yancovitch Posted January 5, 2015 Share #1 Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) hi....this is not a real build log, but rather a once in awhile ''where i'm at build'' along with sharing some experiences along the way and seeking some advice..............hmmmmm....maybe that's a build log..... i wasn't going to bother posting on this forum since i couldn't come close to competing with the exceptional builds here of the confederacy, since i'm a 30% impatient-30% trial- and 30% error builder....and as i've discovered.....no....i can't change, no matter hard i try...even at my age.........but.....somehow the models come out looking ok......... so this is a ''don't do this at home'' kind of post....or bare my butt log........for example......i have the ship on my lap.....lean over to sand a plank on the belt sander, and gouge a chunk out of the the planking below the wales near the bow....ha!...and you know what, to top it off??...i panick!!.....and grab the sanding block and try to sand down the gouge, and of course i end up with paper thin planks.....so.....i have to cut out and replace maybe 5 planks at different lengths so they would blend in better and not stand out like a square patch.....and that wasn't easy....if i slipped and cut into a neighbouring plank, i'd have to cut that one out too.......so there.....this is the me i have to deal with, and i thought people here, wouldn't mind getting a laugh at this, or experience an i've done that too .........oh.....i oversanded a bit on another section too, but i just reinforced the back with 5 min epoxy instead of re-planking.....see how much fun this will be?....i have to say how nice that chuck designed so many bulkheads, which reduces this kind of thing from happening....for others, that is used swiss pear, which is a wonderful wood to work with, though it does have a bit of mottling in the grain, which is why i decided to use the rub on satin urethane instead of the tung oil, which i would have really prefered, but didn't use, as it would bring out the grain more......have only applied a quick rub on with urethane, to check apperance.....will use bass on the deck...... i purchased a few cannons from syrene ship model cause the ones in the kit were ...hmmmmm........ anyways, i'll mold and cast them, and paint the number required instead of purchasing all brass.....they do seem a bit slim though, and i wonder if the nozzle hole should be widened somewhat.......and of course, i found a better ships wheel...... anyways, until next time, and we'll see what other foibles i can come up with..... oh....i do have to say that this is a super kit, and so much fun!.....and so much work has gone into the plans and manual...never seen anything like it....and in english!!!...a first for me.......now i can find out what everything is called...ha!......cheers, vic Edited January 17, 2015 by yancovitch hexnut, AntiSpiral, CaptMorgan and 13 others 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted January 5, 2015 Share #2 Posted January 5, 2015 Looks like you're off to a fine start. That swiss pear looks fabulous. Keep us posted on your progress. Burroak 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted January 5, 2015 Share #3 Posted January 5, 2015 I agree with Augie! Looks just fine to me. I think you're being just a little too hard on yourself and you certainly shouldn't be embarrassed by posting a build log. It's one of those "we can learn from each other's mistakes. Cheers NMBROOK and Burroak 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 6, 2015 Share #4 Posted January 6, 2015 She looks wonderful Vic It is almost a shame to apply any colour,instead leaving everything Pear i.e.Belgian style.I agree with George,modesty is a good quality,but I think you are being far to hard on yourself.I would question anyone that claims they never make mistakes and some tasks take a number of attempts to get right. Kind Regards Nigel GLakie 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share #5 Posted January 6, 2015 thanks for the heads up.......hmmmm....if i don't beat myself ....nothin happens....nothin ..........inertia is my bigest hurdle........another hmmmmm.....no color wales etc......hmmmmm have to think about that one....... NMBROOK, qwerty2008, Burroak and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted January 6, 2015 Share #6 Posted January 6, 2015 Why not? A coat of natural stain would bring out the depth beautifully! GLakie 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyj Posted January 6, 2015 Share #7 Posted January 6, 2015 Hi Vic, She's looking very good. I'm glad you shared her with us. I also have to admit that most of the accidents and errors that you mention have been done multiple times by me so don't worry your in good company here! Burroak and GLakie 2 Quote Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted January 6, 2015 Share #8 Posted January 6, 2015 The pear is gorgeous! Burroak and GLakie 2 Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) yea rusty, but after maybe 20 models built......you think i might have learned something??? :D ......maybe now you see my problem :) .............but really, there's no problem anymore....now that i've accepted and embraced my limitations, i can just sit back and enjoy the build,.............................vic Edited January 6, 2015 by yancovitch GLakie, Burroak and qwerty2008 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share #10 Posted January 6, 2015 oh augie..me thinks i'll be sticking with the urethane satin, so i can't stain now, unless it's a stained urethane....i didn't oil because it would have come out too dark and all the grain would have been more exaggerated, which i was trying to avoid...on the wales etc i was thinking of a darker stained urethane instead of black but i don't know yet..... GLakie, augie, Burroak and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share #11 Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) oh, i just thought i'd add that what i wanted to do and didn't, is to epoxy or whatever the inside of the hull before sanding the planking, to avoid sanding too much where the ribs are, which in this case might not have been as important, since the ribs were quite close together. but if i had used the basswood, it might have been more effective.....is why i waited for installing the deck till after the planking............. also, i just had an idea after the fact..........before starting, since i noticed the pearwood had some variation in color and grain....i think now that it would have been a good idea to lay out all the planking, and applied a thin coat of rub on polyurethane, which would have shown all the variation in color etc, and made it easy to choose which planks to use where..........after planking, being so thin, it would be easily sanded off...and this is mainly for hardwood planking..i don't know how absorbent basswood would be.......................anyways....food for though for the next modeler who starts this project.......then again, maybe everyone does this Edited January 7, 2015 by yancovitch qwerty2008, Burroak and GLakie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted January 7, 2015 Share #12 Posted January 7, 2015 Actually, it's probably unnecessary but I do it anyway --- apply a coat of diluted epoxy to wherever I can reach on the inside of the planking prior to sanding the outside. Particularly on a single planked hull. It really adds to the stiffness of the hull. Rubbing alcohol makes a good diluent to make the epoxy easily brushable. Landlubber Mike, Rustyj and GLakie 3 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share #13 Posted January 7, 2015 hmmmm....didn't know about the alcohol....thanks... GLakie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share #14 Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) ha!...another boo boo.....realized i used 1/16 instead of 1/32 plank for the black strake, so i made a little tool to sand it down to 1/32.......had to cut the sanding sheet on the tool, a little narrower than the plank i was sanding, so i wouldn't sand into the wales............ by the way, mabe 20 or more years ago i purchased 1/2 doz. metal carbide sanding sheets from sandvik, which were unbelievable helpful....haven't seen them since, and i'm still using them.....didn't sell enough i guess............ hmmm....am amazed how well chuck designed the pieces for the stern galleries....considering the multitude of angles and shapes........somehow, i ended up building them a little higher than on the plans, another fubb.....guess i didn't get the sills in just the right place..an error yes, but in a way, it feels better visually......forgive me chuck:) really enjoying this kit fumbles or not........ Edited January 15, 2015 by yancovitch Rustyj, augie, JerryTodd and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted January 11, 2015 Share #15 Posted January 11, 2015 Very nice looking Confed. Ben GLakie 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share #16 Posted January 13, 2015 thanks trussben......it's starting to take shape in spite of my flubs ...feeling much more positive now...... GLakie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share #17 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) ok......still deciding whether or not to keep it natural, aside from the stern galleries........... lucked out on the inner bulwarks....everything fit reasonably well, aside from the fact i had to raise the quarter deck clamp near the stern too accommodate the slightly higher galleries used four pieces of thin laminated pearwood to make the cove oh....i made a scraper for the double cove out of a xacto blade...for the 1/16th square strips....but....on the roof of the quarter galleries, i think i will sand them down and re-scrape the shape......cause i think they're too deep in contrast with the etched brass.... i may try to apply some ca with a pin or whatever to the small flat ornaments