i made with 3 layers of the same stain. I´m thinking about the one in the middle, two layers. Vivian Galad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share #163 Posted May 13, 2014 Scroll work... mtaylor, cristikc, Vivian Galad and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted May 13, 2014 Share #164 Posted May 13, 2014 Hi von Kossa, I just had a look into your viking boat... It Looks fantastic eapecially in Details like sail, clinker planking, bow decoration, all Framework, bow decoration, rudder, mastfoot, and , and.. It is amazing how much love and authentic Fitting out you are putting on top of what the kit provides, a real Little treasure, love it.. Nils Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share #165 Posted May 14, 2014 Hi von Kossa, I just had a look into your viking boat... It Looks fantastic eapecially in Details like sail, clinker planking, bow decoration, all Framework, bow decoration, rudder, mastfoot, and , and.. It is amazing how much love and authentic Fitting out you are putting on top of what the kit provides, a real Little treasure, love it.. Nils Thank you very much Nils. After watching your own builds i can only say that i stand in the shadows of a true master. Most impressive. Mirabell61 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share #166 Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) More experimentation, adding these pictures mostly for myself for now. Need to be able to access these from the internet. Edited June 4, 2014 by Von_Kossa WackoWolf, yvesvidal, cristikc and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Panzeca Posted June 4, 2014 Share #167 Posted June 4, 2014 My photography mentor used to say that the nicest thing that you could say about another photographer is "you are killing me". Well, your planking is killing me. Very nice. Aussie048 1 Quote Jack "I Love the smell of sawdust in the morning" apologies to John Melius Current Build: Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section Scratch Build Previous Builds: Oseberg Billing Boats 9th Century Viking Ship Modified Bluenose ll, AL, Lightly Bashed Louisa Morrison Half Hull, Scratch Build Photography Website: http://www.27birds.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share #168 Posted June 4, 2014 My photography mentor used to say that the nicest thing that you could say about another photographer is "you are killing me". Well, your planking is killing me. Very nice. Hehe sounds like you are having real fun with the planking. You are not forgetting to look real close on the interesting mast fish construction and it's planking while you are at it, are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Panzeca Posted June 5, 2014 Share #169 Posted June 5, 2014 Hehe sounds like you are having real fun with the planking. You are not forgetting to look real close on the interesting mast fish construction and it's planking while you are at it, are you? I have been looking closely and it scares me to death. I plan to do all of the flat parts first and when I can't avoid the area around the mast I will force myself to do it. Yours is beautiful and I look at it frequently to get ideas on how to proceed. I am happy that your build is ahead of mine. Thanks for the encouragement. Quote Jack "I Love the smell of sawdust in the morning" apologies to John Melius Current Build: Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section Scratch Build Previous Builds: Oseberg Billing Boats 9th Century Viking Ship Modified Bluenose ll, AL, Lightly Bashed Louisa Morrison Half Hull, Scratch Build Photography Website: http://www.27birds.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nenseth Posted June 5, 2014 Share #170 Posted June 5, 2014 I´m currently also building Oseberg and thought you might find these links to pages about the reconstructed ship interesting. They are mostly in norwegian, but they got some good pictures of the ship and its construction https://www.facebook.com/osebergvikingskip http://sagaoseberg.no/ http://www.osebergvikingskip.no/index.php Quote -Hans Christian Current build -La Belle 1684 (Scracth build) -Oseberg (Billing Boats) (On hold) -Falmouth (Euromodel) (On hold) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share #171 Posted June 7, 2014 First work with the hole in the front. Feels like i am completely destroying the boat. Children, do not try this at home! WackoWolf, Vivian Galad, Aussie048 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Panzeca Posted June 7, 2014 Share #172 Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) Now you have REALLY given me something to think about !!! How did you cut the inside portion of the frame? Another thought: how did the Vikings keep water out of this hole on the open sea? Edited June 7, 2014 by Jack Panzeca Quote Jack "I Love the smell of sawdust in the morning" apologies to John Melius Current Build: Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section Scratch Build Previous Builds: Oseberg Billing Boats 9th Century Viking Ship Modified Bluenose ll, AL, Lightly Bashed Louisa Morrison Half Hull, Scratch Build Photography Website: http://www.27birds.