Patrick Haw Posted July 26, 2013 Share #151 Posted July 26, 2013 Happy Birthday David! Your figurehead looks really good. Now it's time to get out the rigging thread! Patrick Shipyard sid 1 Quote Previous build HMS Victory by Patrick Haw - Caldercraft - Scale: 1/72 Current build HMS Enterprise by Patrick Haw - CAF - Scale 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted July 26, 2013 Share #152 Posted July 26, 2013 Happy Birthday David - I hope you received lots of model building presents! Shipyard sid 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort stoll Posted July 27, 2013 Share #153 Posted July 27, 2013 Happy Birthday. Have a wonderful day. Mort Quote Current Build - Caldercraft Victory Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William Waiting to be Launched - Bluejacket Constitution Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted July 27, 2013 Author Share #154 Posted July 27, 2013 (edited) Greetings all Well I have completed the fitting of all the blocks on all three masts, and spend quite a while checking for any blockages in the holes on all blocks and deadeyes , and did have to clear a few, I also had to replace one of the deadeyes which I damaged when clearing the hole that was blocked. There are a few cleats to fit on the base of the main mast and mizzen. The last thing I did was fit all three hand rails.so as far as I can see the masts are ready to fit in place. The bowsprit can be fitted now, but I am a bit wary about it, and have broken it twice now, by having it in place when there no need at all for it to be there. The rigging of the bowsprit looks a bit daunting to me, as I have said I am now in no mans land, I did note that grant and Gil mid started with the bowsprit first. The manual says the tackle pendants are first, followed by the lower mast shrouds. I have just bought a book on rigging by lennarth Peterson who refers to the tackle pendants as burton pendants whereas the jotika manual refers to them as tackle pendants and only the mizzen mast having burton pendants, so the novice is confused immediately. Any way I think I will start with the pendants ( tackle or burton ) the picture will do, then the lower shrouds which are pretty well detailed, ( he says hopefully). And with a bit of luck I should cotton on to things (get it !!) ......all advice no matter what is most welcome during this work,just stop me if I go, sorry when I go wrong.. You never know this could be enjoyable. Who am I trying to fool !!! I shall now disappear never to be seen again. Wish I'd built a yacht. By the way if you are building this ship you need a lazy Susan, it gets very heavy and cumbersome with the masts in place and you need to rotate it during the rigging. There is a photo of one one my last photo. Wish me luck chaps, it was nice knowing you all DAVID Edited July 28, 2013 by Shipyard sid dafi and ModelBoatMaker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 27, 2013 Share #155 Posted July 27, 2013 i will be following you as always - Gils build is a good example to follow, Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 27, 2013 Share #156 Posted July 27, 2013 sorry - i missed yr birthday Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted July 28, 2013 Share #157 Posted July 28, 2013 Hi David, Nice work so far. Your are entering a very interesting part of the build. Do you have a copy of Longridge? I have found this to be an almost indispensable aid for the rigging. If you don't have it, you could do far worse than to follow Gil's log as Kevin has suggested. To answer your question, according to Longridge Burton Pendants and Pendants of Tackles are one and the same thing (and Antscherl says the same thing in TFFM). Two pairs were put over the lower mast head and one pair over the top masthead. The starboard pair was put on first. The mizzen lower pendant was single and there was no mizzen top mast pendant. (from Longridge, pg 228). If you need dimensions, let me know and I'll dig out the detail from Longridge for you. Just think, it won't be long now and you get to do the Ratlines!!!!! Now would also be a good time to think about whether you want to stick with the kit provided blocks and rigging line, or to upgrade to some "Chucky Blocks" and line from Syren. I've just ordered some line to do the Running Rigging (too late for the Standing Rigging), and I'm making my own blocks now following Chuck's method. One final tip. If you do go with a Lazy Susan, be VERY careful turning it once you get the bowsprit in! Don't ask me how I know.... Good luck with this very interesting, but SLOW part of the build. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share #158 Posted July 29, 2013 Thanks everybody Grant. I do have longbridges anatomy of Nelson's ships plus lennarth peterssons book on rigging, so I am off and running with the rigging, alas not quite as I have found two of my dead eyes on one of the channels out of position, they only need switching around. I will start with the pendants as I said earlier, and report in when they are fitted. Thanks a lot for your advice. DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted July 29, 2013 Share #159 Posted July 29, 2013 Hi David All looks very smart - good luck with the rigging. I'm looking forward to seeing how you get on. Cheers Yon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share #160 Posted July 29, 2013 Hello yon Thanks a lot yon , I think I am going to need a bit of luck at times. I know there will always be help to hand should I need it on MSW. I have already been given advice from grant, and as I say will need it. At this time my aim is to fit the tackle/burton pendants ( hangy. down things ) to be technical, this is on page 12 of your masts and rigging manual. And then fit all the shrouds. And so that is my plan for the next few weeks or however long. That is as far ahead as I have looked. Anyway it's good to see you back, were on earth have you been!!?? Be good and enjoy your build DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted July 29, 2013 Share #161 Posted July 29, 2013 I'll be following you all the way I've been buried deep in chainplates and port lids. As you know its quite repetitive work so not much progress to post by way of updates ! Cheers Yon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share #162 Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) Hello again Yon Keep it going. I know what you mean, the photos become repetitive The photos all become a much of a muchness as I say. Ok your excuse is accepted and we will let you off this time. Plod on DAVID Edited July 29, 2013 by Shipyard sid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share #163 Posted July 30, 2013 Greetings all Well I have still not started on my rigging. I would like to use bullseyes on the pendants. I am not sure if that is the correct term for them, but that is what Gil Middleton calls them. I don't like the idea of just having a plain cotton loop, it does not very good at all. I cannot track them down anywhere. I have tried Cornwall model boats and a few others but alas no joy. Does anybody know we're I might get hold of them. Thanks a lot DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted July 30, 2013 Share #164 Posted July 30, 2013 David if by Bullseyes you mean thimbles(?), these are easily made by cutting a small piece of brass (or copper) tube and either painting it black or chemically blackening it. That's what I did anyway. davyboy 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share #165 Posted July 30, 2013 Grant . I think I have just the thing, so into the shed tomorrow !!! Thanks a lot DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocean clipper Posted August 1, 2013 Share #166 Posted August 1, 2013 Hello David you have overtook me now,i have done practically nothing of late,weather been to nice to sit indoors,amongs other things,i have been looking at the other victory builds ,once all the Vic builds where as one as to put it every one past comment on them all,appears to have split up into clicks for some reason such is life i quess.Keep up the good work DEREK Quote current build HMS Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted August 8, 2013 Share #167 Posted August 8, 2013 Hi David.. Your masts look so good. I can't wait to get the stage that you're at. Looks like you really know what you're doing and I'm happy to know you and be one of your friends. The best of luck to you. Jerry Quote Cutty Sark - Billings- Scale:1:64 HMS Victory - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1951-hms-victory-by-jerry-finished-caldercraft-scale-172-1805-version-wood/ HMS Bounty - Amati - Scale 1:60 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/10200-hms-bounty-by-jerrys-admiral-finished-amati-scale-160/&hl= hms bounty jerry#39;s admiral Viking Ship - Amati- Scale - 1:60 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/10415-viking-ship-drakkar-by-jerry-finished-amati-scale-150/ Half Moon - Corel - Scale 1:50 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/9065-half-moon-by-jerry-finished-corel-scale-150/&hl=%2Bhalf%2B%2Bmoon%2B%2Bcorel%2B%2Bjerry Bluenose- Model Shipways - Scale: 1:64 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/13649-bluenose-by-jerry-model-shipways-scale-164/&hl=bluenose La Nina - Artesania Latina - Scale 1:65 COMPLETED...7-8-2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 28, 2013 Share #168 Posted August 28, 2013 it has been to quiet without yourself and Derek posting, you ok? Lologaditano 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share #169 Posted August 28, 2013 Hello Kevin Yep ok still putting shrouds on. Just the mizzen to do, then not sure as things start to get a bit complicated will post in a few days hope all is going well . Cheers DAVID Kevin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share #170 Posted September 8, 2013 Greetings all Well here we go again. The first part of my rigging phase. All the lower shrouds are fitted after a disastrous start. I had to chop all twenty two of the fore mast shrouds off after they got tangled up. I could not be chewed to untangle them, so I just ordered new dead eyes and needed some 1.3mm thread as there is very little surplus . I did not know about using bees wax until I spotted it on utube, and it makes things a lot easier. So the