and try to give them some dimension, or find some other way.......will see what happens.....cheers... Edited January 18, 2015 by yancovitch NMBROOK, Jack12477, JerryTodd and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share #18 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) well i figure i'll just end up painting it traditional....otherwise it just wouldn't look like the confed.....still waiting for some swiss pear from the lumberyard for the stem and rudder etc......they said it was too cold to go out to the shed to cut the logs.........amazing....way up here in burns lake bc, it's only hovering around 0,,,,,,hope i wasn't too dynamic with the red......and i hope the slightly raised stern isn't too offensive to chuck, and those highly qualified here, and hope it won't void the warranty......i hadn't planned to do it Edited January 19, 2015 by yancovitch UpstateNY, JerryTodd, yvesvidal and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted January 19, 2015 Share #19 Posted January 19, 2015 Red looks good. It always stands out at this point. After a while you'll forget it's even there. GLakie 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share #20 Posted January 21, 2015 ok we'll see if this works....applies gap ca via a dental etch syringe to give more depth.....will shrink, and will give another coat, mainly on the larger areas......maybe it will flake off ....we shall see...... Mirabell61, yvesvidal, Landlubber Mike and 11 others 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted January 21, 2015 Share #21 Posted January 21, 2015 That's an interesting idea! Hope it works out for you. GLakie 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted January 26, 2015 Share #22 Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Love the way this is looking, the pear looks very nice. Love the idea to build up the PE part, was looking for an idea to do this and you just gave it to me. Would you mind sharing how you get the CA glue into a dental syringe, and where do you get them? I'll be following you from here on out. Edited January 26, 2015 by Beef Wellington rdestefano01 and GLakie 2 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share #23 Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) omg....haha, i guess it was worth posting my fumblings here after all, if it even helped one person....oh, i think you could just use a piece of the nylon tubing that comes with the ca, or purchase it separately.....as long as it has a tiny opening......my wife just happens to work in a dental office..............just used vallejo model color yellow ochre, covered with a light coat of minwax ipswich pine stain......still have some finishing work to do on them, like opening some blocked holes.....i may loose a bit of detail, but not much.... how about another flub....first effort on tiled floor.....made them horizontal instead of 45 degrees......second effort....didn't notice that the bass strips i used, were a bit too fat...i scrapped that................... so i cut off the triangular ends of the first effort and used them to build up the main section in the right locations....somehow it worked ok, but if you look in a certain light, you'll see that the four corners reflect differently........but of course only i will know that Edited January 26, 2015 by yancovitch Jimz66, dvm27, Rustyj and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntiSpiral Posted January 26, 2015 Share #24 Posted January 26, 2015 lovely build yancovitch and lovely colours, nice to see a painted ship and new techniques too. GLakie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share #25 Posted January 26, 2015 very kind .... GLakie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted January 26, 2015 Share #26 Posted January 26, 2015 Floor looks GREAT! Jimz66 and GLakie 2 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share #27 Posted January 27, 2015 well it came out better than i thought it would GLakie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted January 27, 2015 Share #28 Posted January 27, 2015 Yep - good looking floor. ben GLakie 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share #29 Posted January 30, 2015 hmmmm....i picked up a few cannons from the syrene ship model co....and the nozzle hole is about 1mm in dia......is that about right, or should it be enlarged?............. GLakie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted January 30, 2015 Share #30 Posted January 30, 2015 Let's see what math says! Start with the diameter of the cannon balls: Then do math! Confederacy had 6lb and 12lb guns, and the scale is 1:64 (3/16" = 1'). Convert 1:64 to a decimal gives .015625 (1/64). 6lb = 3.49" diameter x .015625 = .0545" in diameter at scale = 1.384mm 12lb = 4.40" diameter x .015625 = .06875" in diameter at scale = 1.74625mm Landlubber Mike, mrshanks, UpstateNY and 3 others 6 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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