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share #173 Posted June 8, 2014 Now you have REALLY given me something to think about !!! How did you cut the inside portion of the frame? Another thought: how did the Vikings keep water out of this hole on the open sea? That was the tricky part, first i tried to drill down into the plywood from the top, did not work very well. Then i. Took the. Razor and grinded the plywood to pieces.finally i used sandpaper and a funny looking razor which is shaped like the ones you clean windows with but much thinner. The. Vikings? The floor tiles are loose on the real ship, propably used the space for storage, but it should also be easy to scope out the water if you have access to the lower compartment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share #174 Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) Regarding nails.Looked into the distance between the nails on the oseberg, besides being very chaotic in placement, the type varies between square rivets or nails with rounded heads, i guess they took what they had when it was built.There exists threads and loose information about the scale 1:1 ship has a ~20 cm space between the nails. If it is correct it would make the spacing in the BB kit to 8 mm between the nails assusming you have the correct scale on the nails. I tried to make out the spacing by comparing this picture with the model. In this case it would make the spacing 13 mm. But then i discovered that this only seems to be true with the rail (the two upper plank rows). Study this picture and you can see that the spacing is smaller on the other rows. To conclude this ranting i think i will be doing the following if i decide to join the nail circus: 1. Make the spacing on the two rail rows 12 mm. 2. Make the spacing on the the rest of the ship 10 mm like Jack Panzeca. Edited August 20, 2014 by Von_Kossa mtaylor, Jack Panzeca and Aussie048 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share #175 Posted August 21, 2014 This is a reminder mostly for myself. After some non sciencetifically measuring i think that the nail head size diameter in 1:1 is ~25 mm. That would make the head size around 1 mm in size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivian Galad Posted August 21, 2014 Share #176 Posted August 21, 2014 That will give u a lot of work! Jack Panzeca 1 Quote Current: Red Dragon (modified) by Vivian Galad - Artesania Latina - 1:60 Oseberg (modified) by Vivian Galad - Amati (1:50)Cocca Veneta by Vivian Galad - Corel - 1:70 Finished 15th Century Latin Caravel kit model from Artimanha models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share #177 Posted August 22, 2014 Yes probably. The amount of nails will be the same as Jack but if i want the nails in correct scale i will have to make them myself, and that will take some time. If i can figure out how to make them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Panzeca Posted August 22, 2014 Share #178 Posted August 22, 2014 Hi Von_Kossa, I tried to make them myself using the technique that Alexi Domanoff, a MSW sponsor, posted on Utube. Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIiI9BrdE3o. I was not very successful and finally abandoned the attempt. I was not able to get a consistent size head. Take a look and give it a try you may master it better than I did. Quote Jack "I Love the smell of sawdust in the morning" apologies to John Melius Current Build: Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section Scratch Build Previous Builds: Oseberg Billing Boats 9th Century Viking Ship Modified Bluenose ll, AL, Lightly Bashed Louisa Morrison Half Hull, Scratch Build Photography Website: http://www.27birds.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted August 23, 2014 Author Share #179 Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) Hi Von_Kossa, I tried to make them myself using the technique that Alexi Domanoff, a MSW sponsor, posted on Utube. Here is the link: . I was not very successful and finally abandoned the attempt. I was not able to get a consistent size head. Take a look and give it a try you may master it better than I did. But is this really a problem? The nail types and sizes on the oseberg are really varied sizes. Oh well, i will find out, I guess. I am having a big problem constructing or finding a wide angle knife, how did you solve this? Edited August 23, 2014 by Von_Kossa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von_Kossa Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share #180 Posted September 3, 2014 Update, finally finished with the "holes". Salty Sea Dog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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