Triton by Pete38 - 1:48 - cross-section

[Pete38]

Went back to the limber boards today and I think I have worked me a solution that I am satisfied with,

Instead of making separate boards for each section will make one long and simulate the seem in between each board. Less chance of loosing them  

 

Here is what I did 

Layed out he 3 foot sections (1 1/8" scale) and drilled 3/16" holes

 

 

marked each seem with the knife blade by scoring along the lines

 

 

Darkened the seem with a pencel

 

 

Then sanded down the boards and this is what I ended up with

 

 

 

 

 

This will suit me for now, unless I change my mind later on....will be easy enough to make new ones....

[Pete38]

Also, quickly made me some more planking clamps...the first ones were to bi using the 1/4 x 20 inch bolts...would not fit between some of the frames..

So used some 6/32 screws and made these....

 

 

[Pete38]

I have another question for you...Thinking ahead on stain and or finish was wondering what your opinions were on these samples...

 

These are all minwax stains and finishes and sitting on cherry with the Satin wipe on poly

 

From left to right

1. Natural

2. Golden Oak

3. Colonial Maple

4. Golden Pecan

5. Satin wipe on poly

 

 

 

Just courious to what you all think.....Thanks

[Rustyj]

Hi Pete, the limber boards look good. If you hadn't fessed up I wouldn't have known.

As far as the finish goes I'm a natural kinda guy.

[Long9Ron]

Hi Pete

I like your clamps. I with Rusty, I like the Natural look also. Nice job on the limber boards too.

[42rocker]

Also like the clamps and I think that you should try another sample piece. Several of the test look blurred and a second run might look better.

 

Later 42rocker

[Matrim]

For me natural and possibly Colonial Maple though Golden Oak is an auto-disqualifiy if it 'patterns' like that when used..

 

Joss

[Paddy]

I go along with Joss on the stain choice.

 

Those clamps look handy. Thats something I need to start thinking about.

Edited May 27, 2013 by Paddy

[Pete38]

Thanks for looking in everyone and the nice words..

 

Have to agree with the majority here....I like the natural look also......may try one other....50/50 mix of natural and golden pecan..just to see how it looks will post picture later when done.

Edited May 27, 2013 by Pete38

[Boccherini]

Your new limber boards look good and the clamps are nicely done. Bit easier to use than the bent bits of wire and wedges I employed. Did you use end grain timber for the stain samples?

 

Regards,

Grant.

[Pete38]

Thanks Grant.... No..that was not end grain...it was straight from the saw and had not sanded it...that may be why it was "blothie" in places and did not stain evenly...

[Pete38]

Did not think it was this long since I posted in my log....need to keep it up better 

 

Not a whole lot done but still at least moving forward...

 

Finished up a section of the inside planking...still need to trim and a little sanding

 

 

 

 

Once the trimming and sanding are done plan to install the treenails...

 

I am either going to use the bamboo or cherry for the nails

 

Bamboo on the right and cherry next to it

 

 

Leaning toward the cherry....will take some extra time...is not a forgiving when pulling through the drawplate...have to pay closer attention

 

Thats all for now...hope to post more frequently with updates...

[russ]

Pete:

I am a bamboo fan when it comes to treenails. That said, go with what you think is the best material for your model.

 

The ceiling planking looks very good so far. Nice work there.

 

Russ

[Rustyj]

Hi Pete,

 

The planking looks very nice.   As you said  "the cherry....will take some extra time...is not a forgiving

when pulling through the drawplate" I never had much luck pulling it so I hope it goes better for you.

[Paddy]

Looking good Pete. On the treenails I can't offer any suggestions since I have just finally learned how to pull bamboo.

With what I'm reading if you decide to go with the cherry wishing you no problems. Does look good in your sample. 

[42rocker]

Good Luck with the Cherry Treenails.

 

Later 42rocker

[Pete38]

Small update...with summer not much time to work on the cross section.....just a little at a time

Since I decided to go with cherry for the treenail.....don't know if this was a good idea or a really stupid one 

Got down to making me some

 

First I had to make a zero clearance insert for my saw...did not have any aluminium or plastic so I used cherry

 

 

ripped some cherry strips down to about .040  square

 

 

 

Then started pulling them through my draw plate. Taking them down to about .023 in size. This is smaller in scale than it should be at 1:32 but with them

be so much darker than the maple the will not look like the section has a bad case of the measles....I hope 

 

 

So now it is time to set back turn on the music and PULL for awhile

[Paddy]

It will be interesting to see how it goes Pete. Thank for posting this.

