jiljilia Posted April 16, 2014 #1 Posted April 16, 2014 Could someone tell me the best way to place rope edging around the edge of sails. I really have know idea on how that is achieved as the plans of the Amati Arrow call for this edging. Thanks Mirabell61 1 Quote
druxey Posted April 16, 2014 #2 Posted April 16, 2014 In real life this is sewn on. However, i doubt if you'd want to go to the trouble on a model sail. The bolt rope can be carefully glued along the perimeter of the sail using white glue. This will dry clear. Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
jiljilia Posted April 17, 2014 Author #3 Posted April 17, 2014 Thanks. I kinda thought that but wasn't sure if white glue was the glue to use. Quote
mtaylor Posted April 17, 2014 #4 Posted April 17, 2014 Or, you can use fabric glue. Both seem to work. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
newbuilder101 Posted April 17, 2014 #5 Posted April 17, 2014 Fabric glue will dry with more flexibility, but both will work. Quote Sherry Every goodbye is the birth of a memory... Current Build: San Felipe Finished Builds: Mayflower Build Log Gallery: Mayflower
petervisser Posted April 17, 2014 #6 Posted April 17, 2014 On the other hand, if you like to sew, here is what I did which turned out nice. A simple round stitch along the edges of the sail holds the bolt rope in place. Very theraputic... Peter Mirabell61, AntonyUK, jwvolz and 4 others 7 Quote Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor!
newbuilder101 Posted April 17, 2014 #7 Posted April 17, 2014 I did the same as Peter on my Mayflower, but I used a small amount of fabric glue to attach the "rope" first and hold it in place while I stitched. tasmanian, jwvolz, Mirabell61 and 1 other 4 Quote Sherry Every goodbye is the birth of a memory... Current Build: San Felipe Finished Builds: Mayflower Build Log Gallery: Mayflower
Mirabell61 Posted April 17, 2014 #8 Posted April 17, 2014 Could someone tell me the best way to place rope edging around the edge of sails. I really have know idea on how that is achieved as the plans of the Amati Arrow call for this edging. Thanks Hi jiljilia, here is a Version which is complete machine-sewn, also the bolt rope to the edge.. I boroughed my wife`s sewing machine Nils jwvolz, ulrich, Angarfather and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
jiljilia Posted April 18, 2014 Author #9 Posted April 18, 2014 Thanks for all the great ideas. This helps greatly. Mirabell61, newbuilder101 and HIPEXEC 3 Quote
Tadeusz43 Posted April 20, 2014 #10 Posted April 20, 2014 This is my way for sailmaking: http://www.shipsofscale.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=427 Tadeusz My models:From kitsVasa, HMS Victory, Le Solei Royale, FrieslandFrom scratchHMS Warrior 1860,Esplanade,Grosse YachtNorman’s ship,HMS Speedy,La RoyalePeter von DanzigPolacca XVII cent.Current project:SS Savannah 1818 newbuilder101 and Mirabell61 2 Quote
Mirabell61 Posted April 20, 2014 #11 Posted April 20, 2014 nice sail making Tadeusz43, thanks for sharing.. Nils Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
JerseyCity Frankie Posted April 20, 2014 #12 Posted April 20, 2014 (edited) I would caution that actual sail twine used to sew on a bolt rope is not nearly as thick as even the finest of sewing threads would appear in scale. Modern sail twine is just a bit thicker than dental floss and although I imagine it was considerably thicker "in the old days" before nylon, it could not be sewn through any fabric if it was as thick as even the thinest rope. Having said that, I do like the way an actual sewn seam or line of stitching puckers the fabric a little, it tend to impart a texture to the fabric that adds to the organic look of a sail, even if these puckers themselves are out of scale. Edited April 20, 2014 by JerseyCity Frankie captainbob 1 Quote Quote Niagara USS Constitution
jud Posted April 20, 2014 #13 Posted April 20, 2014 (edited) Does anyone apply any product like Scotch Guard to their sails before attaching them to their model, to protect them from airborne dust.and also making them easier to clean. jud Edited April 20, 2014 by jud Quote
jiljilia Posted April 20, 2014 Author #14 Posted April 20, 2014 Tadeusz43 I like the step by step on the sails as the rope edging is exposed and that's how I have to do my sails. Thanks. Petervisser... the therapeutic lessons are coming I'm sure and sometimes my patience does were thin and sewing a thread around a rope will, I'm sure increase patience. Sherry, thank you for your ideas for gluing as I did go out and buy myself a tube of speed-sew. Mirabell61... I copied your plans for my files as there are ideas that I like in what you do with sails. Thanks to everyone as the time to do my sails is drawing nigh. Mirabell61 1 Quote
Snow Posted September 5, 2017 #15 Posted September 5, 2017 Hi snowy here i like that idea could someone show me how to make the sails from scratch mtaylor 1 Quote
JerryTodd Posted September 5, 2017 #16 Posted September 5, 2017 http://todd.mainecav.org/model/sail-making/ mtaylor 1 Quote Jerry Todd Click to go to that build log Constellation ~ RC sloop of war c.1856 in 1:36 scale Macedonian ~ RC British frigate c.1812 in 1:36 scale Pride of Baltimore ~ RC Baltimore Clipper c.1981 in 1:20 scale Gazela Primeiro ~ RC Barkentine c.1979 in 1:36 scale Naval Guns 1850s~1870s ~ 3D Modeling & Printing My Web Site My Thingiverse stuff
druxey Posted September 5, 2017 #17 Posted September 5, 2017 For yet another approach, see the topic under 'Reviews': Swan IV, Sailmaking Supplement. mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
JerseyCity Frankie Posted September 5, 2017 #18 Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) Gluing the boltrope onto the sail COMPLETELY AVOIDS out of scale thread and out of scale stitching. I honestly can't think of any good reason to sew the boltrope onto a model sail other than if one is slavishly sticking to real world practice out of a sense of litteral interpretation. But even then the sailtwine passes through not around the boltrope. Edited September 5, 2017 by JerseyCity Frankie Gregory and mtaylor 2 Quote Quote Niagara USS Constitution
JerryTodd Posted September 6, 2017 #19 Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Sewn, glued, or soldiered, the boltrope does not attach the the knife edge of the cloth. Edited September 6, 2017 by GeraldTodd mtaylor 1 Quote Jerry Todd Click to go to that build log Constellation ~ RC sloop of war c.1856 in 1:36 scale Macedonian ~ RC British frigate c.1812 in 1:36 scale Pride of Baltimore ~ RC Baltimore Clipper c.1981 in 1:20 scale Gazela Primeiro ~ RC Barkentine c.1979 in 1:36 scale Naval Guns 1850s~1870s ~ 3D Modeling & Printing My Web Site My Thingiverse stuff
Snow Posted September 8, 2017 #20 Posted September 8, 2017 Thanks guys i like this I'm building the amati adventure pirate ship I'm about to start furnishing the deck thanks again mtaylor 1 Quote
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