lower shrouds are done and the futtock staves are fitted plus the futtock shrouds on the port side. This is a pretty awkward job as you have to tie eleven shrouds to the stave, and then the catcher-pins to the same stave, and finally the six futtock shrouds making twenty one fixings to the stave. I found it impossible to do a decent job on these. Just a point, jotika tell you there are six catherpins on both the foremast and main mast. Longbridges anatomy of nelsons ships tells you there are four on each (page 230). So I only fitted four. While I was waiting for my order from CMB I made up the four davits for the port and starboard. I just used styrene for the treads to simplify things. The davits are seventeen feet long which at 1/72 scale is 72mm. There is a drawing of them in the rigging manual which shows them longer, so if my Maths are wrong or for some reason they need to be longer it will be easy to sort. Anyway that's my lot for now. I am off to finish the foremast. I will get the top mast shrouds fitted and complete the ratlines. So as I said, that's my lot for now. Catch you all at the main mast. Thanks a lot everyone. Here's some photos DAVID dafi, mort stoll, canoe21 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted September 8, 2013 Share #171 Posted September 8, 2013 she is really taking shape now, lol you will be finished by Christmas, well done Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Haw Posted September 14, 2013 Share #172 Posted September 14, 2013 Lovely work on your shrouds David. Glad to know I'm not the only one taking things off and re-doing them! The futtock shrouds on the foremast look really good...difficult to do without pulling the other shrouds out of line, but you've done them perfectly. Love the look of the masts with shrounds on them, it gives the model some "depth"...no longer a hull with sticks! Patrick Shipyard sid and WackoWolf 2 Quote Previous build HMS Victory by Patrick Haw - Caldercraft - Scale: 1/72 Current build HMS Enterprise by Patrick Haw - CAF - Scale 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted September 15, 2013 Share #173 Posted September 15, 2013 Nice work on the shrouds David, and well done for having the courage to take them off and re-do them. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted September 19, 2013 Author Share #174 Posted September 19, 2013 Greetings all Thanks a lot for all your comments. Well this rigging lark is going to take a long time, in fact a very long time. I have been working on the foremast only since my last visit, and intend to complete all the ratlines before moving on to the main mast. The port side ratlines are finished , and I will finish the starboard ratlines by Saturday. Like I said this is going to be a long job and will take a good month or more to complete all three. Anyway I am pretty happy with my progress, so here's a few photos for you. I am of to do some clove hitches.,DAVID mort stoll, Kevin, dafi and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZyXuz Posted September 20, 2013 Share #175 Posted September 20, 2013 Impressive ratlines!!! really neat and clean! Quote Visit My Blog! http://malaysiamodelship.blogspot.com/ Previous Build: HMS Race Horse (Sergal) Current Build: HMS Unicorn (Corel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocean clipper Posted September 20, 2013 Share #176 Posted September 20, 2013 David nice photos (right way up to) i agree on time its going to take murder on the eyes also,hmm quess i better post now DEREK Quote current build HMS Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share #177 Posted September 22, 2013 Greetings all Thanks to you all for your viewing and all your comments. Well at last I can say goodbye to the foremast for a while. There are approximately 1,060 clove hitches and my spacings should have been closer, so in theory there should be more. I now intend to start the ratlines on the main mast and there are quite a few more knots than on the fore masts. So these are the last few photos of the foremast... Much of a muchness again. Ok away I go , tweezers, thread and music in the background. So I will catch you all again when I get the lower ratlines on the main mast done.........have a nice Xmas everybody. Thanks a lot DAVID dafi, Kevin and canoe21 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yon Posted September 23, 2013 Share #178 Posted September 23, 2013 Hi David Very impressive. The pictures illustrate very well how much work you have put in - well done ! All the best Yon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share #179 Posted September 23, 2013 Hello yon Thanks a lot, and welcome back. Hope you have had a cracking summer. I look forward to you posting. Regards DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Haw Posted September 23, 2013 Share #180 Posted September 23, 2013 Very, very nicely done David. It looks very clean, very sharp. Well done! Patrick Quote Previous build HMS Victory by Patrick Haw - Caldercraft - Scale: 1/72 Current build HMS Enterprise by Patrick Haw - CAF - Scale 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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