[russ]

I think the treenails look good. Very good job drawing them down.

 

I also use a wood insert for my table saw. I used some scrap birch.

 

Russ

[hopeful]

HI Pete,

 

Like your zero clearance insert. Is the cherry staying flat for you. What blade are you using? Looks like you are putting your table saw to good use. Oh, how is the cherry pulling though the plate?

 

Cheers,

Hopeful aka David

[Pete38]

Sorry that I have not responded to your post. With summer here been hard to find time for the build.

 

Paddy..Russ  thanks for the comments

 

David the cherry is stay flat with no problems...so far.  The Cherry is a real @#&*# to pull...but I am getting there.

Cherry is what I started with and will stay with it, even though it is hard to pull and get any treenails out of...I like the look

 

 Using the .030 kerf blade in the saw to rip the cherry strips to pull

 

 

[Pete38]

Here is a few pictures of my meager progress for the month...Hopefully will have more time here soon to devote to the build.

 

Using an old marking gauge I found in my pile of junk to lay out the line for the treenails. Originaly had a metal point to scratch the line but remove it drill the hole bigger

and is using a pencil. Seems to work rather well.

 

After marking use a sharp point to mark the hole locations so the bit will not wander.

 

I found the cutting the treenails into short lengths instead of using one long and cutting each time it is inserted into the wood was easier for me. This gave me a small

pile to work from.

 

Put a few at a time next to where I am working so I don't have to hunt for them

 

Once I get a few more in and some sanding done will post some more pictures. So back to the shop while I have time.

 

Hopefully will not be as long between post next time.

[Rustyj]

Hi Pete,  Very nice on the treenails and marking them out.

[Paddy]

Hi Pete,

 

Like your technique for laying out and installing the short treenails. Love the marking gage modification. Have one in the locker for years and never use. It just may get the Pete38 mod.

 

Looking very good.   

Edited August 5, 2013 by Paddy

[Pete38]

Rusty and Paddy...thanks for looking in and the nice comments...

 

Was able to get the treenails done in the lower planks and 1 side sanded....

I am satisfied with they way they have turned out..think will look better once the clear coat "oil" is applied

 

 

Before moving on decided to fair the out side before to mush was in the way on the inside. Was a little worried about the way I decided to do this, but figured the worst

that could happen is that is falls apart and I start over.    But it held up really well  

 

Used my 5" orbital sander starting with a 40 gritt and moving up to a 220 gritt.

Done this outside using my porch railing and a old pillow

 

 

 

Once I got up to the 220 gritt I moved it to my leg for better control

 

 

So here is where it stands as of now

 

 

 

 

Have not yet decided on whether I will leave any of the framing exposed or plank the whole outside. Framing just doesn't look that good to me and I might just cover up the mess.

 

Time to look at the prints will be starting the lower deck framing next.

 

 

[Pete38]

Have a question for the group....

 

Would the shot locker that is in the TFFM books or the Echo Cross Section be suitable for the Triton Cross Section...

 

Not sure yet but since I am at the larger scale may put this into the the build also.......

 

Thanks

Edited August 5, 2013 by Pete38

[mtaylor]

Pete,

 

You had to ask....     Back in MSW 1.0, Chad did one where he added some frames, and did the lower part of the main mast and the shot locker.  As drawn, the answer is "no" since the cross-section doesn't cover that part of the hull.  I think what Chad did was to use the POF drawings and add some framing and other items needed.  The sad part is that I don't see Chad's build on MSW 2.0.

 

Matrim (Joss) as well as others  might have a copy of his log.  However, we can't post it to MSW due to copyright issues.  You might try posting a "plea" as it's own topic and see what others have.

[Pete38]

Mark

 

Thanks for the quick reply. I have most of Chad's build log printed out on paper from before the crash, that is where I had seen it and was curious. I will probably not add it as time constraints and learning curve 

{after all this x-section is intended to learn by} would be alot right now. It's hard enough for me just to get the hang of what here.

Thanks again

[aykutansin]

very nice working

[AntonyUK]

Hello Pete.

Hello Pete.

In your post above you put -:-

 

 

Have not yet decided on whether I will leave any of the framing exposed or plank the whole outside. Framing just doesn't look that good to me and I might just cover up the mess.

 

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I must disagree with you I think it looks just fine.

All I can say is that your level of perfection is much higher than mine.( meaning that in a nice way of course).

Keep going with it as you see best.

Exposing the construction of a ship is better than a completed hull. And pulls much more interest in the model.

 

Keep up the good work.

Antony